Azawarau Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) The things that stand out most to me are Hysteria,Absorb,Shuriken,Blade storm,Bleed procs in general,invisibility, and player scaling Its a bit difficult to play around with powers and test things while actively participating in helping so ill comment on these to the best of my ability Hysteria invincibility with rage is probably the main issue here Though having to lvl up helps balance it out a bit youll always find it difficult to compete with Absorb is much the same Building for early absorb spam and camping/protecting objectives with it makes it extremely difficult to succeed as an attacker Weapon like the Castanas can help but limit your load out a bit For these id suggest turning long term invincibility into a DR of perhaps 50% Shuriken and blade storm bleed procs are extremely painful even for players who bulk up early on HP Its relatively easy for an Ash to hide away and score massive kills with just these two Bleed procs in general tend to be rather painful with player weapons so far as well Id hope these are simply toned down in damage Invisibility im on the fence for it might just be my poor eyesight but lokis are extremely difficult to spot even close up With certain colors they blend in the background very well and can take great advantage of hiding and sniping out enemies Again it could just be my eyes but its kind of annoying when a loki spends 10 seconds meleeing you while you wonder why your HP keeps dropping so much Post more issues youve found and give opinions If you simply dont like PvP then you dont belong in this thread and should elave If you dont then youre just picking a fight Youve been warned Edited July 27, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSITH Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You do know that you are complaining about warframe powers right? That don't need any change if you can't kill them you can't kill them yu will just need to get better just saying . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) You do know that you are complaining about warframe powers right? That don't need any change if you can't kill them you can't kill them yu will just need to get better just saying . No amount of player skill can beat a duration valkyr guarding the objective with hysteria spam and refilling energy as much as they please Unless youre an ash with blade storm but thats an issue as well Theres actually a thing i need to test with trinity If its what i think then she may be the most broken frame of them all.... Edited July 27, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyNerd Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Hysteria forces melee only. If you're too stupid to stay near valkyr with hysteria, then you deserve what's coming. Like it's already been said, but a bit more straight to the point this time. L2P The whole OP is a rant about how certain abilities are overpowered. Honestly, this is legitimate whining for nerfs. Edited July 27, 2014 by DeadlyNerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Hysteria forces melee only. If you're too stupid to stay near valkyr with hysteria, then you deserve what's coming. Like it's already been said, but a bit more straight to the point this time. L2P The problem is that she can camp on the spawn room door and kill everyone that tries to leave, she can revive falled allies and you can't do nothing about it, and she can activate all the objectives and no one can do nothing about it. Edited July 27, 2014 by RexSol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyNerd Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 The problem is that she can camp on the spawn room door and kill everyone that tries to leave, she can revive falled allies and you can't do nothing about it, and she can activate all the objectives and no one can do nothing about it. You can run behind her and deactivate. I've caught countless valkyr doing this and just kited them around. Also, as I've pointed out in a thread, there's a problem with scaling, meaning that if you get to the core too soon, you'll have no damage to destroy it with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You can run behind her and deactivate. I've caught countless valkyr doing this and just kited them around. Also, as I've pointed out in a thread, there's a problem with scaling, meaning that if you get to the core too soon, you'll have no damage to destroy it with. Then the Valkyr you encountered was a n00b, because i play as Valkyr and its pretty straight forward... Hysteria is my first mod to activate, i just rush towards the objectives activating everything, and on the last room i camp at the spawn door and open the power core for my teammates to destroy it. I don't die not even once with Valkyr. As a main Valkyr player, in my opinion Godmode have to go, it's not balanced for PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyNerd Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Then the Valkyr you encountered was a n00b, because i play as Valkyr and its pretty straight forward... Hysteria is my first mod to activate, i just rush towards the objectives activating everything, and on the last room i camp at the spawn door and open the power core for my teammates to destroy it. I don't die not even once with Valkyr. As a main Valkyr player, in my opinion Godmode have to go, it's not balanced for PvP. So a n00b was doing exactly what you described. Ready to change your statement? With hysteria as your first ability you waste 100 energy and anyone smart enough will just run away and engage other opponents. You're left with 0 energy and they have better guns. Guess what happens next. My guess is you haven't been facing exactly pro's either. Edited July 27, 2014 by DeadlyNerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 So a n00b was doing exactly what you described. Ready to change your statement? With hysteria as your first ability you waste 100 energy and anyone smart enough will just run away and engage other opponents. You're left with 0 energy and they have better guns. Guess what happens next. My guess is you haven't been facing exactly pro's either. No i don't change my statement, i believe Hysteria is overpowered and being completely immune to all forms of damage is not something balanced for PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whytee Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) With hysteria as your first ability you waste 100 energy and anyone smart enough will just run away and engage other opponents. You're left with 0 energy and they have better guns. Guess what happens next. Valkyr camps the spawn room doors for 70ish seconds (Hysteria with duration) She gets 4 energy orbs from the hundreds of massacred NPC's She unlocks Flow Now she can stay in godmode forever, with 300 energy she can have essentially 4 to 5 minutes of total invincibility, and of course she fills up as she kills more and more helpless NPC's, meaning that she can be practically in Hysteria indefinitely. I also main Valkyr (I mean, its a free 'win' frame, with upwards of 100-200k battle pay, who wouldn't). The only real counter to Valkyr is simply another Valkyr. Edited July 27, 2014 by Whytee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolake Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Does it crash after every game for everyone now? pretty much unplayable (if constant log-offs werent bad enough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hysteria forces melee only. If you're too stupid to stay near valkyr with hysteria, then you deserve what's coming. Like it's already been said, but a bit more straight to the point this time. L2P The whole OP is a rant about how certain abilities are overpowered. Honestly, this is legitimate whining for nerfs. You can guard objectives and camp spawn points With rush and Warcry max range you can slow down targets that try to zoom past you and catch them Its balancing PvP has been unbalanced for the longest time and everyone knows it The problem is that she can camp on the spawn room door and kill everyone that tries to leave, she can revive falled allies and you can't do nothing about it, and she can activate all the objectives and no one can do nothing about it. ^This No amount of player skill can bypass this advantage You can run behind her and deactivate. I've caught countless valkyr doing this and just kited them around. Also, as I've pointed out in a thread, there's a problem with scaling, meaning that if you get to the core too soon, you'll have no damage to destroy it with. Shell reactivate it and kill you along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) So trinitys link is kind of bad as well but not as much as i thought NPCs gave me a real run for my money given there were a ton of them constantly spawning Theres a possible issue with E vamp max damage that im curious about Might be able to instantly kill a player and supercharge the energy of nearby allies... If it works as planned EDIT E vamp thing was a failure but Trinity can stand near that energy thing at the beginning of the map and just spam heals all day... Also theres a much larger issue with Hysteria than we thought A single Valkyr kepyt us in a mission for 15-20 minutes just running around and killing us while we waited for a chance to kill her Thats valuable time wasted that could be used for other missions on the solar rail Unless Valkyrs 4 is changed well see alot of this Id suggest one of 3 things Add DR instead of invicibility Speed up the timer on Hysteria when Valkyr is taking dmaage or Make it an iron skin with set HP Edited July 28, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Another big issue with hosting abuse causing failures I can only see this being fixed with dedicated servers or multi hosting games? if thats possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyNerd Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Valkyr camps the spawn room doors for 70ish seconds (Hysteria with duration) 1 tiny problem. how exactly does she unlock max duration in the beginning? everybody is complaining about fast caps. fast caps don't net xp. next flawed argument... If you let the enemy team get that much xp in the outdoors phase you wouldn't win even if you had your own valkyr. You can guard objectives and camp spawn points With rush and Warcry max range you can slow down targets that try to zoom past you and catch them Yeah, I'll see you try that on a dagger skate in low gravity mode. Not to mention spending 100 energy means you're pretty much depleted for anything else. next flawed argument... Shell reactivate it and kill you along the way And what, my 3 teammates just incidentally turned into statues? I'm starting to sound as if I play a valkyr and want this to stay as it is... Forget it, you'll just have to learn the hard way. Edited July 28, 2014 by DeadlyNerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 1 tiny problem. how exactly does she unlock max duration in the beginning? everybody is complaining about fast caps. fast caps don't net xp. next flawed argument... If you let the enemy team get that much xp in the outdoors phase you wouldn't win even if you had your own valkyr. Yeah, I'll see you try that on a dagger skate in low gravity mode. Not to mention spending 100 energy means you're pretty much depleted for anything else. next flawed argument... And what, my 3 teammates just incidentally turned into statues? I'm starting to sound as if I play a valkyr and want this to stay as it is... Forget it, you'll just have to learn the hard way. Valkyrs base Hysteria time alone is long enough for her to creep her way through EXP easily and gain her high caps All you need is dual ichor modded with the few mods it needs to maximize Hysteria Shes getting twice for the money Go find Rexsol and tell me about his dagger skating. Definition spin2wwin You and your team cant do anything about it Hysteria can be sustained infinitely and unless you have someway to bypass invincibility youre not going to stop a valkyr on a rampage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasten Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Toxic damage and base toxic damage weapons are game breaking. Acrid, Torid, Dual Ichor. The nearly instant kill with no recovery options makes it impossible to play if someone is abusing this fact. In general Bleed and Toxic damage bypass shields and hit health while ignoring armor, and do major amounts of damage. These either need hit the shields first or just simply be removed as damage options outright. Lastly there are virtually no recovery options. The little energy towers allow both attackers and defenders to endlessly pump Energy into things like Bladestorm, but don't offer a way for Attackers to back off and regain lost health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whytee Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 1 tiny problem. how exactly does she unlock max duration in the beginning? everybody is complaining about fast caps. fast caps don't net xp. next flawed argument... If you let the enemy team get that much xp in the outdoors phase you wouldn't win even if you had your own valkyr. Yeah, I'll see you try that on a dagger skate in low gravity mode. Not to mention spending 100 energy means you're pretty much depleted for anything else. next flawed argument... And what, my 3 teammates just incidentally turned into statues? I'm starting to sound as if I play a valkyr and want this to stay as it is... Forget it, you'll just have to learn the hard way. No, you sound as if you do not play Dark Sector PvP, because all of these, according to you, 'flawed arguments', are things that are actually happening ingame. I main Valkyr, and I play DS Conflicts exclusively (since I have everything from PvE). I'm not just making this stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenLetterKWord Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Double-spacing your entire post is organizationally equivalent to not spacing it at all.What we have here is a giant block of text that's been stretched to twice its normal length. By the way, this isn't a "big thread of rail conflict things to be fixed". It's just about Warframe powers. You should rename it to "an artificially lengthened thread of Warframe powers that I have a problem with". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 No, you sound as if you do not play Dark Sector PvP, because all of these, according to you, 'flawed arguments', are things that are actually happening ingame. I main Valkyr, and I play DS Conflicts exclusively (since I have everything from PvE). I'm not just making this stuff up. Rex mains a Valkyr and is a well known PvPer and he agrees that Hysteria is too powerful I main a Valkyr and ive been a PvP fanatic since trying it Dark sectors have been making up the majority of my long term mission spam lately so i know what im talking about Discrediting as if i have no experience wont get you anywhere Double-spacing your entire post is organizationally equivalent to not spacing it at all. What we have here is a giant block of text that's been stretched to twice its normal length. By the way, this isn't a "big thread of rail conflict things to be fixed". It's just about Warframe powers. You should rename it to "an artificially lengthened thread of Warframe powers that I have a problem with". Bleed procs in general,and player scaling Post more issues youve found and give opinions Another big issue with hosting abuse causing failures I can only see this being fixed with dedicated servers or multi hosting games? if thats possible I double space because i have bad eyesight and its much easier to read And theres more to it than just powers Do you have trouble reading in double space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenLetterKWord Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Do you have trouble reading in double space? Yes, actually, because it means less writing per screen-page, so less content is immediately visible. By the way, I doubt double-spacing makes your post any easier to read. Default line spacing is already 1.5. If you're looking for increased legibility, you might as well zoom in. For your own writing, a better grasp of the English language wouldn't hurt readability either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueminator Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I guess we can pretty much nerf stuff like All warframe skill durations are reduce by 50% All 100% proc skill have 50-75% proc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balduron04 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Frost's Avalanche has frozen me while I'm in attacker spawn-immunity. It needs testing whether the Hysteria Valkyr can become Frozen. Magnetic Damage should work on Nyx's Absorb, if you get a proc. Its not supposed to absorb magnetic damage, meaning if you proc him, you'll stop the absorb spam until he comes back with more energy. The problem here is that nobody has magnetic damage starting off, not even on powers. Maybe bounce, or vortex, but those are high level anyways, and also a problem. Tesla doesn't disappear on death. Kill the Vauban, kill his powers. This change would help solve a few problems. Most ultimates are OP. They'll either 1hko you or disable you so that you're easy pickings. You need around 3k hp to survive a damaging ultimate. Its Impossible to scale up that fast, so you're better off going offensive. Also, don't get hit. Frost's SnowGlobe is a pain to get into, and he can camp inside and stay "immune" to most weapons and powers. Not as much of a problem as the Valkyr, but its still a pain, especially at the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaitoOokami Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 As an Ash who has used Blade Storm in the new conflicts I can say it definitely needs a nerf. Once I unlock blade storm, which isn't hard since I have shuriken set to unlock first, I can absolutely turn the tide of the battle so that whatever team I'm on is guaranteed to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 Yes, actually, because it means less writing per screen-page, so less content is immediately visible. By the way, I doubt double-spacing makes your post any easier to read. Default line spacing is already 1.5. If you're looking for increased legibility, you might as well zoom in. For your own writing, a better grasp of the English language wouldn't hurt readability either. Ignoring that How about irrelevance to the topic? Did you come here to troll or are you just bored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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