vaugahn Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Alright, if you can point me to any proper lore. Which tells us that both factions mass produce like that... We didn't even know how fast the infested spread. Until salad comes and snips some fingers. Go ahead and read the faction bios for grinder and corpus on the home page.Here's the grineer one: "Vast in numbers, the Grineer have expanded their vile empire from Earth outward to all sectors of the solar system. Once the Grineer rediscovered cloning technology, they seized control of Earth through sheer numbers." And the corpus one: "The Corpus are a dominating proto-corporation of humans that maintain and operate the trade routes of the Solar Rails. They are rarely seen by others and are better known for the robot proxies that serve for them." Edited July 14, 2014 by vaugahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSlayer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Just read the Grineer lore on the Wiki, their soldiers are mass produced clones. The Corpus lore on the Wiki states that their vast industry produces limitless robots and numberless fleets. The Technocyte virus dates back to Earth's Cold War, if you look at the game Dark Sector, and through breeding hives and contagion produces itself in vast numbers. The lore is all right there. Show me the numbers/speed of it. If they "mass produce" 5 units a day cloning an army still takes time. DE relates sources. Breeding hives is a special occasion, where alad had his fingers mingling with the infested. Edit: since you want to use the homepage: Regardless of their future, the Tenno stand united against a common foe, loyal only to each other. Stand united? Loyal to each other? ---- Dark sector/Rails common foe? ---- siding with grineer or corpus Edited July 14, 2014 by SirSlayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagoros Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Show me the numbers/speed of it. If they "mass produce" 5 units a day cloning an army still takes time. Also please ingame sources. Breeding hives is a special occasion, where alad had his fingers mingling with the infested. Are you freaking serious?! 5 units a day? The in-game, and on-site info says 'vast in numbers.' Do you have no concept of what industrial mass production looks like or is capable of? Present day earth has seen armies rise and fall to the order of tens of millions of soldiers at a time. Present-day industry is capable of producing and equipping countless millions of soldiers. Now extrapolate that thousands of years into the future, and imagine, for a moment, the limitless possibilities. The grineer, according to the lore, basically have biological 'factories' that produce soldiers on cloning assembly lines. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. Numbers mean nothing to them. They are a vast. As for the Technocyte virus... it spreads like a virus...I'm not going to pretend I can explain that any other way... Edited July 14, 2014 by Hexagoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphafox Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Show me the numbers/speed of it. If they "mass produce" 5 units a day cloning an army still takes time. DE relates sources. Breeding hives is a special occasion, where alad had his fingers mingling with the infested. Edit: since you want to use the homepage: If it was 5 unit a day it would not be called mass production. Edited July 14, 2014 by Alphafox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bejuizb Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Stop crying about lore. There was almost none ot begin with. Well then, stop crying about endgame. There isn't much there either. See your logic? Just because something isn't available to us doesn't mean we can't talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSlayer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Well then, stop crying about endgame. There isn't much there either. See your logic? Just because something isn't available to us doesn't mean we can't talk about it. I'm not crying about engdame either. That is another can of wyrms though. Sure you can talk about it. Sorry for pointing out how loosely handled the plot thread is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Show me the numbers/speed of it. If they "mass produce" 5 units a day cloning an army still takes time. DE relates sources. Breeding hives is a special occasion, where alad had his fingers mingling with the infested. Have you seen the in-game statistics about how many lancers have been killed in the past year? If we assume those numbers are canon-correct then the grineer have a military numbering in the tens of trillions, not counting any non-combatants we haven't seen yet. Also, not really sure I want to know exactly what Alad V is doing with his fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSlayer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Are you freaking serious?! 5 units a day? The in-game, and on-site info says 'vast in numbers.' Well... that was an obvious exaggeration. I get your point entirely. It's just that millions isn't "a few" imho. Feel free to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSlayer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Have you seen the in-game statistics about how many lancers have been killed in the past year? If we assume those numbers are canon-correct then the grineer have a military numbering in the tens of trillions, not counting any non-combatants we haven't seen yet. Also, not really sure I want to know exactly what Alad V is doing with his fingers. Alright, I guess we have several million bosses cloned at hand and ready to be shot down aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagoros Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Well... that was an obvious exaggeration. I get your point entirely. It's just that millions isn't "a few" imho. Feel free to disagree. So the concept of comparative analysis escapes you? No, 7 million taken by itself is not 'few in number.' But when you are comparing that same 7 million to separate groups of trillions...? Alright, I guess we have several million bosses cloned at hand and ready to be shot down aswell. Then why are you assuming their are millions of Tenno? That number is taken from the same fact sheet. Edited July 14, 2014 by Hexagoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Alright, I guess we have several million bosses cloned at hand and ready to be shot down aswell. Well if you want to go there I can name you hundreds of other games with respawing bosses. Do those games have "loosely handled" stories as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSlayer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Then why are you assuming their are millions of Tenno? That number is taken from the same fact sheet. Touché. Every tenno is basically playing the same "storyline", it's a game afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSlayer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Well if you want to go there I can name you hundreds of other games with respawing bosses. Do those games have "loosely handled" stories as well? That depends entirely on that game.... you didn't present an argument here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinDevil Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I still don't see how PvP breaks lore. Clans have always tested each other's strengths throughout time. I know this sounds pretty crazy but imagine if clans fought each other because...it was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) That depends entirely on that game.... you didn't present an argument here.Yeah, I did. You're mistaking a gameplay conceit for lore. In the lore, we know that the grineer have zillions of dudes who swarm everywhere, but there's only one sargas ruk. In gameplay we have the same amount of dudes, but sargas ruk can respawn for gameplay reasons.You know, it wouldn't hurt to admit you were wrong. It happens to the best of us! Edited July 14, 2014 by vaugahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Yeah, I did. You're mistaking a gameplay conceit for lore. In the lore, we know that the grineer have zillions of dudes who swarm everywhere, but there's only one sargas ruk. In gameplay we have the same amount of dudes, but sargas ruk can respawn for gameplay reasons. You know, it wouldn't hurt to admit you were wrong. It happens to the best of us! I am pretty sure the only things involving the bosses that count as "lore" are released in videos. Well maybe until the new Hek battle where he clearly has an escape plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderius Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Stop worrying about Lore so much. It can be established at a later time. As it stands now, Infested de-activate life support on you, and enemies politely wait for you to kill their last friend before engaging another wave in defense missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphafox Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Stop worrying about Lore so much. It can be established at a later time. As it stands now, Infested de-activate life support on you, and enemies politely wait for you to kill their last friend before engaging another wave in defense missions. You have to make a differemce between game functionality,AI and Lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) lore is probably they wish to maintain balance among themself? :P i love it.... XD seriously it's only fair to bring balance among ourself Edited July 14, 2014 by Tsoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 i just hope we can maintain the free rails on pluto(PC) after the update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) i love it.... XD seriously it's only fair to bring balance among ourself well thats how they justify everything else isnt it? :P i mean the individual clans can probably also become to powerful edit: sorry for double post :D Edited July 14, 2014 by khazlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserk- Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) The Tenno murdered their leaders bringing about a second Dark age and jeopardized the very survival of the human race. We are hardly the good guys and a little above a smart bomb That act of treason against the Orokin shows that Tenno have free will, and like anything with Free will they have the power to choose, Intelligently or less so. Without the Lotus, an Awaken Tenno would be little more than a super powered mercenary. The Lotus knows this and does her best to steer our blood lust towards enemies that deserve it, but like any soldier that lacks Loyalty the highest bidder always wins, Grineer, Corpus, or Eclipse. *Edit: A Word. Edited July 15, 2014 by ChubbyWarhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknow99 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Think it's time to just forget about Lore. Hip hop hooray to Vor bobble heads in a Tenno ship. Hayyy... Hoooo... Hayyy... Hoooo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurrumitsumi Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I fear this is one such situation where lore is secondary to adding in new game mechanics. It happened before with conclaves, invasions, and solar rails, it's happening with this new pvp mode, and it will probably happen in the future as well. As it stands, the lore should indicate something along the lines of: "The Tenno have a long standing history of self-destructive practices most commonly involving killing each other and using their power to attain material wealth that continues to this day." since tenno are allowed to branch off under there own banner under lotus and take solar rails it only make sence that when a group of tenno become too powerful other tenno "restore the balance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 /prefer to wait for new faction to emerge before trying it out... not in the mood to fight Rhinos, Trinitys and Valkyrs all day lawng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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