Post Your Imprint Breeding Results. Let's Try And Figure Out The Kubrow Genetics (Imprints)

[Electronite]

I was just looking around to see what imprints do exactly, do they carry the fur patterns only or everything including build and class, but I came up empty. Looked around the forums and there wasn't anything definitive. From Live stream 31 they say it includes all the characteristics but some people say its only the patterns.

 

So I thought I'd create a thread for people to post the results of their kubro breeding results so we can get a grasp on what traits are dominant or recessive. So here's a template for posting your 'experiment'. Pictures would be EXTREMELY helpful, if you don't have the screenshots then try to be as descriptive as possible, perhaps use other people's posts as an example. For example, "My imprint 1 has the same patter as post #6 Imprint 1" or something like that.

 

Imprint 1:(Please if you can make sure the order you post here is the same order you used when blending)

Kubro Type:

Gender:

Height(Tall, medium, small):

Build(Stocky/Fat, Normal, Skinny):

Pattern(Just a simple description would do, just needed to see what pattern ends up dominant):

 

Imprint 2:

Kubro Type:

Gender:

Height:

Build:

Pattern:

 

Baby:

Kubro Type:

Gender:

Height:

Build:

Pattern:

 

 

So far my findings are:

--- Imprints only give a higher chance for the kubro baby to carry the characteristics of the 2 imprints. 

---There are dominant and recessive traits, resulting in some traits to always take priority. But that's only if RNG decides your imprints take priority.

---Each Kubro can only have 2 imprints taken of them. And only after they are fully grown into adults.

---From Livestream gender could also imply dominance or recessiveness of genes.

---As of Hotfix 14.05 All Kubro breeding now only uses dominant traits(no surprises recessive genes anymore). Well this is a big change, don't know how exactly this will work. 

---From a twitter we found out these are the traits categories:

 

Body Type(implicitly derived, not explicitly stated)

Fur Pattern

Eye Colour

Colour layer 1,2 and 3(ie Primary colour, Tint 1, and Tint 2)

 

https://twitter.com/sheldoncarter/status/491370256699359232

 

---CONFIRMED. Using 2 imprints of a same Kubro does not guarentee the same Kubro but a very high chance of so.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hypothesis/Speculation(need more data)

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***FUR PATTERN**

 

 

So far we have seen many cases of Kubros with the following patterns, the other types are quite rare and I still haven't recieved any data on them. FEED ME DATA.

Stripes: The pattern with stripes on the kubro's back and legs, much like a tiger.

Lotus: A lotus symbol on the face.

Patchy: The most common of patterns, just patches of the 2 different colours on the doge, mostly very light and similiar so sometimes hard to distinguish.

 

Speculation:(NOT FINAL)

1. From Several case studies #6; #12; #24; #34; we can see that the stripes pattern is RECESSIVE. In all of the cases a stripes pattern when combined with another pattern will 'blend' you a baby with the other pattern.

 

2. Lotus pattern is also RECESSIVE, as seen in case study #32.

 

3. The Patchy pattern is very common and can be ruled as a dominant gene. So if you want a good pattern don't bring in a kubro with the patchy pattern. I think it is safe to say PATCHY IS DOMINANT.

 

 

 

 

**BODY TYPE**

 

 

Thanks to Jin_Kazama for pointing out, the stocky/fat kubro body type isn't a dominant one, he bred 2 fat doges and he got a normal weight doge. (CASE #12)

 

 

 

 

UPDATE(22/07/2014) : As of Hotfix 14.05 All Kubro breeding now only uses dominant traits(no surprises recessive genes anymore)

UPDATE(25/07/2014): I added a speculation part, to brainstorm. The findings there aren't final and purely speculation based on the limited data I have now. Thank you everyone for the posts so far. If you got friends who have also bred their kubro ask them if they'd like to post their puppy blender experience here :D Once again thank you for all the helpful posts. Love you guys.

Edited July 30, 2014 by Electronite

[NeloAngelicus]

Imprint 1

Kubro Type: Sunika

Gender: Male

Height: Medium

Build: Fat

Pattern: Lotus Simbol.

 

Imprint 2:

Kubro Type: Sunika

Gender: Female

Height: Tall

Build: Medium

Pattern: None only White.

 

Puppy

 

With the "Gamma Fix".

 

 

 

Kubro Type: Sunika

Gender: Female

Height:  Very Tall

Build: Medium

Pattern:  grey with light lines of gray and black marks in her Legs and Face.

Edited July 27, 2014 by NeloAngelicus

[lukshu]

Imprint 1

Kubro Type: Sunika

Gender: Male

Height: Medium

Build: Fat

Pattern: Lotus Simbol.

 

Imprint 2:

Kubro Type: Sunika

Gender: Female

Height: Tall

Build: Medium

Pattern: None only White.

 

 

Baby:

Kubro Type: Sunika

Gender: Female

Height: (waiting)

Build:(waiting)

Pattern: White with grey lines and grey marks in her Legs and Face.

It somehow looks like the pup has a filled white Lotus pattern?

[AXCrusnik]

I was not aware of such a trait. I still can't see it, can you point out if any kubros here have fluffy feet?

From what I've seen... normal build females have slightly longer fur, which results in the fuzzy feet. I haven't seen too many female bulky/skinny kubrows so I don't know if it affects those too.

 

This is just speculation on my part as all female medium build kubrows I've seen have the longer fur.

[Philosopher]

Imprint 1:

Kubrow Type:Huras

Gender:Female

Height:Medium

Build:Medium

Pattern:Gold Stripes,rest is white

 

Imprint 2:

Kubrow Type:Huras

Gender:Male

Height:Short

Build:Thin

Pattern:Orange/White

 

Outcome:

Kubrow Type:Huras

Gender:Female

Height:Medium

Build:Medium

Pattern:White body/head with dark gray legs

Edited July 25, 2014 by Philosopher

[NeloAngelicus]

It somehow looks like the pup has a filled white Lotus pattern?

Now seems more like a skull haha.

 

[J-Reyno]

 

1º and only slot xD (The 2º was empty)

Female

Sunika

Bulky/short (really short ;-;)

Dirty White/Light Brown (?)

Eye Brown (?)

 

snip

 

 

Baby Snowy

 

snip

 

Grow up ;-;

 

snip

 

Looks like one of the imprints make the baby grow with the same body type :~ ?

 

So you used one imprint of a female sunika?  Can I ask, what is the gender of the offspring?

[MeduSalem]

I guess the breeding results for the colors (and probably some patterns too) were distorted through the bug in the coloring thing DE Steve wrote about in the Developer Workshop:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/273383-upcoming-color-customization-fix-planned-for-hotfix-1409/

 

Seems like most people thinking they have a white/light colored Kubrow didn't really have a white/light colored one and that might be one of the reasons why we saw so diverging results with the colors until now.

 

My Kubrow puppy went from white to being light/mid-grey.

Edited July 26, 2014 by MeduSalem

[Electronite]

Another one my friends did

 

Imprint 1: 

 

Breed: Sunika

Sex: Female

Height: Short

Build: Skinny

 

 

 

Imprint 2:

 

Breed: Huras

Sex: Male

Height: Tall

Build: Skinny

 

 

Baby:

 

Breed: Sunika

Sex: Female

Height: Short

Build: Skinny

 

 

Edited July 28, 2014 by Electronite

[EronAltair]

Ok, here's one for you:

 

1st Imprint:

 

Sahasa Female

Skinny

Brownish Tan

 

2nd Imprint:

 

Sunika Male

Stocky

Blue

 

Baby:

 

Sahasa Female like her Mother.

Can't tell yet, BUT

Is striped Brownish Tan and Blue - the same exact colors of her parents, but they are striped.

[J-Reyno]

Ok this is just some speculation but I'm seeing some trends here.

 

It really seems like a male imprint + a female imprint is very likely to produce a female, if not absolutely guaranteed.  I'm seeing a lot of examples of this in this thread, and my last two incubations resulted female offspring from male-female imprints.

 

I have yet to see male-female imprint combinations result in a male offspring.  I'd be happy for someone to show me otherwise.

 

I have also not yet seen a female-female combination result in a male, only female.

 

Similarly, I have only seen male-male imprint combinations produce male offspring.

 

I could be wrong because I was told at one point that it was random.  But the results I'm seeing right now make me think otherwise.

 

EDIT: So, nope.  Have taken two male imprints and received a female.  Then taken those female imprints and bred a male. Gender is totally random.

Edited August 1, 2014 by LazarusDark

[Electronite]

Ok this is just some speculation but I'm seeing some trends here.

 

It really seems like a male imprint + a female imprint is very likely to produce a female, if not absolutely guaranteed.  I'm seeing a lot of examples of this in this thread, and my last two incubations resulted female offspring from male-female imprints.

 

I have yet to see male-female imprint combinations result in a male offspring.  I'd be happy for someone to show me otherwise.

 

I have also not yet seen a female-female combination result in a male, only female.

 

Similarly, I have only seen male-male imprint combinations produce male offspring.

 

I could be wrong because I was told at one point that it was random.  But the results I'm seeing right now make me think otherwise.

 

Yeah I think you're spot on. Noticed that as well. Female's seem to be the dominant gene. And since they changed some mechanics about the genes to remove 'surprises' from recessive genes, I think its highly unlikely to get a female from a male-female combo. I think if both imprints have the exact same trait(i.e sex, build, pattern) the baby is almost guaranteed to have that trait.

[sachiggy]

Ok this is just some speculation but I'm seeing some trends here.

 

It really seems like a male imprint + a female imprint is very likely to produce a female, if not absolutely guaranteed.  I'm seeing a lot of examples of this in this thread, and my last two incubations resulted female offspring from male-female imprints.

 

I have yet to see male-female imprint combinations result in a male offspring.  I'd be happy for someone to show me otherwise.

 

I have also not yet seen a female-female combination result in a male, only female.

 

Similarly, I have only seen male-male imprint combinations produce male offspring.

 

I could be wrong because I was told at one point that it was random.  But the results I'm seeing right now make me think otherwise.

my two imprints from the same female kubrow resulted in a male kubrow 

[J-Reyno]

my two imprints from the same female kubrow resulted in a male kubrow 

Yeah?  Was this before or after the dominant traits change?

[sachiggy]

after, the imprints were made on friday. 

[Red_Commet]

Imprint 1:

Kubro Type: Raksa

Gender: Male

Height(Tall, medium, small): Medium/Tall Dk for sure

Build(Stocky/Fat, Normal, Skinny): Stocky

Pattern: All of torso and legs orange, neck grey/white, with slight orange patterns on head/forehead

 

Imprint 2:

Kubro Type:Sunika ( or so I assumed!!!)

Gender:N/A

Height:Tall pretty sure

Build:skinny/normal dk for sure

Pattern: completely blue

 

Baby:

Kubro Type: HURAS ( what??)

Gender: Male

Height:N/A will update

Build: N/A will update

Pattern:Has orange on all four legs, both ears, tail, ect ect

so from this experience I learned that you may get a kubrow of a different kind from both parents ( May be that is if the person I traded with actually gave me a sunika or not), Blue is a rare pattern/color since it was recessive towards the orange ( I'd assume) I'd say blue is rare. Hope my contribution helps :S



Definelty came out like it's dad Raksa And he has red/purple/pink eyes 0_0

Edited July 28, 2014 by Red_Commet

[sachiggy]

Same thing happened to me, sunika + huras = sahasa 

Edited July 27, 2014 by DogSoup

[Kyoto]

Okay, I looked at my inventory and the 2 imprints are there D:

Looks like now I have 2 bulky type Females Kubrows xD

The ex white one (now looks light brow o.o'') is a Sunika, and the stripped one (really light caramell + cant remember the color of stripes xD) is Huras
 

So I didn't contribute, my two babies was random D:

[Electronite]

 

 

so from this experience I learned that you may get a kubrow of a different kind from both parents ( May be that is if the person I traded with actually gave me a sunika or not), Blue is a rare pattern/color since it was recessive towards the orange ( I'd assume) I'd say blue is rare. Hope my contribution helps :S

 

 

So are you sure you got a Sunika Imprint? Where did you get yours from? If you got yours from trading, I'm afraid there are a lot of scammers out there selling imprints with false advertisements. You might wanna hold off buying imprints from people you don't know until DE actually includes more details on imprints.

 

Same thing happened to me, sunika + huras = sahasa 

 

Same question here, where did you get your imprint from? Was it from a friend you could trust? People on trade are scamming like crazy. If not I'm not sure what happened there, DE already fixed the issue where you get a different class from the parents. Maybe the imprints you bought were not as advertised. 

[Sierra62]

I don't think the punnett square applies here.. Combined 2 imprints from the same kubrow..

Breed:Sunika

Gender:Female

Color:Red with darker red strips

Build:Small muscular

And the outcome was..

Breed:Sunika

Gender:Male

Color:Red with darker red strips

Build:Big muscular

Shouldn't they be identical? (the new kubrow with the one the imprints came from) ?? If the punnett square doesn't apply fully then all the search for imprints that fit exactly what you want your kubrow to look like is waste of time.

P.S. i tried to find a sahasa, again with specific looks, and when i did, i got a mismatch again when the baby popped.

[PsycoticHamster]

Imprint 1:

Kubrow Type: Sunika

Gender: Male

Height: Tall

Build: Skinny

Pattern: Stripes

Coat: Orange(was originally cream before color "fix")

 

Imprint 2:

Kubrow Type: Raksa

Gender: Female

Height: Medium

Build: Stocky

Pattern: None

Coat: Green

 

Imprint 3:

Kubrow Type: Sahasa

Gender: Female

Height: Short

Build: Medium

Pattern: None

Coat: Grey

[sachiggy]

So are you sure you got a Sunika Imprint? Where did you get yours from? If you got yours from trading, I'm afraid there are a lot of scammers out there selling imprints with false advertisements. You might wanna hold off buying imprints from people you don't know until DE actually includes more details on imprints.

 

 

Same question here, where did you get your imprint from? Was it from a friend you could trust? People on trade are scamming like crazy. If not I'm not sure what happened there, DE already fixed the issue where you get a different class from the parents. Maybe the imprints you bought were not as advertised. 

Yah, looking into it more I think I indeed got scammed. Not too big of a deal considering it was fairly cheap (50ish if I remember correctly) 

[Red_Commet]

So are you sure you got a Sunika Imprint? Where did you get yours from? If you got yours from trading, I'm afraid there are a lot of scammers out there selling imprints with false advertisements. You might wanna hold off buying imprints from people you don't know until DE actually includes more details on imprints.

 

 

Same question here, where did you get your imprint from? Was it from a friend you could trust? People on trade are scamming like crazy. If not I'm not sure what happened there, DE already fixed the issue where you get a different class from the parents. Maybe the imprints you bought were not as advertised. 

Yeah I don't know for sure so I could be wrong sadly. But yes, hope DE add more info to the imprints

[MeduSalem]

Yeah I don't know for sure so I could be wrong sadly. But yes, hope DE add more info to the imprints

 

Yepp they should in fact make "scanning" and "imprinting" the DNA of your Kubrow decrypt and reveal all of the dominant&recessive genes/traits your Kubrow has in TEXT-Format so you exactly know what you're dealing with.

 

This information should be always displayed when hovering/activating an imprint. Then nobody in the trade channel is able to scam another person because you can review all the information right away when hovering your mouse over the imprint.

 

Also it might give some light on how the breeding actually works.

[jennibear]

I have been trying REALLY HARD to mix my kubrow a lotus and stripe pattern of blue. all my attempts have failed... this is my dilema...*cue lifetime music*

 

1)

Breed: Raska

Gender:Female

Build: curvy

Pattern: Lotus with blue splotches

 

 

2)

Breed: Sahasa

Gender:Female

Build:curvy

Pattern:Stripes on back and back legs

 

(this is the result, as was it the same pattern of my second kubrow)

 

Result: MALE!

 

Note: I did this mix twice, the first time I got a lotus symbol, this time i got these stripes. It seems like this combination of print cancels each other out

 

my goal was when i got the result in grey, i would transfer it to my black kubrow imprint, and have a black/blue awesome kubrow....I am probably going to file a ticket to see if this is a bug in anyway before i continue. I don't want to waste 150p i spent on these pieces...

Edited July 30, 2014 by jennibear

[Brahkest]

I don't know if this encounter was a bug or not, but a friend of mine mixed two raskas he had because one of them had a lotus face and the other had the colors he wanted. He ended up with a sunika that had the patterns and colors but is obviously a completely different breed. The imprints he used were from his own raskas so he didn't have anything through trade (like fake imprints) that could've affected the baby.

 

This kinda makes me afraid to imprint one of my eggs with breeds that I actually want and getting something totally different. Is this common or is this just a bug?