Renegade343 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Actually logging software should catch everything, at least the ones I've worked with, since you can compare difference, which will tell you exactly what you changed between commits, and it should also tell you who specifically made that commit; also if you've added/changed, so much code that it would be hard to go through it all without making several (or at least one more) commit in between where things still worked...sorry but you're just making things harder for yourself (and by proxy everyone else in the project). Yes, it will tell what you changed, but you have to do something to fix it if it is a bug. Not the committing software. Committing software = Telling you what you changed, and allow you to revert to a savepoint to either recode or check. Committing software ≠ Fixing the bug itself. The coder must recode it himself/herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Actually logging software should catch everything, at least the ones I've worked with, since you can compare difference, which will tell you exactly what you changed between commits, and it should also tell you who specifically made that commit; also if you've added/changed, so much code that it would be hard to go through it all without making several (or at least one more) commit in between where things still worked...sorry but you're just making things harder for yourself (and by proxy everyone else in the project). thats not even possible for it to catch everything, logging software is a tool to help but it is in no way perfect and i would very much like to see your perfect god mode logging software that catches every bug every time. Problem is that your logging software is fantasy and doesnt exist. you can know what is changed but finding the issue is a different story. commit software tells you what changed not bugs, and logging software cannot catch everything, You have to find and fix the bugs yourself. Edited July 18, 2014 by Echoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONiMETSU_Z Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Not telling information is not lying, please stop trying to start arguments, we have enough doing that as is. There are thousands of things companies do not tell you, that in no way shape or form effect you. Not being told the patch is complete does not effect us in any way shape or form. Not telling us the patch won't be out until a day past it's announced time makes people stay up, wait, get cranky, spam forums, etc etc. PR and damage control, very basic things. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaniNyo Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I don't use Drones... if I did, I already have an extra one, because Founder. ANd if a new weapon DOES come out that actually interests me, that's above this rank, I'll pick up and use weapons I personally hate, or just don't generally like to get there. Well what I did to get to Rank 8 in about maybe a month was just getting every S#&$ weapon I knew I would never use, 30 them, toss em, rinse and repeat, because I know once I got weapons I wanted I would never get rid of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerZeyCJ Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Currently two thirty on my(and DE's) end. Getting kind of late. Guess I'll go watch another episode of Defiance, I'm behind anyway. See ya guys back in 45 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domaik Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I gotta admit this was pretty fun to watch...specially when the train finally takes off...it was funny XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shehriazad Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Trying to calm the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tendou_Souji Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 It is now 2:30am... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Trying to calm the community the bird one is funnier xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReizoRyuu Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) thats not even possible for it to catch everything, logging software is a tool to help but it is in no way perfect and i would very much like to see your perfect god mode logging software that catches every bug every time. Problem is that your logging software is fantasy and doesnt exist. you can know what is changed but finding the issue is a different story. commit software tells you what changed not bugs, and logging software cannot catch everything, You have to find and fix the bugs yourself. Where did I talk about it catching bugs? I said it catching exactly what's changed, and then you should read the second part of my post again. Yes, it will tell what you changed, but you have to do something to fix it if it is a bug. Not the committing software. Committing software = Telling you what you changed, and allow you to revert to a savepoint to either recode or check. Committing software ≠ Fixing the bug itself. The coder must recode it himself/herself. Same to you, reading really shouldn't be this hard. Edited July 18, 2014 by ReizoRyuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yes, it will tell what you changed, but you have to do something to fix it if it is a bug. Not the committing software. Committing software = Telling you what you changed, and allow you to revert to a savepoint to either recode or check. Committing software ≠ Fixing the bug itself. The coder must recode it himself/herself. beat me to part of my post after yours xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umashido Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 So ready to go to sleep, and yet, at the same time sooo used to staying up nights and working that I'm not really even bothered by the fact that it's already tomorrow. Huh, I wonder now if it is healthy that I can manage to stay up for a 20 hour day normally... It probably isn't but whatever, sleap is for the ded and the weak. I ish shtill going stroong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husbandry Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I hope they doesn't look all tired and sleepy next devstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Where did I talk about it catching bugs? I said it catching exactly what's changed, and then you should read the second part of my post again. i was very clearly talking about bugs, to which you responded Edit: second quote fail Q3Q ReizoRyuu Actually logging software should catch everything, at least the ones I've worked with Logging software is never ever perfect, and commit software still just says what changed, thats it. They arent just posting changes to github here dude. Its not just "hey look (posts commit)", their hold up isnt stuff not being implmented/not being there that needs to be committed, its bugs. Edited July 18, 2014 by Echoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectUmbra Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 those little things seems preety big, 2:30 hours of minor fixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Where did I talk about it catching bugs? I said it catching exactly what's changed, and then you should read the second part of my post again. Yes, we can check what we have changed. We all agree on that for committing software, but we use committing software to check for bugs, then we ourselves, with a keyboard and our brains, attempt to remove the bug. Actually logging software should catch everything, at least the ones I've worked with Not bugs such as wrong positioning, but correct logical placement of code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseal Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yes, we can check what we have changed. We all agree on that for committing software, but we use committing software to check for bugs, then we ourselves, with a keyboard and our brains, attempt to remove the bug. Not bugs such as wrong positioning, but correct logical placement of code. i failed a quoting his post T^T that wasnt my comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domaik Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Lol nice one XD don't be mean though guys they are working this late on having it released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerZeyCJ Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Update update: 1:43 AM EDT Update: We've got info that the build will come in at around 850 MB of content, so if you have any bandwidth heavy things that you were considering doing while getting the Update, you know have an idea of the scope of the Update coming your way. Hopefully this helps make any internet habit adjustments for your evening/morning! We're getting quite close, with several confirmed fixes, so hopefully soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katakuna Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I hope they doesn't look all tired and sleepy next devstream. Maybe they'll each bring a nice, fluffy pillow to the stream and the running gag will be they can't answer any questions very well because they're half asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzodia Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Update update: You're an hour late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osheroth Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 2:00a.m GMT -5 will be my limit, unfortunately I gotta get ready for university in, about 4 hours :C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReizoRyuu Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 it doesnt matter, logging software of any kind can not in any way catch everything and doesnt point you always to exactly where the issue is. TL:DR you may know what commit caused it, but that doesnt mean you know what in the commit did and fixing it takes time i was very clearly talking about bugs, to which you responded Edit: second quote fail Q3Q ReizoRyuu Actually logging software should catch everything, at least the ones I've worked with You weren't very clearly talking about bugs, and in your TL;DR you even say exactly what I said, you may know know exactly what commit causes it, because the logger catches any and all changes. But if you want to go that route, I was very clearly talking about commits and loggers and not compilers and debuggers, which you somehow still brought up. Yes, we can check what we have changed. We all agree on that for committing software, but we use committing software to check for bugs, then we ourselves, with a keyboard and our brains, attempt to remove the bug. Not bugs such as wrong positioning, but correct logical placement of code. Uhh you still haven't read the second part of the post you quoted have you? Ofcourse bugs don't fix themselves, I never argued they did. In fact I positioned that if a bug pop up someone broke it (ergo someone has to fix it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSpax Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 They may cancel it. After some hours you start to get hangover-like thoughts. I already are at some kind of limit. Being 24 hours awake is terrible, I have that a lot lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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