TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) For the longest time I have been reading a few arguments on the forum when monetization comes into play, most of the time the loyal fanbase will point out that Warframe is always in dire need of monetary support so I decided to take the total number of users once mentioned by DE to try to guess how much the game could have made at a certain point. So, the base is having 10 million users, we will assume every user buys 75 platinum once or the equivalent for $9.99, then we will be really pessimistic and assume 1000 users always buy a Prime Access bundle (4000 users total), and then we put on a presumably confirmed quantity of 20 founder's packs sold (need better sources), finally we will compare with the budget for the making of Star Wars: The Old Republic which is to date the most expensive MMO made as far as I know which is $250,000,000 aprox. 10,000,000 Users x $9.99 (75p with no discount) = $99,900,000 $49.99 (Prime Access 1050p) x1000 Recurrent Users x 4 = $199,960 $79.99 (Prime Access 2625p) x1000 Recurrent Usersx4 = $319,960 $139.99 (Prime Access 3990) x1000 Recurret Users x4 = $559,960 $49.99 (Prime Accessories) x1000 Recurrent Users x4 = $199,960 $249.99 (Founders Pack) x20 Founders Confirmed = $4,980 $388,000 from the Grand Masters Program. Total: $101,184,820 Total: $101,567,840 It would be rather useful to know how much this takes on taxes, salaries, expenses and more or less how it is used and how much it gets back on average, of course, I just have these rough numbers so I wish I could have more info even if I am only doing basic math. What do you think people? it may be useful to know how exactly DE would need monetary support, specially when people insist one doesn't need to spend real money on the game at all, that would spell bad news for DE in the long run, wouldn't it? Edited August 11, 2014 by VanFanel1980mx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdart Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 inb4 hundreds defend DE endlessly Chances are we will never know exactly how they use this money because it's "not the players business". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 inb4 hundreds defend DE endlessly Chances are we will never know exactly how they use this money because it's "not the players business". I really think it should be a player's business, specially when there is something like a founder's program, let's be fair, founders should be entitled to some kind of report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakatone Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 does steam also take a certain percentage if players purchase through steam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayerNone Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 What I really want to know is, where do these player numbers come from. I know 7 million tenno was being thrown around for awhile, which I felt was ludicrous. But 10 million? How could anyone ever arrive at that number when Steam charts have yet to go over 50k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Im confused about some of the numbers, where did you hear only 20 founder packs were sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVENTUS Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 They be chillin on that cash flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 does steam also take a certain percentage if players purchase through steam? That's a good question, I forgot to consider numbers coming from starter packs so I decided to round up to one purchase of basic platinum instead. Im confused about some of the numbers, where did you hear only 20 founder packs were sold. When I was asking around they mentioned something about 20 solar marks or the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's a good question, I forgot to consider numbers coming from starter packs so I decided to round up to one purchase of basic platinum instead. When I was asking around they mentioned something about 20 solar marks or the like. Ahh okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Ahh okay I would like anyone who would contribute with better sources to do so, I doubt there are only 20 Excalibur Prime's running around, as for the regular plat purchases I can't be sure, and then I keep asking, how much is it supposed to go on taxes alone? now that we got the whole PWE issue it would be even more useful to know how could DE consider selling out to a company after trying to figure out the projected profits from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immolator1001 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Ya these are just random numbers. Like 10 million people buying $10 each is where you get 99% of how much money you claim they have made. Seriously you just made up numbers we really can't make any speculations about how much money they've made from guesses If you really want answers I'd say look for company reports. Edited August 11, 2014 by immolator1001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I would like anyone who would contribute with better sources to do so, I doubt there are only 20 Excalibur Prime's running around, as for the regular plat purchases I can't be sure, and then I keep asking, how much is it supposed to go on taxes alone? now that we got the whole PWE issue it would be even more useful to know how could DE consider selling out to a company after trying to figure out the projected profits from the game. Well If I were you I would avoid talking about it outside of the official pwe thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Ya these are just random numbers. Like 10 million people buying $10 each is where you get 99% of how much money you claim they have made. Seriously you just made up numbers we really can't make any speculations about how much money they've made from guesses If you really want answers I'd say look for company reports. The 10m comes from that gamescom report, but we can just reduce it to the 7m mentioned on a stream, the purchase would be basically the minimum to make up for the ones who buy platinum regularly and the ones who never buy platinum at all, you are a founder right? do you know how many founders there are or what was the price of your founder's pack? Well If I were you I would avoid talking about it outside of the officail pwe thread so you dont get your thread closed or whatever happens. Yeah, I only mentioned it because it is kind of related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinDevil Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I really think it should be a player's business, specially when there is something like a founder's program, let's be fair, founders should be entitled to some kind of report. They are entitled to the exclusive content they paid for. Most sales are probably made through 50% or 75% plat discounts and prime access. There is a ton of plat around not being used and it's pretty easy to get through trading. And then there are players like me who haven't spent a dime. I've been here since closed beta and I have no intention of spending money on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Taking the most official number back in March 2014 is 4 million+ Tenno. For most F2P MMOs, payers only make up 3% to 10% of the total population. That is 400 thousand payers, if optimistic. Removing the founders and prime access fellows who make up a mere 20% (they pay an average of $80), you are left with 320K players. Who usually don't pay more than $20 to $30 bucks. This is a lot more reasonable. And don't forget, the vastly inflated account figures don't count for anything, as there are TONS of Alt accounts. Edited August 11, 2014 by fatpig84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rd0se Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think you're being a bit too low with those numbers. I honestly think they made much more than that. Point is, that people are clearly missing, they don't desperately need money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 They are entitled to the exclusive content they paid for. Most sales are probably made through 50% or 75% plat discounts and prime access. There is a ton of plat around not being used and it's pretty easy to get through trading. And then there are players like me who haven't spent a dime. I've been here since closed beta and I have no intention of spending money on the game. Yep, that's the kind of info that we would need to find accurate numbers so we could more or less have the right info to not fall into the "P2W vs DE's Starving" argument and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Taking the most official number back in March 2014 is 4 million+ Tenno. For most F2P MMOs, payers only make up 3% to 10% of the total population. That is 400 thousand payers, if optimistic. Removing the founders and prime access fellows who make up a mere 20% (they pay an average of $80), you are left with 320K players. Who usually don't pay more than $20 to $30 bucks. This is a lot more reasonable. And don't forget, the vastly inflated account figures don't count for anything, as there are TONS of Alt accounts. http://www.eslgaming.com/interview/stay-honorable-warframe%E2%80%99s-path-gamescom-2014 This is one source, yeah, there are alternate accounts but consider that DE mentions they get more people each day so we could assume they make up for the alts in an increasing manner at least. Edited August 11, 2014 by VanFanel1980mx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think you're being a bit too low with those numbers. I honestly think they made much more than that. Point is, that people are clearly missing, they don't desperately need money. I am not being low at all. You might see a lot of founders here, but it is widely accepted that forum goers don't even make 5% of the gaming population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Let's not forget Warframe is not DE's only source of income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullmetal_Underpants Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 inb4 hundreds defend DE endlessly Chances are we will never know exactly how they use this money because it's "not the players business". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is one source, yeah, there are alternate accounts but consider that DE mentions they get more people each day so we could assume they make up for the alts in an increasing manner at least. Personally I know of players who try all 3 starter frames just to feel the difference. Plenty of rank 0 and rank 1s admit that to me. Even among higher ranked players, there are some who are quite frank on this. If DE wants to be accurate, they should be tracking on how many people login at least once a month. Rather than just total figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 If DE wants to be accurate, they should be tracking on how many people login at least once a month. Rather than just total figures. This is for online players via steam. http://www.steamcharts.com/app/230410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is for online players via steam. http://www.steamcharts.com/app/230410 Doesn't seem a lot eh ? Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioMegaManX Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Personally I know of players who try all 3 starter frames just to feel the difference. Plenty of rank 0 and rank 1s admit that to me. Even among higher ranked players, there are some who are quite frank on this. If DE wants to be accurate, they should be tracking on how many people login at least once a month. Rather than just total figures. I completely agree, in any case the point is to try to figure out what's the real problem with monetization, I mean, they need to sustain the game and all, but for that to happen the game needs to give them a certain amount, earlier today I was reading about the prices of pre-crafted gear being a little too high and some not even updated like the Stalker Bundle, so there should be a reason they are unable to lower the prices to increase the sales even though people still think the game is actually pressuring them to buy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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