Heavy Pistols: The Good And The Bad (For Those Who Don't Know)

[TheStag]

The main heavy pistols in Warframe are the Kraken, Lex, Lex Prime, and Seer. Seer and Kraken are both frowed upon by the majority of the community, and the Lex has a very slow, undesirable fire rate. The Lex Prime is usually thought to be the only viable heavy pistol, but this is incorrect. This information should help players make better decisions on which heavy pistol is best for them. I do not recommend the Aklex, due to the fact that it is solely against the main purpose of the Lex, being a sniper pistol. That is why I do not have the Aklex here.

 

 

 

The Lex is basically a sniper pistol, with great accuracy, fairly high damage, but a very slow fire rate.

The Lex's physical damage output unmodded is 70, with the most damage being piercing.

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The Kraken is a Grineer heavy pistol, said to be vauled by marksman for its accuracy. The Kraken fires a two shot burst, but it has insanely high recoil making the second shot miss targets even at mid-rage if aiming for the head for neck.

The Kraken deals 84 physical damage per burst (2 shots), and is highest in impact damage. The Kraken is usually frowned upon the most, but sacrificing some DPS for Steady Hands makes the Kraken much better than usually given credit for.

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The Seer is Captain Vor's Orokin-Grineer hybrid pistol, which has a fair fire rate, good damage, and a high zoom. However, the Seer's projectiles have travel time. If you can lead your shots, the Seer is a great upgrade to the Lex damage-wise.

The Seer has 84.9 physical damage, and the damage is completely balanced throughout all types of damage, making it useful against all factions. The Seer is a great weapon, and if time is invested into it, it can become a very powerful sidearm.

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The Lex Prime is the Prime version of the Lex, obviously. It has very noticeable upgrades in fire rate and damage output.

The Lex Prime, like the Lex, deals mostly piercing damage. It deals 85 physical damage, barely beating out the Seer for highest physical damage. The Lex Prime also has great critical capabilities.

 

I hope this helps you decide which heavy pistol is best for you. The Seer is my favorite.

 

 

 

 

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I'm tied between all of them, they're all so great.

[Un1337ninj4]

You forgot the Aklex, which is actually better then all of the above imho.

 

Fire rate is completely compensated while still having a higher mag capacity over the Prime. 

Edited July 17, 2014 by Un1337ninj4

[TheStag]

I'm tied between all of them, they're all so great.

I would agree. I loved the Lex when I first started Warframe, the Seer is my favorite (just by a bit), the Lex Prime is obviously awesome, and the Kraken with a Steady Hands is much better than people give it credit for.

[TheStag]

You forgot the Aklex, which is actually better then all of the above imho.

If you read the thread, you would know why I forgot the Aklex.

[-Hemorrhage-]

I'm just waiting till AkLex Prime.

[TheArchAngel]

between all of them, I personally like the Lex Prime, heck I bring it out most of the time now, since I like the feel of it, plus with some fire rate/reload mod it actually does pretty well, at least in my opinion

[Rajko]

For a long time I used the Kraken, and loved it well. I still think its a nice pistol, but i need to forma again to really discover its ultimate power.

[Romalic]

the kraken back when we didnt have all the more powerful weapons we do now was my go to gun, it doesnt have insane recoil, it has a very consistant recoil that once you get used to can make every shot be a body and headshot, once you learn to adapt then its a very good gun, its just that the marelok now is everything the kraken is and so much more, the lex isnt very slow once you put lethal torrent on, gives multi and fire rate increase, making the slow fire rate a non issue, and experience has told me that while the seer seems balanaced, its lack of crit, at all, and its low status mean that its damage leaves it in the dust compared to almost everything else

[TisForTat]

You forgot the Aklex, which is actually better then all of the above imho.

 

Fire rate is completely compensated while still having a higher mag capacity over the Prime. 

 

Not when you factor reloading. Aklex Prime should be interesting to see though.

 

The main heavy pistols in Warframe are the Kraken, Lex, Lex Prime, and Seer. Seer and Kraken are both frowed upon by the majority of the community, and the Lex has a very slow, undesirable fire rate. The Lex Prime is usually thought to be the only viable heavy pistol, but this is incorrect. This information should help players make better decisions on which heavy pistol is best for them. I do not recommend the Aklex, due to the fact that it is solely against the main purpose of the Lex, being a sniper pistol. That is why I do not have the Aklex here.

 

 

 

The Lex is basically a sniper pistol, with great accuracy, fairly high damage, but a very slow fire rate.

The Lex's physical damage output unmodded is 70, with the most damage being piercing.

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The Kraken is a Grineer heavy pistol, said to be vauled by marksman for its accuracy. The Kraken fires a two shot burst, but it has insanely high recoil making the second shot miss targets even at mid-rage if aiming for the head for neck.

The Kraken deals 84 physical damage per burst (2 shots), and is highest in impact damage. The Kraken is usually frowned upon the most, but sacrificing some DPS for Steady Hands makes the Kraken much better than usually given credit for.

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The Seer is Captain Vor's Orokin-Grineer hybrid pistol, which has a fair fire rate, good damage, and a high zoom. However, the Seer's projectiles have travel time. If you can lead your shots, the Seer is a great upgrade to the Lex damage-wise.

The Seer has 84.9 physical damage, and the damage is completely balanced throughout all types of damage, making it useful against all factions. The Seer is a great weapon, and if time is invested into it, it can become a very powerful sidearm.

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The Lex Prime is the Prime version of the Lex, obviously. It has very noticeable upgrades in fire rate and damage output.

The Lex Prime, like the Lex, deals mostly piercing damage. It deals 85 physical damage, barely beating out the Seer for highest physical damage. The Lex Prime also has great critical capabilities.

 

I hope this helps you decide which heavy pistol is best for you. The Seer is my favorite.

 

Lex Prime is the best of the bunch, but "back in the day" when there was less power creep, the Kraken was my go to pistol.

[rapt0rman]

If you read the thread, you would know why I forgot the Aklex.

Gonna have to disagree with you, they have 10% more crit, the accuracy reduction is negligible, and the recoil increase is too if you're keeping your shots paced, they do exactly what they need to do as a pair of sniper pistols.

 

Which brings me to the next topic, are you talking about "heavy pistols" or "sniper pistols"? Because you can have a heavy pistol that's a sniper pistol and vice versa but they aren't inherently the same thing, For Instance the marelok (not on your list) has notably bad accuracy, but it's still absolutely one of the heaviest heavy pistols in warframe (incidentally, I still snipe just fine with it... aside from the occasional wild shot).

 

Also one more thing of note, don't forget that the seer can't crit.

Edited July 17, 2014 by rapt0rman

[PeripheralVisionary]

If you read the thread, you would know why I forgot the Aklex.

Snipers are overrated as of now. I like the Lex Prime with the High Impact damage.

 

Also one more thing of note, don't forget that the seer can't crit.

 

It can now, but it is so low as to be negligible.

Edited July 17, 2014 by PeripheralVisionary

[TheStag]

Gonna have to disagree with you, they have 10% more crit, the accuracy reduction is negligible, and the recoil increase is too if you're keeping your shots paced, they do exactly what they need to do as a pair of sniper pistols

 

Which brings me to the next topic, are you talking about "heavy pistols" or "sniper pistols"? Because you can have a heavy pistol that's a sniper pistol and vice versa but they aren't inherently the same thing, For Instance the marelok (not on your list) has notably bad accuracy, but it's still absolutely one of the heaviest heavy pistols in warframe (incidentally, I still snipe just fine with it... aside from the occasional wild shot).

 

Also one more thing of note, don't forget that the seer can't crit.

Marelok is an abomination. It is more powerful than its primary counterpart, and that should not be so. I would also not classify it as a heavy pistol, just a hard hitting pistol.

[TheStag]

Snipers are overrated as of now. I like the Lex Prime with the High Impact damage.

 

 

It can now, but it is so slow as to be negligible.

Seer's fire rate is fine if you use a lethal torrent, which is a given on most if not all primary builds.

[rapt0rman]

Marelok is an abomination. It is more powerful than its primary counterpart, and that should not be so. I would also not classify it as a heavy pistol, just a hard hitting pistol.

Well yeah, there are a lot of things that I think shouldn't be in warframe but that's not really relevant, and the fact that it hits hard is what makes a heavy pistol, not it's sniper accuracy.

[Satinpuppies]

You forgot the Aklex, which is actually better then all of the above imho.

 

Fire rate is completely compensated while still having a higher mag capacity over the Prime. 

[TheStag]

Well yeah, there are a lot of things that I think shouldn't be in warframe but that's not really relevant, and the fact that it hits hard is what makes a heavy pistol, not it's sniper accuracy.

That has some truth, but I also fail to believe that Marelok is a heavy pistol. It is not designed as a heavy pistol.

[TisForTat]

That has some truth, but I also fail to believe that Marelok is a heavy pistol. It is not designed as a heavy pistol.

 

Unfortunately I agree with the other player, I consider Marelok a heavy pistol.

 

As far as damage per ammo, it actually does less than Brakk because Brakk has superior crit damage except at long range due to fall off damage. As far as accuracy though, one is firing a slug and the other is firing buck shot, so it is self-explanatory. There is one other pistol worth mentioning which would be the rocket pocket, Angstrum. Damage added up over multiple enemies hit at once will exceed both hardest hitting pistols.

 

But as this thread is only about heavy pistols, I'll stop there.

[PeripheralVisionary]

Seer's fire rate is fine if you use a lethal torrent, which is a given on most if not all primary builds.

I meant low, not slow, already edited it out.

[PeripheralVisionary]

Marelok is an abomination. It is more powerful than its primary counterpart, and that should not be so. I would also not classify it as a heavy pistol, just a hard hitting pistol.

So Kraken yes, but Marelok no...

[TheStag]

So Kraken yes, but Marelok no...

Kraken is called a heavy pistol in its description.

[Grulos]

And then comes Marelok and makes all other heavy pistols obsolete.

[Darzk]

Kraken is called a heavy pistol in its description.

 

That's as relevant as the fact that no other pistol is. In other words, not at all. Marelok's description acknowledges that it's basically a sawd off version of a rifle - wouldn't that make it 'heavy'.

[Guest Tehnoobshow]

Which ones will work with a max Magnum Force?

[Thart]

Hi guys,

 

Recently I juz foundry a Seer. But it did not show in my equipment list but showed in inventory. Any idea what happen? Or it only apply to certain warframe.

[-Vane-]

Marelok was intended to be akimbo at first. So its not a heavy pistol. Its an abomination.

Edited October 26, 2014 by NyancraftG