DSpite Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I do not think you know what it means either. Pay-to-win : Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. Warframe could be considered pay-to-win already, now that Primes, mods are monetized. However, as prime weapons aren't necessarily the best, it's just a pay of convenience at this moment. That is fine the way it is, but the line is thin and could be easily crossed. They also had the right idea to limit certain weapons with mastery level. Also it is fallacious thinking to associate competitive PVP with a pay-to-win system. They are both entirely different concepts that are not mutually inclusive. If you make the Prime Warframes better than their normal counterparts, you clearly are making this game Pay-to-win. The incentive for DE to make us spend platinums so we can be better will just increase. Just look at what they did with the helmets. People will pay good platinum for certain arcane helmets now. Finally, I have no idea what you are babbling about with your last sentence. One has nothing to do with the other. Stay on topic. Awww, that's so cute, you cut and pasted the definition from UrbanDictionary, posted by some random user 3 years ago: "Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. Dude, you've spent like 400 bucks on this game so you can beat everyone who hasn't spent any money. Pay-to-win noob! by Icupeverynite February 07, 2011" Maybe try something like this http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/08/13/separating-free-to-play-and-pay-to-win "Wargaming and CEO Victor Kislyi" ... "According to Kislyi, establishing a competitive game that is skill-based helps. If you’re knowledgeable about the game, you should be able to have a shot at winning, even against someone who has spent more money. It’s when the “wallet warriors” always win that causes other players to get frustrated and bail out." Even at it's most basic definitions I found, Pay2Win means that "you can not advance in the game if you don't hand over money". Not applicable here, at most we "pay for extra fun". No one in Warframe cares how many mods or cores or frames or guns you have. Even if you can buy a special frame for $1000, please, for the love of logic, explain to me what you are winning with your payment? I will get copies of any drops you generate, and If I became annoyed with you casting your "Kill Everything in 100m radius Instantly" skill, I'll drop out and go into another game, or ask DE nicely for a blocking tool that makes sure I don't get paired up with people in my block list that have no understanding of the word "fun". You can unbalance LoL or Call of Duty or even WoW or EVE Online with Pay2Win when your paid winning cause another person losses, either financially or time based, or experience based or item based if on a kill you can take their gear. Considering this game has zero consequences, your argument is incredibly broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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