Come De, Its Time To Balance Our Economy Out

[Magnagar]

Ever since day one, WARFRAME has been apart of me like no other F2P game out there.  I'm a Master Founder and have also purchased both Ember's and Loki's top tiers Access Prime and more for the love and support of this game  It's impeccable unique features with crafting and upgrading has definitely gave me the desires to progress and see what new things DE has to offer it's community user base.  But lets face it, it's tedious not-so-grindable idiosyncrasy is an exacerbated scheme.  Have you guys tried to get your friends to play WARFRAME and see them get turned away once they realize they can't purchase warframe slots without spending money?

 

 

-Jon(WF Veteran) "Hey man, lets go kill Tyl Regor a few times to farm those ASH parts."

-Steve(New Player)"Okay, I'm up for it, but I'm full on warframe slots. How do I get platinum?"

 

-Jon(WF Veteran) "Well the only option for you would be to buy it with real money. You can grind and can sell items on trade chat, but I don't think your ready for that yet "

-Steve(New Player)"Oh... well I'll be on later, gonna go play Skyrim."

 

 

Lame.....He gives up warframe because he knew it was inevitable.

 

 

I mean come people, be realistic. For a new user to start playing and finally being able to get to their 4th frame, there is no way for them to get extra slots without actually spending money.  Now, don't start saying about the trading channel, because we all know how that system is. Its not an option for new users since they can't just start farming desirable mods or prime parts because of how insufficient their gear is.  Plus the whole trading system sucks. On the first week, when a new prime weapon is released, its definitely worth the farm because of HYPE. A month passes and the HYPE diminishes, that prime weapon is worth just as much as the previous items or even sometimes less. A constant negotiation with sometimes reasonable and unreasonable players is another reason why platinum is sacred currency.

 

 

The whole point of warframe's F2P was originally told, "Everything is obtainable in-game through grinds. If you wanted to progress faster or get cosmetics, you pay ahead"

 

The whole slogan "Ninjas Play Free" is deceiving and a stratagem tactic.

 

A great method in fooling people who once start getting into this game will realize this and log out and probably never come back.  Which to me is a sad thing, because, well, I want them to play this amazing game that they are not seeing good and missing out on incredible experience.

 

 

We need a balance. A balance between in-game and premium currency. A method that makes credits actually viable besides using it for fusing cores, building and DNA Stabilizers. A way to either "PAY AHEAD or GRIND" your way into progression as a F2P game should be.  Even tho PLANETSIDE 2 has a scheme of their own, at least giving the users an option to either pay your way or keep playing excessively just to obtain an upgradable weapon is at least fair to players who are poor and can't afford to spend real money to get.

 

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Here are some ideas I came up with to maybe help out our WARFRAME community to do it the old fashion way.  Whether it may seem extreme to you or not, at least the option is better to have then not.

 

 

For example, Warframe slots.

A way to obtain it without platinum

 

Hey look!, a way to obtain a warframe slot without using real money!. 2,000,000 credits is a bit extreme, but at least you can get it through warframe's in-game currency. That way players would need to do some credit grinding and stop upgrading for slots. This can go the same for Reactors, Catalysts and Formas.  Why the hell not?

 

 

 

Another thing that is bothersome is why in the world are Icons only platinum purchases?

 

example:

A way to obtain avatar icons for your profile without using actual platinum?

 

 

 

Here's another idea

 

 

I know cosmetics were said that they are premium purchases only. But what about doing the same method I did before? (Keep in mind its just an example.

 

 

 

Would the idea be fair?

 

 

Also another thing I'd like to point out, there is no other way to gain platinum with credits but a way to gain credits from platinum?

 

examples:

 

 

Maybe increase the amount of credits costs for platinum from the image. Maybe 50,000,000 credits for 50 platinum? Would this even be a viable option?

 

 

 

 

 

The other thing I think would be good is a change to our trading system.  An Auction House.

 

 

A place where we can set BIDS and BUYOUTS to our likings. A simple set it and forget it method where platinum wouldn't be so sacred and giving the user a better chance at obtaining this currency.

 

Trade chat has big limitations.. You can only advertise every 150 seconds and are also limited to the amount of items you can post each time.. With an Auction House, all that goes away.  Maybe have a limit to how many items you can post in AH? Maybe players with higher mastery rank can post more?

 

Anyway, Feedback away!!

 

EDIT: Some ideas you may take with a grain of salt, but having an outrageous amount in credits to purchase items instead of platinum would be a nice feature.  Just tryin to be reasonable and not hurt DE's revenue at the sametime.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Magnagar

[Tulzscha]

Please read and understand:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/204165-read-before-posting-threads-what-is-and-isnt-a-general-discussion/

 

Moved to the proper section.

[Dark5eiD]

2mil credits for a warframe slot...puff puff give

a new user would be better of buying $5 worth of plat

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

Cosmetics and slots are DE's moneymaker. Though the idea is appealing, I would only enjoy seeing it because that would mean they are making enough to sustain themselves.

[SeaUrchins]

Who would buy platinum if everything could be purchasable with credits?

[warthogger14]

I like this system idea, even thought of something along these lines, but that credit price would have to be WAY higher to really balance out.

players that have been playing awile like me have more credits than we know to do with. My credits are about 4mil after my serrartion max and I know for sure there are people with probably 3x that

[-dicht.ThanksFrost-]

I like the Idea.

 

But if only warframe was fun enough to farm for those 1 million credits. It's just every level feels like a mindless interaction even if its slightly harder to kill things, it's boring. There is no depth.

 

If DE made something that keep people playing and made the game more fun instead of shoveling us with new content it would be better and your friend would probably stay because it's fun. Your friend should not keep playing because he is able to get ash, he should want to keep playing because the game is fun.

 

But in it's current state, WF is not fun. Its Leveling and grinding and farming.

[MegpoidBeetle]

About slots, I think it'd be a better idea if every time one level up their Mastery Rank they get to choose whether to get an additional Warframe or weapon slot.

[Shreiko]

I feel by the time a new player has crafted their third warframe and maxed ranked them they would be in too deep. Surely you know this?

[hijinks_the_turtle]

I like this system idea, even thought of something along these lines, but that credit price would have to be WAY higher to really balance out.

players that have been playing awile like me have more credits than we know to do with. My credits are about 4mil after my serrartion max and I know for sure there are people with probably 3x that

 

 

That's waaaaaay too expensive.  The newbies like me wouldn't even be able to like the game if the grind is that extreme.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

You should unlock a warframe slot every 5 mastery ranks.

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

So many things popping up in this thread I disagree with.

#abandonThread

I feel to be the gross minority and I'd rather not be the dainty #2 to a one-sided argument.

[Chaosdreamer]

Seem nice idea , and finaly something real to spend our credit , anyway you got hit by tulzabot (and whoever rep up that kind of post just UH)

[Kaian-a-coel]

DE needs to make money. Plain and simple.

[Turnoverman]

This removes all incentive to get platinum. It's not impossible to get another warframe when you have three, you just have to give up one you already have. The cosmetics for credits are completely out of line. They can't make money if there's nothing to spend platinum on.

[Tsukinoki]

The credit costs would have to be *much* higher than what you're suggesting to make sense from a business standpoint.
Because honestly: why would anyone ever buy plat if they could just use credits for everything?

How many people are currently sitting on millions of credits with nothing to spend it on?  Since for the most part credits aren't used that much and you get tons of them.  I mean in 25 minutes of a DS mission you can get 100K credits.  Getting 2 million wouldn't take that long at all.  If it cost closer to 10 million, then it would be a fairer price for DE.

They have to make money someway.  They aren't a charity.

And leave the cosmetics for plat only.
No one *needs* them.  So why should free players be able to get them?

Edited August 1, 2014 by Tsukinoki

[Tr1ples1xer]

If everything is free DE gets no moneyz, if DE gets no moneyz there is no game.

 

I don't agree with every decision DE makes but they NEED money like every business ever.

[hijinks_the_turtle]

DE needs to make money. Plain and simple.

They should make money off of cosmetics NOT slots.  It's seriously terrible that people have to use trading just to get slots.  Heck, I'd rather have them lock cosmetic changes with plat instead of something so important like slots.

 

OR

 

They could increase the amount of slots that people start off with.

Edited August 1, 2014 by hijinks_the_turtle

[Archeyef]

Or, y'know, the already suggested idea of certain mastery ranks giving slots. I see Flame already suggested that, and I support it too. Maybe more like 3 or 4, but the core idea I support.

 

Edit: Also, is it not within your power to spot your friend 20 plat for a frame slot? I mean, I assume you're a fair way into the game, and you're pretty much set. Pass your friend some plat. Or sell some stuff to get the plat, even though they themselves can't, and give it to them. If you don't like the in-game trade chat (which I totally understand), try the forum trading post.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Archeyef

[Liu_Cypher]

I have purchased the top Loki Prime package and multiple plat packages, so I have not had to deal with the shortage of slots personally. I have a wife and 2 sons that play as well and none of them have spent a dime on the game. They are casual gamers and would rather spend their money on new toys, books, etc. They are managing to play fine without any kind of investment.

 

I agree to an extent that it is tougher for new players with a lack of ability to trade, but they do give every new account 50 free plat which purchases an additional 2 frame slots.

 

New players can join a clan and get into some of the better farming missions without having to grind to get to them via "Taxi". I can say that it is wholly possible to reach t-1 to t-4 content without ever purchasing an additional slot. That being said farming for prime parts/mods/etc is a very viable option for those who wish to play the game for free. Making all "Premium" features available for credits is not the answer.

 

Time or Money, seems to be working fine in my opinion. .

Edited August 1, 2014 by Liu_Cypher

[warthogger14]

That's waaaaaay too expensive.  The newbies like me wouldn't even be able to like the game if the grind is that extreme.

and there lies a problem, finding a spot between rich veterans and poor recruits

 

as you said turtle, the best way of imputting this would be to limit this to slots and maybe profile pics. Color pallets and all cosmetics would still need to be buyable or gotten from alerts(my triton helm where are you? ;~;) but that still is taking from a chunk of income for DE though

Edited August 1, 2014 by warthogger14

[BoomyGordo]

You should unlock a warframe slot every 5 mastery ranks.

 

so much this!

[Magnagar]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Definitely agree on increasing the creditS to an outrageous amount so that DE can make money at the sametime.  I agree also on the fact that cosmetics should be platinum only. I just wanted to see what my suggestion would tinker if there was an option.  If prya syandana was 500,000,000 credits, I think that would be a fair thing, but then again DE needs the money so ya, premium only.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Magnagar

[hijinks_the_turtle]

About slots, I think it'd be a better idea if every time one level up their Mastery Rank they get to choose whether to get an additional Warframe or weapon slot.

This should be a thing.

[Mirriky]

DE wouldn't survive like this. So a no from me