Warframe Stagnant Because De Listen To Too Many People Complaining About The Suggestions Of Complainers?

[Innocent_Flower]

Parody title aside, this might be an issue. 

 

 

 

Weapon X needs a nerf, weapon Y needs a buff. 

- It's fine as it is. Or You used the nerf word. No more nerfs. NO MORE NEEEEERRRRFS 

 

The balance here is broken, please fix this

I grinded hard to get this item/bought it with real money. Everyone should suffer like I did/That Item I suffered for should remain OP. 

 

This guy is too hard/too easy

Get gud or don't use good weapons. 

 

prices are silly and few would buy them. Doesn't make sense from an economic  standpoint. 

DE need to make money.  They business. Prices stay high

 

This part of the game is flawed and needs improvement (or removal.)

no cause it's DE's vision. 

 

There are lots of threads about how kubrows aren't great.

Let's make threads on how great kubrows are. LOTS OF THEM. Everyone needs to hear my white knighting!! 

 

 

Even absolutely ridiculous things that you couldn't possibly argue with get rebuttal. 

"These status chance mods are so weak that they're not worth using. They offer 2.5% status chance per level maxing out at 15%. Meanwhile there are cheaper mods giving 15% per rank. "

They're fine and don't need to change. 

 

 

 

How does that kind of behavior benefit the game? The most productive feedback threads are from people who have problems with the game. and yet there are people trying to discredit genuine feedback? Why? 

Edited July 28, 2014 by Innocent_Flower

[Dalu__Ka]

So, now you are complaining about people complaining about complaining people.

[Renegade343]

Oh dear. This would not go down too well. No offence. 

[Morgax]

Everyone has different opinion, these things tend to clash, we are not drones in ant colony living with a single purpose.

 

So, what is exactly are you trying to say?

Edited July 28, 2014 by Morgax

[Innocent_Flower]

So, now you are complaining about people complaining about complaining people.

Your powers of observation are most impressive. 

[manub]

So what? we sh*t the hell up & keep playing with some broken mechanics?

There are sometimes whiners & trolls about things, doesn t mean everything is perfect & DE can t use some feedback.

 

Do you rly think everyone in the world must absolutely have the same opinion as youon how the game should be steered?

Thread dilution is an issue but did you read every thread in the forum?

Market can be expensive but are you a founder that gave money for the game? or do you think the whole planet works pro bono?

[ArgonTheFox]

People only speak to complain. Very rarely do people discuss things they like. If somebody is content with something, they won't post. If someone dislikes something, they will post about it to try and get it changed. Or get trolled in the process.

 

There are people that enjoy Warframe, you just don't see them, because they're busy enjoying the game.

[HitPointPredator]

If there weren't anyone complaining, it would mean one out of two things.

1) The game is Perfect.

2) The game is dead.

And I am unsure if 1) will ever happen.

[manub]

& how is the game stagnant, pray? There are updates with new content/bu fixes nearly every week

It will surely be taken badly but your post sounds "i m always right so nod your assent & sh*t up you id*iots"

This game isn t perfect ok, but it is DE & community s efforts that made it possible, they even let players design some weapons & ennemies for god s sake

Don t look down on everyone s efforts man

[Noobstein]

OP, I'm starting to agree with you more and more. Nice one, my only regret is that I can't +2.

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

How does that kind of behavior benefit the game? The most productive feedback threads are from people who have problems with the game. and yet there are people trying to discredit genuine feedback? Why? 

Feedback is a discussion. Not everyone agrees and they have various reasons why they don't. I'm sure you've disagreed with something placed in a feedback category at one time or another. We are not limited to agreeing with the OP if we are going to post (however, if they aren't behaving maturely, just report them and a moderator will come take care of it.)

[StinkyPygmy]

Probably because a vast amount of people complaining are doing just that. Complaining.

 

Thats not constructive or feed back.

In fact, its normally just filled with unwarranted Dev bashing and general assumptions that the rest of the player base feels the same as they do.

Its self entitled whining.

You will notice that whenever there is a constructive and thought out thread discussing an issue people respond more positively even if they don't agree (assuming they bothered to read and comprehend properly as well).

 

Thats why complaint threads are frowned upon. Because they are pointless and unhelpful.

I love the irony behind the term "white knighting".

When the usual whiners and negative Nancies show up, suddenly saying anything positive or not abusing DE because they tickled your precious "weapon X, frame x", is a bad thing and you are a "white Knight".

 

It makes me giggle every time.

 

TL;DR

Whenever there is a constructive and genuine complaint or issue, people are more likely to play nice.

Edited July 28, 2014 by StinkyPygmy

[manub]

this is a community game, you won t have the same opinion about a topic than the person next to you, deal with it

Edited July 28, 2014 by manub

[Letter13]

Welcome to the internet/forums/wherever.

 

It's dangerous to go alone, take this:

 

No but really. Gigantic community, very active forums, it's going to be impossible to not see all sorts of people. There are those that will argue for the sake of arguing (no matter how flawless their opponent's logic is), those who will play the skeptic or Devil's Advocate (I like to play this role), those who honestly like everything there is about the game and those who can't help but dislike everything about the game (and yet still wind up playing).

 

All sorts of people. Welcome to pretty much any forum anywhere.

[Davoodoo]

Ive seen some of most hilarious arguments on these forums.

-"its pve it doesnt need balancing"

-"we want to make game harder, but dont nerf anything", permament cc and ridiculous dmg prevent that but hey we need bigger numbers.

-"50% dmg increase isnt worth getting", when talking about reducing mods power.

-"warframe have perfect weapon tiering", yes someone actually said that

and biggest gem ever

-"its f2p standard", i cant even describe how bad such mindset is.

[nyiinx]

I do agree with you.
It's a beta, and they WILL listen to feedback, but if everything is just "nerf this nerf that" and stuff, how are they ever going to see suggestions and solutions amid the sea of complaints?

Sure, Kubrows are pretty horrible now, but I know they're working on it and so I'll be patient.

If I were DEstaff I'd get pretty annoyed at whining and blatant complaining.

[vaugahn]

This is taking metacomplaint to a whole new level. Like a meta-metacomplaint.

 

But like Letter13 said, this game has gotten pretty big. You see all kinds of people on the forums now.

[LostCody]

They don't listen too any one post,it would be stupid too.

that's why they have community mangers,DE look at all the posts about a subject good or bad then they use there own judgment on that info too make a decision.

anything they decide too use there time too address probably deserves it.

Edited July 29, 2014 by LostCody

[gallowsCalibrator]

I thought this was that thread again. I was pleasantly surprised.

[LascarCapable]

Cleaned the thread a bit.

[DSpite]

 

How does that kind of behavior benefit the game? The most productive feedback threads are from people who have problems with the game. and yet there are people trying to discredit genuine feedback? Why? 

 

"Genuine Feedback" ???

 

I don't go posting my feelings in topics that sound like genuine feedback. I normally go nitpick in the ones that sound like people asking for stupid, massive changes.

 

Feedback would be "I have been using mechanic X, I have been having problems in A B C because of X Y Z. Is this intended", and not "the new content does not fit me so here is what needs to be done to fix it".

 

I can understand someone posting "my Kubrow keeps getting killed, am I doing something wrong", but not "my Kubrow is getting killed it needs buffing to fix the problem".

 

I have seen multiple page posts from people that describe a total rework of a particular frame or mechanic. Yes, THAT will go down well, it's basically saying "I think you made such massive mistake that only a complete scrapping and remake will fix it", I think that will annoy a few devs don't you think?

 

If we were all pumping large amounts of monthly cash into this game, then just maybe we'd have more say, until that happens, how about we at least play new stuff for a month before sending in MASSIVE changes as "suggestions"?

 

Just because some people have "problems with the game" does not mean everyone else also has, so it does not make even reasonable suggestions into ones worth implementing.

[Voidcrash]

I have seen multiple page posts from people that describe a total rework of a particular frame or mechanic. Yes, THAT will go down well, it's basically saying "I think you made such massive mistake that only a complete scrapping and remake will fix it", I think that will annoy a few devs don't you think?

 

Or they might read it, think about it, and see what customer reactions are to the suggestion.

 

Instead of getting vaguely "annoyed" at customer feedback and doing nothing about it.

[fatpig84]

That is why DE should listen more to founders, but then people will yell again for being P2W XD

[Liminal]

I won't say any names, but there are lots of people basically saying "Keep feedback to yourselves, let's keep the status quo just because".

 

Gotta admire their conviction that the game is already perfect. This place almost feels like the Dota2 Dev forums.

[Liminal]

TL;DR

Whenever there is a constructive and genuine complaint or issue, people are more likely to play nice.

I wish I could believe that, but there are way too many "learn2play", "get farming" and "go trading" responses to properly developed threads. 

 

 

[Oops double post. I forgot I couldn't delete my stuff.]

Edited July 29, 2014 by The_Doc