ArgonTheFox Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Could you not have picked a different frame to be the starter frame, DE? Volt is massively, massively difficult to get for normal players, so I feel like ive been kicked in the teeth, because my clan has invested thousands of items and hundreds of hours into getting the labs and research for Volt, so what does DE do? Completely devalue all our work and effort by handing it out for free. I wouldn't care if Volt was obtained by a normal means such as killing a boss, but the fact hes part of Clan Research for normal players is silly. In my opinion, the methods in which Loki and Volt are obtained should be switched, or another frame should be put in Volt's place as a starter frame. Its a huge insult to everyone who got Volt after he was added to Clan Research. In the most recent Dev Stream, it was stated Volt was selected because Loki made it awkward designing the tutorial, due to Loki's lack of an offensive ability, however there are literally loads of other frames that could have been used in his place, while being fair on veteran players. Ember, Frost, even Saryn come to mind. Edited July 20, 2014 by ArgonTheFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alad_VI Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Rhino Prime new starter frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bejuizb Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Rhino Prime new starter frame. -proceeds to uninstall- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizel Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Well if you start on excal or loki, kinda still need volt bp's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachon1992 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 i totally agree. i guess they made it like this so new players buy the prime loki pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatr Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 i have never tought about this, but now i agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggeringking Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Some one will always be starting a new clan and researching new things, in that case you would have things stay the same forever? I understand how it can be annoying but right now they're basically building the game. things are gonna change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bejuizb Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 i totally agree. i guess they made it like this so new players buy the prime loki pack? Talk about drawing at straws...Holy crap man. You win the conspiracy theory hat of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DellSalami Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Volt is a more straightforward frame. Loki takes some albeit not much strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitzbach Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 It's as if everyone starts the game with Volt! Like, why would anyone ever play a mag or an Excal, right? It's the same as asking why Mag, Loki and Excal part can drop. You start the game off with 1 frame, not 3 (or 4). You still need to farm the rest so an option must always be presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Volt was one of the starter frames beforehand. It was easy to just stick him back in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolemaios Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 it is the way it should be now. volt is a good frame for new players, loki isnt, and volt was originally one of the starter frames when the game first released. it doesnt devalue any of your work, they are rearranging how things work so that new players are more likely to stick around. now if they made vauban a starter frame you would have room to complain, but right now you dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casardis Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) You realize that in the beginning of the tutorial you start with NO weapons and have to use your powers to kill? Good luck trying to kill the Grineer with Decoy. Lastly, Volt requires less effort to make but more time. Fighting Hyena pack to get Loki is a much bigger feat if you ask me. Edited July 20, 2014 by Casardis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydian Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You know, I started back when volt wasn't clantech because there was no clantech. Or clans. And he was a starter frame then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Loki is much harder for a new player to learn, and due to his low health much more punishing when they make mistakes. Volt is more forgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenousPartyLibrarian Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Probably because you need offensive skills in the tutorial, and Loki is somewhat hard to start off with, without the right mods and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaxium Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) I'm glad they swapped loki with volt, I started with Loki and man was that rough on a new player, he so squishy so I died a Lot. Loki definitely a veteran frame. Volt is much better for a starter frame then loki Edited July 20, 2014 by imaxium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)friedricetheman Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You realize that in the beginning of the tutorial you start with NO weapons and have to use your powers to kill? Good luck trying to kill the Grineer with Decoy. Lastly, Volt requires less effort to make but more time. Fighting Hyena pack to get Loki is a much bigger feat if you ask me. Maybe they could buff the decoy so that the Lato he is shooting deals as much damage as an unmodded Lato? Anyways, I am not complaining as I had a friend that I recommended Warframe to and he rage quit after 5 hours because he chose Loki as his starter frame. He complained that he couldn't pass mercury when none of his powers do any damage. Loki is not starter frame material. New players need frames that deals damage as they haven't gotten into the advance part of Warframe yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteCopain Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 In the most recent Dev Stream, it was stated Volt was selected because Loki made it awkward designing the tutorial, due to Loki's lack of an offensive ability, however there are literally loads of other frames that could have been used in his place, while being fair on veteran players. Ember, Frost, even Saryn come to mind. Using Saryn's poison weapon without one. Lotus: "Tenno wut u doin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonTheFox Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 I find it ironic people are commenting about Loki, talking about how his Decoy cannot kill, considering I addressed that in the opening post. Somehow I get the distinct impression many of the people posting here have only read the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonTheFox Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Using Saryn's poison weapon without one. Lotus: "Tenno wut u doin" Saryn's #1 skill: Venom does not require a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroz76 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 because thats exactly what Volt is. A starter frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varzy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ehh... a lot of your arguments seem to be based off the fact that he's clan tech... but Volt has only recently been clan tech. At the beginning, he was a starter frame. His parts could be gotten from the J3-Golem boss on Jupiter. Then, Mag replaced him as a starter frame. After a while, J3 was removed and became Lephantis, who now drops Nekros parts. Volt then joined Banshee in this nebuos position where their parts could only be tracked down as random mission rewards. It was only when the Tenno Lab became a thing that they both found a new home. Volt is Clan Research to make him easier to acquire, not to make him a status symbol. So, with the new player experience and the fact that Loki is a frame better for experienced players, it makes sense why they'd go and restore Volt to his starter-frame status. He's an excellent all-rounder frame whose powers complement a range of gameplay styles, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetie_Belle Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 but Loki's Decoy does kill. =(On the other hand, I think that Volt should be an option of the first three. Isa good idear to me. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Wow, I completely forgot about Volt being clantech. I don't mind Volt being a starter, but while he is, I think it would indeed be best if he and Loki got their obtaining methods switched around. Volt should drop from a Corpus boss, and Loki should be clantech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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