(PSN)TheSUZZZZ-__- Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Will warframe ever get brought to speed with PC it seems a little rediculouse PC gets all this crazy stuff after breeding grounds and we have failed to even get it after suspicious shipments why not release dlc /updates on the same day so you don't got ps4 users twittling debating on dropping it for destiny lol , any other thoughts on this framers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xalev Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 the issue lies in developing for the PS4. IIRC, the programming manual is in japanese. all jokes aside, this is kinda showing that front of the concept that it is easier to code for things more so than others, on the upside, we can send DXlogs and such, and we work as one hell of a bugtest group as far as balance goes. [ assuming im not behind, i may be wrong ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dicht.ThanksFrost- Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) It not DE's fault that sony has a verification process. If you want the updates earlier so you can test them out for bugs get a pc... Edited July 24, 2014 by NudistBeach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphafox Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 In dev stream 32 they mentioned something to give you guys the patch a bit quicker. It will probably take effect soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalarcher Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If they have to release the updates for PS4 on the same day as PC, that would mean the PC dev team is just spending potentially weeks sitting around doing nothing at all, which is, I'm sure you'll agree, a waste. Think about it this way: if you had no idea what the PC version got, would you be mad that you don't have a new thing yet? If the answer is no, then you agree they aren't doing anything wrong. If the answer is yes, then perhaps they are doing something wrong, or your standards for the frequency of new content is too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Bobtm0 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) It's not really ridiculous in any sense, rather it's completely to be expected in these sorts of situations. There've been game updates that have caused massive damage to consoles and their networks in the past. Because of those idiotic situations the consoles will likely never remove their certification processes, so the situation will remain the "status quo" for likely quite some time to come. Look on the bright side though, we get updates that are mostly in working order to begin with on the console side, albeit much later. Whereas PC peeps get updates sooner, but sometimes have to suffer through major bugs for X amount of time whilst waiting for a hotfix to adjust it accordingly. As far as the Destiny/Warframe situation, the two are pretty incomparable as far as gameplay. If a user enjoys the type of gameplay that Warframe provides for what Warframe is, Destiny won't pull them away. Edited July 24, 2014 by (PS4)Bobtm0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorez Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 HERE WE GO AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRLOz Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It will be interesting to see what update 14 is like once it ships to console. Bug fixing is still going on for pc. I think this will be a true test of what everyone keeps saying e.g. PS4 gets it late but most of the big bugs get worked out by the PC playerbase enduring buggy versions. Also cert process of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I think it's the devs first priority to get this new stuff on PS4 now. Given the wiki stats and survey: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/272249-u14-wiki-statistics-and-survey/ While I want the same thing for PS4 I think Sony's certification process just isn't designed to work with weekly content updates like Warframe does on PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TheSUZZZZ-__- Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thanks for all the responses best thing to do is just wait and see but I can't really complain it's all free I just hate watching it on PC for weeks until it finally hit us on console to those who have or say get a PC and test bugs it's not that easy to just get a PC money's tight and ps4 was nuff as is ahaha I guess I'll just be sticking to watching vids prior to release and so Sony or playstation cannot release weekly updates ? Does that have them locked to a monthly or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Will warframe ever get brought to speed with PC it seems a little rediculouse PC gets all this crazy stuff after breeding grounds and we have failed to even get it after suspicious shipments why not release dlc /updates on the same day so you don't got ps4 users twittling debating on dropping it for destiny lol , any other thoughts on this framers ? First: Destiny is a joke Second: The problem with the updates is Sony´s fault. They have to do ther cert mambo jambo to see if the update is cool. Why should pc players have to wait for their update if its already ready to ship? Edited July 24, 2014 by Venarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It will be interesting to see what update 14 is like once it ships to console. Bug fixing is still going on for pc. I think this will be a true test of what everyone keeps saying e.g. PS4 gets it late but most of the big bugs get worked out by the PC playerbase enduring buggy versions. Also cert process of course. Well they have a way to shove certain hotfixes through without cert. The exact details escape me but this is probably the route they are looking at using to catch us up some. I still see the big updates being delayed as there would be no way those don't have to go through cert. At least until the game stops undergoing such drastic changes as melee 2.0 and UI and all the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TheSUZZZZ-__- Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 To each is own from what I seen trade chat was mucked with stupid destiny beta codes but I how many people hopped off warframe to go check that warframe don't pick it up on console there gonna fall behind when full games actually start hittin the shelf , I've never played anything as fun as frame but it's getting old hours and hours of the same missions all I'm saying is this u14 on ps4 better be hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TheSUZZZZ-__- Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 First: Destiny is a joke Second: The problem with the updates is Sony´s fault. They have to do ther cert mambo jambo to see if the update is cool. Why should pc players have to wait for their update if its already ready to ship? okk soo somy just doesn't want no cracks in there S#&$ I c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Well they have a way to shove certain hotfixes through without cert. The exact details escape me but this is probably the route they are looking at using to catch us up some. I still see the big updates being delayed as there would be no way those don't have to go through cert. At least until the game stops undergoing such drastic changes as melee 2.0 and UI and all the rest. The hotfixes that they shove through/skip cert are mostly server-side hotfixes or changes to the game's code or operation that doesn't require downloading of additional content, like fixing a broken alert (they can start/stop/modify alerts on their end without needing to change the game's code) or running a script to give out items which were not rewarded due to a buggy mission or event (which again is server side). As for the gap between PS4 and PC, it probably won't ever vanish entirely. The issue is that Warframe is developed on PC and then ported to PS4. The developers are creating a PC game, and then a handful of developers who are familiar with the PS4 development process then take the PC build and start working their magic to make it compatible on PS4. Additionally, PC is much easier to release on as there are no certification processes for them to upload the patches to the server and have the PC launcher download them immediately. To each is own from what I seen trade chat was mucked with stupid destiny beta codes but I how many people hopped off warframe to go check that warframe don't pick it up on console there gonna fall behind when full games actually start hittin the shelf , I've never played anything as fun as frame but it's getting old hours and hours of the same missions all I'm saying is this u14 on ps4 better be hot Keep in mind that Destiny is a AAA game from Bungie, it has a huge producer and it is one of the most (if not the most) expensive game ever produced. I can guarantee you that no matter what DE did, there will still be a lot of players who go off to play Destiny. But while PS4 players are playing Destiny, the PS4 version of Warframe will still get updated. So by the time PS4 players start to get bored of playing Destiny, Warframe might even be on Update 15. A truly smart gamer never binge-games. They swap between games every few days or weeks (or months even). The idea is to go back and forth between games to prevent them from getting stale and from getting burnout. But yeah, comparing Warframe to Destiny is like comparing a small-town lemonade stand with what you could swear is the sweetest (or tartest, if you prefer tart) lemonade to Minute-Mid Lemonade (a mass produced lemonade/juice drink company owned by Coca-Cola). It's all about scale and exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Bobtm0 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thanks for all the responses best thing to do is just wait and see but I can't really complain it's all free I just hate watching it on PC for weeks until it finally hit us on console to those who have or say get a PC and test bugs it's not that easy to just get a PC money's tight and ps4 was nuff as is ahaha I guess I'll just be sticking to watching vids prior to release and so Sony or playstation cannot release weekly updates ? Does that have them locked to a monthly or ? Most of your post here is pretty hard to follow, just throwing that out there. Anyways to cover the underlined: Both Sony and Microsoft have update certification processes whereas PC does not. This is more the nature of the beast as it is, since unlike PCs, the consoles each have a directly overarching company that has to handle issues and malfunctions / repairs and warranties. There actually have been updates for games that have literally caused console damage, and some that have caused network damage. These situations, while rare, have more or less cemented the cert situation to be an ever present reality for quite some time to come, and I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. There isn't a locked "monthly" thing or anything of the sort, however for constantly developing titles like Warframe, it creates an issue. The cert process generally takes close to one week, weekly updates happen each week, ergo cert prevents weekly updates. Beyond that Warframe is not simultaneously developed for PC and PS4, the content is ported to PS4 after it is done on PC. Between the cert delay and port process, updates just can't happen as fast, even without cert PS4 would be behind. DE chooses to make the most of the situation by bundling updates once they have a handful that are in a solid/non-buggy state and shipping them off to cert around one month at a time or so. It's a smart plan given the ideas in play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Will warframe ever get brought to speed with PC it seems a little rediculouse PC gets all this crazy stuff after breeding grounds and we have failed to even get it after suspicious shipments why not release dlc /updates on the same day so you don't got ps4 users twittling debating on dropping it for destiny lol , any other thoughts on this framers ? Because, Sony. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 -snip- A truly smart gamer never binge-games. They swap between games every few days or weeks (or months even). The idea is to go back and forth between games to prevent them from getting stale and from getting burnout. But yeah, comparing Warframe to Destiny is like comparing a small-town lemonade stand with what you could swear is the sweetest (or tartest, if you prefer tart) lemonade to Minute-Mid Lemonade (a mass produced lemonade/juice drink company owned by Coca-Cola). It's all about scale and exposure. Couldn't have put it better myself. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhundis Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Will warframe ever get brought to speed with PC it seems a little rediculouse PC gets all this crazy stuff after breeding grounds and we have failed to even get it after suspicious shipments why not release dlc /updates on the same day so you don't got ps4 users twittling debating on dropping it for destiny lol , any other thoughts on this framers ? Be thankful that we get it first. Us PC players work through the bugs so you console players can have a smooth ride. So would you rather have a buggy game where you have to reset your console every time you encounter a bug, or a smooth ride from launch till quit? Consoles can't do the work arounds PC's can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TheSUZZZZ-__- Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Lol the game already glitches to S#&$ on ps4 to it's not a complete "smooth" ride there is error after error that closes the application when your in the middle of t4s I get what your saying though there would be a lot more more bugs than what there is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevanChambers Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Well they have a way to shove certain hotfixes through without cert. The exact details escape me but this is probably the route they are looking at using to catch us up some. I still see the big updates being delayed as there would be no way those don't have to go through cert. At least until the game stops undergoing such drastic changes as melee 2.0 and UI and all the rest. From what I understood from that dev stream if they don't touch the executable it doesn't have to go through cert. So that might be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooMsx Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) It's not that easy to just get a PC money's tight and ps4 was nuff as is. You do realize that if you invested 100$ more and bought a PC you'd probably get your money back in about two months because the games are way cheaper. Well that's your decision. Does that have them locked to a monthly or ? Not really, but first the content has to be made for PC, then fixed and ported to PS after there's enough content and it's stable enough (while the porting makes new bugs), that takes a lot of time, then at least a week for sony to certify the patch, more if they find something wrong with it and DE has to fix and resubmit it. Even if they had two teams working on the patch simultaneously (which would be almost impossible to coordinate) the fixes and cert would mean a week+ delay for the PC patch, and you could bet your @$$ we would whine and moan so much the PWI riot would look like just another day in the park. Edited July 24, 2014 by BooMsx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If they start properly testing updates in-house and release them on PC in fully functional state - then it will be possible to make simultaneous PC/PS4 updates. As long as they treat it like beta on PC this can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shadow_Of_Hunhow Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I wish we would get updates at the same time, but I understand why they don't. I guarantee that U14 even in it's current stage will be rejected by Sony. There's just too many bugs and issues for PS4 right now. It sucks, but be happy that you haven't had your kubrow hasn't been killed because of a bug, or lost other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I wish we would get updates at the same time, but I understand why they don't. I guarantee that U14 even in it's current stage will be rejected by Sony. There's just too many bugs and issues for PS4 right now. It sucks, but be happy that you haven't had your kubrow hasn't been killed because of a bug, or lost other stuff. I want my kubrow to die by naturals causes. I believe heavy gunners are a natural cause of death in the Warframe universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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