Is Very Short Height A Recessive Trait That Was Turned Off?

[Mak_Gohae]

So far every time i've bred a Kub from prints the result comes out taller than the parents, even when i used two prints from tiny kubrows.

Was short height a recessive trait that was turned off that you can no longer achieve from prints?

The only option being random attempt?

 

Anyone got a short kub from prints?

[SquirmyBurrito]

I have had a kubrow that came out shorter than both of his parents. But that was a few updates back. Recently all of my Kubrows have been massive.

 

Edit: will include pics pics added.

 

Parents-

 

Child-

 

My next project (after succesfully breeding a huge muscular kubrow) was going to be breeding a tiny kubrow. Thanks for the potential heads up to hold off.

Edited July 31, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito

[-CM-Asmud]

Try getting two imprints of the same kubrow. I bred two big and muscular different kubrows but only got a tiny muscular one. In the end, I bred two of the same kubrow imprints and got the size that I wanted.

[Muffle]

I wouldn't mind a very short kubrow. I would name him Stumpy and he would be mine and he would be my Stumpy. 

[Mak_Gohae]

Try getting two imprints of the same kubrow. I bred two big and muscular different kubrows but only got a tiny muscular one. In the end,

 

Was this before or after the change?

 

I bred two of the same kubrow imprints and got the size that I wanted.

 

I guess this is what im going to have to try next.

[Mak_Gohae]

I wouldn't mind a very short kubrow. I would name him Stumpy and he would be mine and he would be my Stumpy. 

 

Yes, this is clearly the other reason for this. Several names are being left unused because we can achieve the correct height.

[Mak_Gohae]

Anyone got any updates on this?

I just bred a tall female and a short male and i got pretty much a copy of the father in colors.

Waiting to see the result on height.

 

So far two taller Kubs means a taller kub and two tiny kubs gave me a medium kub.

[Mak_Gohae]

Anyone got any updates on this?

I just bred a tall female and a short male and i got pretty much a copy of the father in colors.

Waiting to see the result on height.

 

So far two taller Kubs means a taller kub and two tiny kubs gave me a medium kub.

 

The result from this was a kub a bit taller than the short male.

 

 

Try getting two imprints of the same kubrow. I bred two big and muscular different kubrows but only got a tiny muscular one. In the end, I bred two of the same kubrow imprints and got the size that I wanted.

 

In another thread some one mentioned the same thing. I guess i might have to try this at some point.

[Mak_Gohae]

You,my friend,are entirely wrong. If you combine a big Kubrow imprint with a Skinny Kubrow imprint, you will get either one of the two,i.e,either big or skinny. It doesnt combine and give an average size.

You have to understand that though it is named as breeding,the Kubrow breeding mechanism is based on famous RNG of Warframe. When you mix 2 different Kubrow imprints,every trait has a 50% chance to be present in the new Kubrow. But it is NOT REAL-LIFE GENETICS. It wont combine and give a mixed result.

 

I havent bred as many kubs as others but from my experience every time i mix kubs i've gotten a combination. 

In fact, for my Sahasa i bred a tallest average female with a tiny bulk male and got a medium/short height medium built male that has the same colors as the dad but with a pattern which comes from the mother. Before that i used two tiny skinny males and i have a standard medium/short that look exactly like the pattern of one of the patterns but with a different color.

 

I seems like i am lucky with RNG.

[NN13]

I havent bred as many kubs as others but from my experience every time i mix kubs i've gotten a combination. 

In fact, for my Sahasa i bred a tallest average female with a tiny bulk male and got a medium/short height medium built male that has the same colors as the dad but with a pattern which comes from the mother. Before that i used two tiny skinny males and i have a standard medium/short that look exactly like the pattern of one of the patterns but with a different color.

 

I seems like i am lucky with RNG.

Ok,I will give a detailed insight of what info I gathered from my 17 breedings+ few of my friends'.

 

First and foremost, these are not possible even when you mix imprints of 2 different Kubrows(or I haven't seen one yet)-

1. Lotus Symbol+Tiger Stripes

2. Lotus Symbol+X-Mark(Pretty obvious,you cant fit 2 headmark on one head,lol)

3. Lotus Symbol+Polka Dots(Prominent dots i.e.)-> You cant have Lotus with this--> http://imgur.com/a/D5ciH#0

4. Lotus Symbol+Striped Legs(aka Zebra Legs)

 

You can have these-

1. X-Mark on head+Striped Legs

2. Lotus Mark on head+ V-mark on the back+minor stripes near throat and forelegs. Something like this--> http://imgur.com/a/DFxlo#0

 

Now, body size and height.

Many people(including you) confuse body size/build with height.

Height is 100% RNG. It maybe tall,medium or short. It does not depend on imprints used.

Here are pics of Tall and Medium height Kubrows(Don't have a Short one)--> http://imgur.com/a/Jd3iV#0

 

Now,the body size.

There can be 3 body sizes- Bulky,Athletic Build and Skinny. This is where the debate is going on. Some say it is stored in Imprints,while others say it is not stored.

From my experience,I say it is not stored,because on multiple occasions I got a different body type than the parent Kubrow.

Edited August 5, 2014 by NN13

[Mak_Gohae]

Ok,I will give a detailed insight of what info I gathered from my 17 breedings+ few of my friends'.

 

First and foremost, these are not possible even when you mix imprints of 2 different Kubrows(or I haven't seen one yet)-

1. Lotus Symbol+Tiger Stripes

2. Lotus Symbol+X-Mark(Pretty obvious,you cant fit 2 headmark on one head,lol)

3. Lotus Symbol+Polka Dots(Prominent dots i.e.)-> You cant have Lotus with this--> http://imgur.com/a/D5ciH#0

4. Lotus Symbol+Striped Legs(aka Zebra Legs)

 

You can have these-

1. X-Mark on head+Striped Legs

2. Lotus Mark on head+ V-mark on the back+minor stripes near throat and forelegs. Something like this--> http://imgur.com/a/DFxlo#0

 

Now, body size and height.

Many people(including you) confuse body size/build with height.

Height is 100% RNG. It maybe tall,medium or short. It does not depend on imprints used.

Here are pics of Tall and Short height Kubrows(Don't have a Medium one)--> http://imgur.com/a/Jd3iV#0

 

Now,the body size.

There can be 3 body sizes- Bulky,Athletic Build and Skinny. This is where the debate is going on. Some say it is stored in Imprints,while others say it is not stored.

From my experience,I say it is not stored,because on multiple occasions I got a different body type than the parent Kubrow.

 

This is from my latest Sahasa breeding

 

 

Mother had Lotus symbol, dad was plain two-toned, he came out like dad with tiger stripes.

 

Now that i am seeing the son, on the right, he is the same height as the father which is medium.

What you list as short in your example is actually medium, there a height that is shorter than that for the standard build.

The difference is small but it's there.

Edited August 5, 2014 by Mak_Gohae

[NN13]

What you list as short in your example is actually medium, there a height that is shorter than that for the standard build.

The difference is small but it's there.

Ah,I see....Will edit it. Don't have a shorter one,so couldn't compare. =)

[SquirmyBurrito]

To potentially help out this thread I'm going to feed my max height (but skinny) lotus symbol and my medium height (and medium build) black kubrow to the RNGods. More info is always a good thing I guess. I've got about an hour until the lotus marked one's imprint is done.

Here are the parents: http://i.imgur.com/032m7Hr.jpg  http://i.imgur.com/bxxa7Wh.jpg

Edited August 5, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito

[Mak_Gohae]

Ah,I see....Will edit it. Don't have a shorter one,so couldn't compare. =)

 

Here's the different that is almost impossible to tell

 

 

I actually have a vid where i compare two short to that medium if you dont believe that there is a difference. 

It almost looks like DE messed up a number somewhere cause the difference is basically nothing.

 

Anyway, here are pic of my Raksa.

 

You know.... AAARRRGHHHHH! The heights are driving me nuts.

It looks like there are it an actual medium medium!

These are supposed to be two skinny small and it gave me this medium height thing which is way taller than that medium standard build!

 

 

Result on the left. Looks exactly like parent one except it's black instead of dark brown. The black it got from the second parent that had black shading.

 

We need some sort of measuring program to tell the heights because this is all nuts.

We need that dojo room were we could spawn stuff and use it to spawn these thing to get data.

Edited August 5, 2014 by Mak_Gohae

[SquirmyBurrito]

I've got a really short blue sunika, I think she's the shortest they can get. IIRC she's shorter than/the same height as the defense pod.

 

[Mak_Gohae]

I've got a really short blue sunika, I think she's the shortest they can get. IIRC she's shorter than/the same height as the defense pod.

 

 

 

 

 

Is that a male or female?

Cause if that is a male that's actually short skinny and i have been using short standard.

I've only had one kub that skinny and it was a female but it was tall.

Edited August 5, 2014 by Mak_Gohae

[SquirmyBurrito]

Is that a male or female?

Cause if that is a male that's actually short skinny and i have been using short standard.

I've only had one kub that skinny and it was a female but it was tall.

 

Female, yep she has the same skinny physique that her father had.

[Mak_Gohae]

yes I did... and I can prove it if you want...

 

On this pic, the "parent" one is Aessa, the biggest one on the right. Notice the female gave birth to a male.

 

And here is my Raksa Cabal :

 

and his son :

 

Did you use the same print twice?

Cause there are reports out there that using the same print can do that.

I have been using different prints and with different prints it has not given one shorter than the shortest parent.

I have an example above with the Sahasa.

With different prints so far is equal than the shortest parent or taller.

 

 

Female, yep she has the same skinny physique that her father had.

 

Do you have a pic of the dad?

[SquirmyBurrito]

Did you use the same print twice?

Cause there are reports out there that using the same print can do that.

I have been using different prints and with different prints it has not given one shorter than the shortest parent.

I have an example above with the Sahasa.

With different prints so far is equal than the shortest parent or taller.

 

 

 

Do you have a pic of the dad?

 

Here is a pic of the dead 

But on that underlined bit, I actually had a kubrow that came out shorter than both of its parents. This was pre-color fix though.

 

 

Does order matter when you do an incubation from prints? I ask because I just did that combination I was talking about earlier, I put the lotus one first and I got basically a carbon copy of the lotus one. 

Edited August 5, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito

[Mak_Gohae]

 

Does order matter when you do an incubation from prints? I ask because I just did that combination I was talking about earlier, I put the lotus one first and I got basically a carbon copy of the lotus one. 

 

When it comes to color i dont think so.

In my posts above the Raksa was a copy of the first print i put in but for the Sahasa he came out looking like the second print. He did gain stripes which came from the first. 

[Onisa]

When it comes to color i dont think so.

In my posts above the Raksa was a copy of the first print i put in but for the Sahasa he came out looking like the second print. He did gain stripes which came from the first. 

The father does have stripes, there's just not much contrast between the yellow and grey. I've noticed that all striped Kubrows have that 'pointed mask' marking going on, so that may be an indicator of hidden stripes.

[SquirmyBurrito]

When it comes to color i dont think so.

In my posts above the Raksa was a copy of the first print i put in but for the Sahasa he came out looking like the second print. He did gain stripes which came from the first. 

 

I guess I just got lucky this time (as much as I would have loved another black kubrow, I didn't want to run out of lotus print imprints, they're too expensive to just buy), I have a bad feeling it is going to come out short and skinny though... Maybe if I'm lucky it will give both parents' the finger and turn out bulky.

[-CM-Asmud]

From over breeding same kubrow imprints I can confirm that:

 

1. Even if you use the same imprints, only the colour of the fur will be copied.

2. Sizes vary from size 1 (miniature) to size 5 (tallest, where their nose touch the "companion imprints" sign)

3. Sex sometimes changes i.e. two male imprints can sometimes produce female kubrow.

[Mak_Gohae]

 

From over breeding same kubrow imprints I can confirm that:

 

1. Even if you use the same imprints, only the colour of the fur will be copied.

2. Sizes vary from size 1 (miniature) to size 5 (tallest, where their nose touch the "companion imprints" sign)

3. Sex sometimes changes i.e. two male imprints can sometimes produce female kubrow.

 

 

Yeah, i just got a female from two males in my last attempt