What Warframe Do You Think Is The Weakest/least Viable?

[Vizsla]

let me know which war frames you guys think are weak and not quite as viable as some other warframes!

[The-Ancient]

I think she might be one of the slowest frames in the game, though.

Rhino without Arcane helmet/Rush heard ya.

[Czarok]

I'd say Excalibur and Hydroid. I can't think of anything they do that other frames don't do much better.

[thececilmaster]

I'd say Excalibur and Hydroid. I can't think of anything they do that other frames don't do much better.

I agree with Hydroid, but no-one can top Excalibur in being the Warframe Mascot.

[(PSN)JCrimble88]

Mag all she has is sheild polerize and her ult dmg can fall off late game yea pulls good but makes it harder to ahoot enemies

Ahem* Pull

All of them shine differently

[(PSN)Bobtm0]

Going back in time a while ago and I'd have said Ash without any hesitation because his kit just didn't do anything good.  Now he's got damage in droves though and doesn't take a month and a half to actually do something interesting.  While I still don't like Ash, he's very much viable.

 

Currently speaking I'm torn between a few frames on this thought;  Ember, Frost, Oberon, Nekros. and Ash (contradictory of me I know).

 

This isn't to say that any of those frames aren't vialbe, or that they're bad mind you as each can handle pretty much any mission should the player be competent.  However when one removes player input from the equation and looks solely at what these frames' kits can actively achieve through the use of their innate traits.  Both Ember and Ash shine when it comes to simply providing raw damage, whilst Oberon gets an honorable mention in that area.  Thing is that, as we all know, damage just flat out doesn't scale so it's an innate and ever encroaching limiter on their role's use as one moves into the endless game modes.

 

Basically the key component that all of these frames share is a noticeable lack of efficient/reliable CC options either through the form of a soft or hard CC.  While it's totally possible to play every non-endless mode without CC and to go into the near 40 minute mark of an endless mode without it, CC is thing that will always make such a thing easier however.  Additionally, not having a solid form of either enemy agro manipulation or some other wide area defense makes high wave Defense missions unnecessarily more difficult to accomplish.

[KairaSilvermist]

*SNIP*

 

Saryn

Similar to oberon in that regard, although she's at least tanky, can be fast with helmet and mods, and isn't bad as Ult spammer in lower level missions where its damage is still able to kill things. This, of course, is before you forma the hell out of her to build her around just the Ult, which isn't the way frames should be designed (by DE) in the first place.

 

 

I built my Saryn around utilizing her 1 and 2 over anything else, as the viral proc on 1 is great at *ALL* levels of gameplay, and her 2 can keep her alive. Her 3 I reserve if I've need of some toxin damage on one or two swings of my melee weapon, but for the most part, her 1 is where she shines, at all levels of play, except perhaps Corpus, and that's what Cernos is good for.

 

 

Unrelated to that, personally, I find the Average Rhino player the least viable. I say AVERAGE, because rarely do I find a Rhino that realizes "Oh, hey, I can roar to help my buddies out". I can count, on my big toes alone, how many Rhinos I have personally seen Roar, ever. I'm not going to count one per each TIME they've roared, but yeah.

 

I do notice that whenever I see Oberon or Hydroid, it's always in a mission type that they're doing excellent in. Did a T3 Defense a few days ago, me as Saryn, there was an Oberon, a Hydroid, and one of my friends, who has a max duration Rhino Prime. Opened with Roar and Hydroid dropped a bunch of tentacles on one section, and we managed to get to wave 50 without anyone using Penta, Ogris, Boltor Prime, Soma, Marelok, or any Nikana.

 

Really, it's a matter of how well one plays with each frame, their equipment setup, and how they've kitted out their abilities. I run around with a late game Saryn using Phage and her 1 to do massive VIral Procs everywhere, cutting HP, and killing a lot of things very fast. Except infested and your average robot,m but that's why I have Magnetic installed in Phage >:)

[RoboDoge]

Team wise? Oberon, Ash and Valkyr.

 

 

For casual gameplay everything works.

[Aesthetic_Dialectic]

Id say it's either Banshee, Oberon, or Hydroid.

Hydroid can lock down an entire area. His CC is pretty damn great.

[Niennah]

Ash

Shuriken damage is pretty useless (this and other claims about damage are from perspective of having a fully formaed Boltor Prime that deals 1000+ damage per shot before multishot);

Invis' AoE stagger is nice, but so far as duration builds it's still less effective than Loki;

TP is marginally useful, but not very much so in a game where there are constantly tons of targets to attack;

Ult is better after recent buff, but its damage stops to matter after a while, so it's only useful if you're having fun in low-level infested missions (slash damage and all). That said, just spamming ult in low-lag missions is one of greatest joys of this game. ;)

I would like to note that Ash's Ult is not slash, but finisher damage type. As such, it ignores armor, and so does the 100% bleed proc from it. As much as I dislike Ash in general, he's the only frame that can solo Neptune grineer survivor to 40+ min with no weapons, no forma and no effort whatsoever.

[Ignaesia]

There are no bad frames, only bad players.

 

Categorically wrong. Some frames are not as equal as others

[LostCody]

There are no bad frames, only bad players.

your right,there are no bad frames and everyone one of them can do whatever mission.

but sadly this is not a vacuum and we have frames that are not as viable as others at certain things.

not too say there bad,cause there not.

 

why bring a banshee when you can bring a nova who does her job better?

why bring hydroid for cc when nyx can cc better and her skills don't have a drop off point.

those are some cherry picked examples but there still examples of situations that happen with any class based game and too say it's only the player that makes frames or classes not as good as others is a lie.this is not a sport with real people and real multiple ranging factors,this is a game about numbers and numbers until changed don't lie.there is a reason people say vauban for odd,or want a nova for high waves over a banshee.

not too say banshee can't do high waves or vauban can't do anything other then odd,cause they can.

 

there are no bad frames,only just comparatively.

[Tulzscha]

Moved to the proper section.

[creeperZface]

noobscalipoor

[Siekier]

noobscalipoor

Have you actually ever used Excal? I guess you didn't.

 

He's one of the best CC frames. I'd say he grants better survivability than Rhino because Iron Skin is getting torn apart very easily.

And enemies won't damage you when blinded, unless you stay in the same spot forever.

[bbgurl]

I kind of have to say Ember, because the world on fire kind of sucks, and her ring of fire being worst than a snow globe, but her fire ball and accelerant is ok. If you want to get her and acually do damage, put on a Ignis and Heat swords and combin that with accelerent. Ring of Fire, World on Fire, and fireball are unessisary

[(PSN)ShadowDancing-]

I'm going to answer a different question instead which is "which frames were the least fun":

Ash, Hydroid, Nekros, Banshee, Zephyr.

Contrary to previous posters, Mag, Ember, Saryn, Loki, and Excal are all fun and devastating in the right circumstances. Mag is an easy beginner frame and can spam pull. She is goddess against corpus and can out kill Nova and Rhino there. Ember is possibly the best invasion grind speed running frame. And you're going to need to run a lot of eyeball bleeding stupid invasion missions. She can outkill Nova and Rhino on speed runs at those levels. Loki is awesome for speed solo'ing any non-defense mission. Excal has radial blind which is one of the best cc in the game. Saryn has Miasma which kicks &#!. Sayrn and Excal are mostly one trick ponies, though. Of the not-least-fun frames, they are towards the bottom of my play list.

There is definitely an more generally powerful set of frames, and a "more specialized circumstances" set. Rhino, Nova, Nyx are all towards the top of "anywhere anytime any level" frames.

[GStonez]

All Warframes are viable in their own way. It is the user that determines whether or not the Warframe can shine. 

^^ No one could say it better and warframes get buffs for a reason

[Yazeth]

he falls apart when asked to "tank" something. 

 

I consider Ash to be an "evasive tank". Ash can take some aggro of enemies by getting close to them. I find this to be true when Bladestorm is activated. Even though you are invincible, enemies will still try to attack you, reducing incoming dmg to allies. It's not the best for defense, but seems to work in Survivals. This is probably why Ash is great when it comes to close-quarter combat.

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

Weakest = Nekros.

 

Least Viable = Oberon.

 

There are certainly power tiers depending on what the mission type is but both of these frames need to be rebalanced.

[creeperZface]

Have you actually ever used Excal? I guess you didn't.

 

He's one of the best CC frames. I'd say he grants better survivability than Rhino because Iron Skin is getting torn apart very easily.

And enemies won't damage you when blinded, unless you stay in the same spot forever.

yep. he was my starter. i sold him asap. i got him back recently. wasnt worth the resources and my time. i maxed him and built him. it wasnt worth it to use 50 enegery to stop some enemys shooting you when u can stop every enemy from shooting you with broki

[Kinxil]

The big shortcut to answer the question is saying : the more the Warframe is damage based, the least he's good. Ember is damage based and can... Bash Saturn Survival ? Saryn is damage based, and do barely better. I just have to see a Banshee. Never saw one at all. Despite having a TERRIBLE ultimate to me, as a Trinity player I found some interesting posibilities with Sonic Boom and Sonar (I'm pretty sure this ability NEED a decent team to be awesome. I mean, I never saw a 500% multiplier on any mod/warframe).

 

As "weak" warframes, my third one will likely be Saryn (BOOBZ. Well kidding, love poison. Better ?) or Banshee. I love to challenge myself with low tiers game components and I got misleaded so bad when someone said me Trinity (my first warframe) trully lack of damage (k, well just overpowered anyway with perma full health and energy and 75% damage reductionz; just rolling my head on keyboard and have most of the time highest total damages). I've to try Frost as I'm building the Prime one, to see how he's "weak".

[Yazeth]

All frames are good in their own way, but some do better than others in certain situations.

 

Here's to address some issues with some frames:

Banshee: Best for stealth play (must be NOT reliant on invisibility, so good ol' traditional stealth) by providing bonus dmg for guns and silences noise.

Oberon: Good at everything, but not the best at anything.

Hydroid: Best modded for CC. Similar to Vauban, but sacrifices Max Power for a bit of tankiness.

Mag: Provides support w/ Shield Polarize and Bullet Attractor and CC w/ Pull.

 

EDIT: 

Ember: Heat makes her more oriented towards Infested, but an Accelerant build can be put on her, making her viable against all factions.

Saryn: Corrosive, Toxin, and Viral dmg makes her good against Grineer. Miasma can be a good instant dmg dealer and stun when using Fleeting Expertise. Venom and Molt also provide a bit of DoT.

Edited July 14, 2014 by Yazeth

[StealthHawk2024]

Mag all she has is sheild polerize and her ult dmg can fall off late game yea pulls good but makes it harder to ahoot enemies

lies

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

Yeah, Mag is horrid as one of the few frames that can scale infinitely. [/sarcasm]  Against Corpus, Mag is the most dominant frame in the entire game.

 

EDIT:  I will admit that Crush needs to be rebalanced but that does not make Mag weak, only Crush.

Edited July 14, 2014 by (PS4)Hiero_Glyph

[Omni_Omega]

As much as I love him, sadly I've begun to see why Oberon is getting a rework. It's just that, nothing he can do is anything that can't be outdone by someone else. His damage and healing are nice, but other frames are better specialized for those things. A frame with sort of a "Jack-of-all-trades" mentality just seems to be a bit out of place in this game.

 

It hurts me to even say this though. *weeps* NOT MY KING OF THE FAIRIES.