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OP, decide your own role. Just because DE aren't saying "Now listen up children, you play the game the way we want you to play it " Doesn't mean there aren't any roles.

 

Taking your Rhino example, my Rhino is built for duration based CC. His Iron skin and stomp damage basically don't exist, but he can stun an entire room. I've decide I don't want my Rhino to be an offensive tank, and have changed my Rhino into a CC tank . 

 

Get defined roles out of your head, and start being creative with your builds. Make your Warframe suit your playstyle, instead of having DE tell you how you should be playing the  game.

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OP, decide your own role. Just because DE aren't saying "Now listen up children, you play the game the way we want you to play it " Doesn't mean there aren't any roles.

 

Taking your Rhino example, my Rhino is built for duration based CC. His Iron skin and stomp damage basically don't exist, but he can stun an entire room. I've decide I don't want my Rhino to be an offensive tank, and have changed my Rhino into a CC tank . 

 

Get defined roles out of your head, and start being creative with your builds. Make your Warframe suit your playstyle, instead of having DE tell you how you should be playing the  game.

I would say "Get defined roles out of your head, and start being creative with your builds. Make your Warframe suit your own desired Theme, instead of having DE tell you how you should be playing the game."

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In alot of MMOs you have the role system the healer the tank and the support

There is no type of role system in this game making me feel like there is no purpose of using any other frame except rhino and that is really Making me think what's the point of all these other frames.

MY OWN INTERPRETATION.

Feel free to post your thoughts

No negative comments please

OP i suggest you take a look at this thread, you can see what is it mean to play by a theme and not a role =D https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/306655-your-themed-loadout/

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Sorry to say, but...clearly you are a newbie.

 

There are specific roles and they became damn obvious if you actually play the game.

 

Loki is CC, Nyx is CC, Vauban is CC, Excal is CC

 

Valk is a survivalist (tank), Rhino is a survivalist with some CC and Frost is a defensive specialist with survivalist stats.

 

Saryn is a caster with some defensive skills, Banshee is a buffer with some CC, Nova is CC mixed with heavy offense.

 

Hydroid is for perverts like me :D

 

So yeah, play the game more and get out of that rhino, then you'll see what having a role really means.

1st I said no negativity

2nd its my own interpretation

3rd frames with CC don't automatically make them A support frame

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Ask and ye shall receive:

 

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I dub this freak of nature Valrhinekroki Prime.

Kill it with fire!!

 

I love the fact the Warframe has no strict and clearly defined roles.  Mag is my main 'frame for all things.  I'm constantly told to drop my "noob frame and get good" before a mission starts.  You know what?  9/10 times I'm highest kills, least damage taken and most damage given.  I spend more time reviving the "Master Race" players and doing better CC at the same time.  

 

She fills the role of Tank, Healer and Caster.  It's not the Warframe, it's how you play it that defines it's role. 

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1st I said no negativity

2nd its my own interpretation

3rd frames with CC don't automatically make them A support frame

 

Being a newbie is not negative, being a noob is negative.

 

Everyone is new to the game and we interpret it that way because you say: "Why play something other than Rhino"

 

Rhino tends to be used by those who haven't explored the game.

 

Also, I didn't say CC = Support.

 

In this game, and in the end-game missions like Void. The CC frame is a necessity, because it is their role to keep everyone alive and not dead on the ground from the insane swarm of enemies with an armor so high you can't penetrate them.

 

A survivalist is a frame whose role is to survive and revive the downed team-mates as CCs are more or less squishy. Hence the survivalist is a medic.

 

Defensive specialists are suited for static mission and Frost fits this role exclusively due to his static snowglobe, Vauban can fit it too but he is used mostly as a CC

 

So yeah, roles aren't going to be outlined for you like: This is a healer, play this to heal. Or, this is a mage, play this to blow stuff up.

 

In warframe you have to experience it and find out which frames fit where. There are very clearly defined roles once you actually start playing the game.

 

Anyway if you can't handle some negativity, the internet is the wrong place to be.

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And for all those saying that I only play rhino I said I FEEL doesn't mean I only play him I have my own loadout for everyone like my Oberon. He has the sybaris Silva and aegis and the Madeline cause I feel that justifies him as a padalin. When I started this.thread I wanted your own interprataion on the system not trying to prove its stupid or whatever. And don't say your not cause I could quote some proof.

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And for all those saying that I only play rhino I said I FEEL doesn't mean I only play him I have my own loadout for everyone like my Oberon. He has the sybaris Silva and aegis and the Madeline cause I feel that justifies him as a padalin. When I started this.thread I wanted your own interprataion on the system not trying to prove its stupid or whatever. And don't say your not cause I could quote some proof.

Also what is madeline? As i said rhino is as a rhino is, play with what theme you want to insert whatever frame to be had. Man now thinking about it i would want to mod rhino to be like Greed again..... sigh.......

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You are looking for roles? Here ya go: 

 

Rhino: Tank

Frost: Tank

Trinity: Healer/Tank

Oberon: Healer/Dps? 

Excalibur: Jack of All Trades

Nyx: Crowd Control

Vauban: Crowd Control

Hydroid: Crowd Control/Dps 

Nova: Dps

Ember: Dps

Loki: Crowd Control

Valkyr: Tank 

 

IMO, cc & support are the same thing. 

 

I know I'm missing a few, but you can see where I'm going with this. Each Frame could fit a specific role & more or less, these are the roles. You can, however, play any way you want. Any Frame, any role, whatever. 

 

Edit: I for one play Excalibur as a pure CC Frame. I use nothing but Radial Blind with him. With the right mods I'm able to keep an entire room stun locked. Everybody wins. 

So why is it that with my Nyx I end every mission with the most damage?  And no, it's not Boltor Prime...   

 

I love the speed of Nyx, I love the lazy-sunday-stroll of Rhino (never fear, IronSkin's here), I love the pull of Mag, and I love the invisibility of my Ash.

 

As I get more frames, there will be new roles I use each one for.  I don't need them defined for me.  I, Macdermott, am the role.  Do you want Macdermott on your squad for that mission, or not?  Once you play with me, and many other players, you'll learn whether a given player synergizes well with team-mates and uses abilities to help the team, or if they're a door-hero who is playing a single player game that you happen to be a part of.

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And one benefit of using the role system is no discrimination against frames like there is now just say your a tank.or.a healer or support and if you stick to doing your role it goes swell

 

No, play what you want. The day this game force locks me to a role is the day I'll quit.

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And one benefit of using the role system is no discrimination against frames like there is now just say your a tank.or.a healer or support and if you stick to doing your role it goes swell

i think role system does discriminate frames more than themes do.

 

If you are a tank that would always trade in alot of speed for high defense, people would say no to those who even mod for the most speed as much as possible as their frames which are designated as tanks with the lowest base speed for a mission that requires higher speed by "meta gamers".

 

But compare it to a guy who said i am a paladin...... what type of paladin? A magic caster paladin, a slow tanky paladin? A high damage and swift paladin? A paladin that is a better healer than the other trinity? Who really knows?

 

Therefore this really isn't opinion but it is a fact, role and class system provides more discrimination by marginalizing frames into their position within the game. Also given the nature of combat of the game (warframes crowd like mobs in survival) and how majority of the playerbase to playing solo would tend towards a tanky unit with a good crowd control to be effective and as such it would eliminate all other classes.

 

Thus when this mentality traverses to group mentality, people would think the more the better, so more tanks with more CC, would mean even better games and so all other frames that are seen to not be desired role would be rejected and as such there is even more discrimination. Also people sticking to their roles may not go swell, random assassins in warframe makes it that if you over specialize you are in for some serious hurt at times too.

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And one benefit of using the role system is no discrimination against frames like there is now just say your a tank.or.a healer or support and if you stick to doing your role it goes swell

 

Yeah, and then make it so that those classes can only do their one thing well and soon we'll be in WoW-land where each class has only one viable "spec" per "role" (well, it was like that until Blizzard decided that just forcing people into the one viable spec by removing all customization was a good idea). Oh yeah, and Bears are inferior to Tankadins, so gtfo, we want a bubbleboy as tank! (so basically roles wouldn't change a single thing in this respect, discirmation against certain classes/frames by certain people would still run rampant)

 

You know, way back in the day Mages and Warlocks would actually have to tank certain bosses in World of Warcraft (two that come to mind: Illidari Council and Illidan in Black Temple, for Mage and Warlock respectively. Onyxia during air phase as well I think). I'm pretty sure that DPS having to double as tank is blowing the mind of those people that need to be able to stuff everything neatly in a specific role, which is probably also why Blizzard dumbed it down to the sad excuse for a class system they have now.

 

We certainly don't need that in Warframe, more fluid roles is where it's at, and since this is a PvE game balance is not such a huge issue as it is in the likes of WoW as long as all frames are viable.

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i think role system does discriminate frames more than themes do.

 

If you are a tank that would always trade in alot of speed for high defense, people would say no to those who even mod for the most speed as much as possible as their frames which are designated as tanks with the lowest base speed for a mission that requires higher speed by "meta gamers".

 

But compare it to a guy who said i am a paladin...... what type of paladin? A magic caster paladin, a slow tanky paladin? A high damage and swift paladin? A paladin that is a better healer than the other trinity? Who really knows?

 

Therefore this really isn't opinion but it is a fact, role and class system provides more discrimination by marginalizing frames into their position within the game. Also given the nature of combat of the game (warframes crowd like mobs in survival) and how majority of the playerbase to playing solo would tend towards a tanky unit with a good crowd control to be effective and as such it would eliminate all other classes.

Thus when this mentality traverses to group mentality, people would think the more the better, so more tanks with more CC, would mean even better games and so all other frames that are seen to not be desired role would be rejected and as su there is even more discrimination. Also people sticking to their roles may not go swell, random assassins in warframe makes it that if you over specialize you are in for some serious t at times too.

i have to disagree I believe. When you state your role you could add stuff like I'm a CC tank or I'm a absorb tank pretty much sums it up. Also I think we all know that people do not use all frames. Like I barely are people with banshee even though her sonar is op
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i have to disagree I believe. When you state your role you could add stuff like I'm a CC tank or I'm a absorb tank pretty much sums it up. Also I think we all know that people do not use all frames. Like I barely are people with banshee even though her sonar is op

but isn't a role like designating who is tank because of specifications by stats or innate abilities? Warframes has that but more emphasis is placed on abilities which tend to allow players to focus on a set combinations of groups or roles rather than on one. Also people don't say that i am a CC tank or what not in warframe, some assume what is the most predominant role associated with a warframe and generally won't even agree to other builds because it would hardly make sense optimization-ally wise to deviate from that build (which is in its sense to fully use the stats of a frame to its fullest potential).

 

On the other hand there are others who don't really know what builds you have but work to play the strengths of their builds. Thus in warframe with these two types of players discrimination is more rampant. People would see a loki and say "do a radial disarm build". They see a nekros and say "Do a descerate builds", nyx is chaos and absorb throw in a mind control in T4. For Rhino is stomp and iron skin, Valkyr is just hysteria and maybe warcry, Volt is shields and speed, vauban is vortex and balliste. These are what these warframes are renowned for doing and their scope has been limited to these classes and therefore there is more discrimination.

 

You don't see a rhino using his first skill and roaring everywhere, if you did as a meta gamer you would think that this guy doesn't know how to mod their rhinos. You don't really see a valkyr just playing zip line with paralysis alot, or a Vauban that uses alot of tesla, or even a nekros with soul punch. That is what classes relegate frames to become which is to be marginalized in their respective roles and never deviate from it. Then those frames that no one really knows, people can't really care but assume that they would be able to carry their own weight without pulling them team down.

 

Classes therefore discriminate more than themes do. If people knew that rhino could be a full map support or revival rusherer who would say no to them? People stereotype rhino as a stomper with iron skin but fact is i see more rhinos rushing to save me than stomping 24/7. Classes in the end serve this purpose of narrowing the true potential of every single frame. Also the fact that you said "Like I barely are people with banshee even though her sonar is op" means that you instantly just proved an act of discrimination done by the community, in this stereotype banshee can have a truly op potential skill which you acknowledge but because class wise she offer nothing, therefore people don't use her.

 

Classes and roles are totally a discriminatory idea, both in game and even in real life. I can even carry it to science such as taxonomy, the art of classification. All these ideas of classes are the most deep running form of discrimination that has lasted from when we are born till the modern day civilization. Sorry for deviating but it is a fact in history, literature, sciences and even maths that classes and roles will always serve to discriminate, its main purpose is to discriminate.

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