Ember Overheat = Loki Invisibility... Ember Without Overheat Is Loki Without Invisibility

[xXHunterzzzXx]

Quietcanary best post..Lets take even such frames as Nova,and Rhino. Nova is meant to be a glass cannon,and as wee see all her abilities do damage in distance(1 skill doesnt do it is more of a defensive) Rhino is omg dont understand why people cant see him OP he has mobility,damage,AoE,Defence and no drawbacks..The only thing people say is damage but lol..My friend took rhino on t4 defence 60mins he casted 3 skill ,and we were just melting through lvl 85

[xXHunterzzzXx]

Something to make the enemies feel a bit more challenging than what it is right now when Loki uses his Radial Disarm, just so that it actually rewards player creativity and tactical thought.

That challange is in late game when this skill is actually bad to cast) Because enemies just go all in on you with thise stick and obe hit you) Late game it is actually better no to cast it.For example t4 defence 60 mins with a frost) They just @(*()$ go inside globe in horde and its a total death

[OrphanMaker]

If you know that ,then you wouldnt be arguing with Liacu..

Because he started arguing with me for no reason.

[quietcanary]

Yes she even cant survive,like banshee and other glass cannons.. Thats why half of warframe are rhino noobs which stomp..)

You mean like nova, nyx, mag or maybe volt and nekros if your being broad? Tell me again which of them doesn't have some almost OP skill to save themselves or in turn is considered in need of a buff? Now tell me exactly what skill ember has that even comes close. Iv already said how useful i believe using accelerant as cc is....

[Renegade343]

That challange is in late game when this skill is actually bad to cast) Because enemies just go all in on you with thise stick and obe hit you) Late game it is actually better no to cast it.For example t4 defence 60 mins with a frost) They just @(*()$ go inside globe in horde and its a total death

You still remove their main damage tool. My solution for this is below:

 

Link: 

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/236973-some-suggestions-to-improve-gameplay-edit-25-defence-mission-immersion/ (see EDIT 11)

[OrphanMaker]

That challange is in late game when this skill is actually bad to cast) Because enemies just go all in on you with thise stick and obe hit you) Late game it is actually better no to cast it.For example t4 defence 60 mins with a frost) They just @(*()$ go inside globe in horde and its a total death

Lol so true! That are dangerous with does provas at that stage! XD

Edited July 17, 2014 by OrphanMaker

[Renegade343]

Lol so true! That are dangerous with does provas at that stage! XD

Really? 

 

I swear I have never died by that, even in high-level missions. 

[xXHunterzzzXx]

You mean like nova, nyx, mag or maybe volt and nekros if your being broad? Tell me again which of them doesn't have some almost OP skill to save themselves or in turn is considered in need of a buff? Now tell me exactly what skill ember has that even comes close. Iv already said how useful i believe using accelerant as cc is....

Yeah sure)One of the most complete OP skills i think is Iron skin ,and Stomp really this is beast combo in every stage) Another i think really not completely good skill is Nyx absorb (i like it dont want nerf :D) Almost every top records ,and every big stages cant be passed without nyx chaos ,or Absorbs damage) Absorb doesnt have damage limits while other skills have it. What i think about ember really you might understand me wrong but at the moment she is one of thos S#&$ frames really.. I play her since the release and she was cool frame ,because she had survivability..At the moment what i see is she doesnt have damage, or defence like others have...If compared even to other glass cannon as nova, she just looses in every single way..Nova has mobility,had damage,has speed,has a team damage buff and a enemy slow.what has ember? no late game damage,no defence,no mobility,not much speed..The only she has is a two second stun(by the way it is a rng stun it can be one second,might be two,or three) And a ult which has a tiny percent to stun.. EDIT: Nova is good because her ult just melts everyone in second, while Ember needs time to kill everyone. Edited July 17, 2014 by xXHunterzzzXx

[xXHunterzzzXx]

Lol so true! That are dangerous with does provas at that stage! XD

Prova OP NERF NERF XDDD

[xXHunterzzzXx]

You still remove their main damage tool. My solution for this is below:

 

Link: 

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/236973-some-suggestions-to-improve-gameplay-edit-25-defence-mission-immersion/ (see EDIT 11)

Read it :D and was laughing while reading :D I cant imagine a loki player for 0,5 seconds take more then ten weapons from enemy xD

[Renegade343]

Read it :D and was laughing while reading :D I cant imagine a loki player for 0,5 seconds take more then ten weapons from enemy xD

It is from the enemies themselves. They bring the melee weapons with them. Loki just steals/jams the guns.

[xXHunterzzzXx]

It is from the enemies themselves. They bring the melee weapons with them. Loki just steals/jams the guns.

But his ult does it now it jams the weapons:D i cant understand what you trying to say

[Renegade343]

But his ult does it now it jams the weapons:D i cant understand what you trying to say

I am trying to decipher what you are trying to say as well. That response was the best I came up with to respond to your response to my suggestion. 

[Naftal]

Your low down and dirty.

 Your not on my level and do not deserve to wear that Loki avatar. Finished with you imposter, Volt starter!

Can't read this BS thread after this post. OP clearly is arrogant and thinks he's better than he actually is...

 

You're the one not deserving to use that avatar boy.

 

"Loki's radial disarm is okay but he still needs invisibility to survive." What BS?

[Monolake]

lol  

Loki Without Invisibility is still a tonn better than Ember Without or WITH Overheat

[xXHunterzzzXx]

Ember BUFF

[xXHunterzzzXx]

I am trying to decipher what you are trying to say as well. That response was the best I came up with to respond to your response to my suggestion. 

"YOU BRAIN WASHED ME O_O"

[Renegade343]

"YOU BRAIN WASHED ME O_O"

Then again, I think I got what you meant. 

 

What you mean to say is: The stun time is too little. 

 

Is that right?

[xXHunterzzzXx]

Then again, I think I got what you meant. 

 

What you mean to say is: The stun time is too little. 

 

Is that right?

The stun time is too little yes, and she is meant to be a glass cannon so a little buff to damage and defence should be fine)

[Renegade343]

The stun time is too little yes, and she is meant to be a glass cannon so a little buff to damage and defence should be fine)

What about all the enemies pulling out different melee weapons and start attacking their enemies?

[xXHunterzzzXx]

What about all the enemies pulling out different melee weapons and start attacking their enemies?

Dont understand you point O_O We are taling about ember and you start talking about Loki ult+Nyx Chaos

[Renegade343]

Dont understand you point O_O We are taling about ember and you start talking about Loki ult+Nyx Chaos

Wait. I never said anything about Nyx's Chaos (their enemies = players). What I was asking in that statement is if you like the enemies pulling out different melee weapons based on faction/role when Loki casts Radial Disarm to attack the players.

 

And this started when someone said Loki's Radial Disarm is somewhat useless, so at least there is that. 

 

And Fire Blast does need a bit of a rework. Give me some time to think about it.

[4nonblonds]

ohhhhhh boy 

 

Bwt Accelerant is very useful ===== stun+more dmg

[xXHunterzzzXx]

Wait. I never said anything about Nyx's Chaos (their enemies = players). What I was asking in that statement is if you like the enemies pulling out different melee weapons based on faction/role when Loki casts Radial Disarm to attack the players.

 

And this started when someone said Loki's Radial Disarm is somewhat useless, so at least there is that. 

 

And Fire Blast does need a bit of a rework. Give me some time to think about it.

Yeah i like it ))) FIRBLAST REWORK ^^ somebody was saying in thread about making a pool of lava :D

[Renegade343]

Yeah i like it ))) FIRBLAST REWORK ^^ somebody was saying in thread about making a pool of lava :D

Lava would probably be for a male 'Ember'. 

 

I was thinking something about superheated air (like the firestorms in forest fires).