Platinum Overpriced?

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

Because your money would still be gone.

I spent hundreds of dollars on DFO.  That is all gone.  I miss my characters, true, but I am happy and eager to spend money on DFO again.

 

(That is the main issue with WF.  DE tries to annoy you into spending real money on the game.  Instead they should, like DFO, make you want to spend money on the game because it is fun.)

[SergeiTheBeast]

We don't get these. The most we get are special community-wide 20% off sales.

 

......Sucks to be a console Tenno then!

 

Can you guys at least trade plat?  ..If not, ....you guys are f***ing screwed!

Edited September 14, 2014 by (PS4)IIIDevoidIII
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[Dinok07]

Only thing I ever used platinum are for catalysts/reactors or cosmetics.

Buying weapons and warframes with platinum is just plain crazy and I don't really see the point.

Since the Frames that hard to get are primes.

Just get the warframe parts and use plat to rush build them if you want a frame that bad instead of dumping so much platinum on a frame.

[Dinok07]

Don't buy plat! If PWE takes over the game then all of your plat would become useless as all items are locked behind slot machines.

Don't buy plat->Don't support DE->Make it hard for them to get funds->Make them sell the game to PWE.

Still don't wanna buy plat ??

Edited September 14, 2014 by Dinok07

[Guest Tehnoobshow]

Don't buy plat->Don't support DE->Make it hard for them to get funds->Make them sell the game to PWE.

Still don't wanna buy plat ??

The deal will have been made regardless of how much DE is in debt, unless they managed to gather more than enough money to buy themselves back from PWE within these two months. (Which never would have happened)

Edited September 14, 2014 by Tehnoobshow

[(PSN)Zeylon]

Yes, they're generally too high.  Singular weapons and frames sit around a $20 mark.  It might be mitigated if we could get plat discounts like PC users, but we don't... short of spending over the price of a new game on something like platinum access.   I'm all for supporting developers, but I don't think getting access to the full set of options (slots, colors, etc.) in-game should be costing you the equivalent of several boxed games in the course of the year.  

 

Anyone that actually bought every prime access might get "slightly" cheaper plat... but it would push the cost of supporting the devs into the stratosphere of 80-140 dollar purchases, which is like buying a super-collector's edition of a regular game that would come with a bunch of physical items (possibly three-four times a year?!)... but only getting digital stuff.  The prime access page itself notes that the $80 one is a $205 value.. which says something about how plat is priced I think.

 

It's also not clear to me if prime-access still gives you an additional deployable drone? (never seen it mentioned on PS4).  I think PS4 formerly had a thing where we got less plat in Prime Access even.  It makes me appreciate why some people might feel they should have access to old event items or founders gear.  Some of the console players have already spend hundreds in support of DE, and I think there's a certain headstrong attitude that comes with that.  Founders never existed for PS4 afterall, and some people have spent a lot.

 

In any event, I don't mind the buyable cosmetic/item thing necessarily, but I think the fact things like color palettes (of just greys, etc.) running $5 is a bit over the top.  I think it can serve as a turn-off to new players (which is to say, people have told me such).  The pricing was a pretty direct turn-off to people I've introduced to the game, people that like to collect items, etc.  When they see how many real dollars it would take in plat just to have room for all the guns/frames (assuming they spent it on nothing else), it was an interest killer.  

I think it would be a bit better if console players could get plat discounts for login (it seems like the lion's share of my login bonuses is Sentinel experience), and this is doubly true because we seem to be basically a separate tier of customer right now (both in plat pricing and time-to-update).  Some adjustment of the plat prices of things in-game would be good too.  

[Edgarhighman]

Its overpriced. Cost of plat cost of items, "rushing" it could all use a rebalance that would make players actually WANT to spend platinum instead of feeling like "Fk I don't wanna spend XX plat"

 

Guy above said it right. Warframe promotes farming items instead of buying plat because buying is overcostly and unrewarding.

[RoelYento]

Plat is best spent on reactors,catalysts, and cosmetics. Prime parts can be farmed, warframe parts easily farmed, weapon parts or blueprints can be farmed too. To a new player getting much of anything can seem daunting but once you know your way around, most things are easy to get.

Lots of games make you pay 60 bucks for the game plus another 10 to 20 for new character dlc. That being said, people wanting to buy tons of weapons and frames instead of obtaining them are gonna spend a lot since there is so much stuff. I personally don't mind spending money on a game i play all the time. I only buy cosmetics, catalysts, reactors, and slots and all those things are cheap. So plat prices aren't bad in that aspect.

[Eyeless]

The prices DE has set for the Platinum and the Market in general is really quite terrible and has been a gripe of the PC community since it hit Open Beta, and everyone's been pleading with DE to change it. 

 

It's a mess and discourages impulse buys from all but the most fervent Warframe players who have no qualms about spending 3000p on a fire colored Kubrow and don't bat an eye at instantly buying every Prime Access the second it comes out. 

 

But what of the rest of the playerbase? The younger audience that will only have $5 or $10 to spend? The people working long and hard every week and who don't have the time to grind everything or $20 to blow on a SINGLE mediocre gun? 

 

The way cash items are for this game, it's either get bored grinding for something if you want it badly enough (which in turn kills the fun of the game) or shell out enough to get several games you could potentially find more entertaining.

 

I don't understand why they're so stubborn about this, they'd make way more money off the playerbase if they priced things, ya know, reasonably. 

[Coatduck]

Seems to me as though you don't really understand how buying weapons is supposed to work
It's not supposed to be cheap. It's supposed to be "I don't want to grind this weapon and I want to support this game"
Not "I'm too lazy to get this weapon I want to throw pocket change at you until you give me what I want"

Buying weapons is a luxury. You're supposed to grind for them, and if you feel like you're a high roller then you buy them.
Now me, I've never bought a weapon. I've bought platinum in the past, but it was spent on cosmetics (Syandanas will cost you like 50 plat if I recall) and weapon/frame slots. If you spend $5 you can undoubtedly buy a bunch of decent mods from trading, or grab yourself three warframe slots and a set of weapon slots with two plat left over. If you want to buy a weapon, on average like 225, for that price you could buy ten warframe slots and just shy of 4 weapon slots. You see? Buying guns is for the rich, playing the game is for the skilled. Not to say that they're mutually exclusive, you can be rich and good at the game, but clearly you're not, so you grind a bit. It's how it's designed to work.

If you could hop in, play the first mission then buy yourself a whole new arsonal for what you've got in your couch cushions it wouldn't make for much of a game now would it? Some people only make one or two sets of weapons, and if they could buy them all then they would never experience what could be considered 75% of the gameplay. The prices are to stop people from showing up, spending 20 bucks and then leaving because they have everything. I've spent probably $200 on this game, because it was in it's infancy and I wanted to see it grow, and over the almost two years I've been playing I still don't have everything in the game, and that's the way it should be. I want to continue to be challenged and have more game to play, and when I'm done getting everything and ranking everything I'll probably just go around doing whatever I want with all my gear, because I will have earned it and it'll be satisfying to use it.

[NutritionalValue]

The normal price for platinum is stupid. Only stupid people buy them.

It's only worth to buy if you have a 75% discount.

 

The weapon/warframes that you buy with plat in the market also have stupid prices and isn't even worth buying (some people are stupid enough to buy them though, hence why it's there in the market)

 

The only thing worth buying are weapon/warframe slots because that's the only way you can get more of them. Maybe an orokin reactor/catalyst too if you can't wait to get them from alert/invasions.

Cosmetics are optional (most of them doesn't even look that good), you shouldn't use real money to buy them IMO, just trade for platinum and use it to buy them.

[(PSN)Zeylon]

The normal price for platinum is stupid. Only stupid people buy them.

It's only worth to buy if you have a 75% discount.

 

The weapon/warframes that you buy with plat in the market also have stupid prices and isn't even worth buying (some people are stupid enough to buy them though, hence why it's there in the market)

 

The only thing worth buying are weapon/warframe slots because that's the only way you can get more of them. Maybe an orokin reactor/catalyst too if you can't wait to get them from alert/invasions.

Cosmetics are optional (most of them doesn't even look that good), you shouldn't use real money to buy them IMO, just trade for platinum and use it to buy them.

 

And no one on consoles gets any discount....

[(XBOX)Skode]

Is platinum overpriced? Is the content Platinum costing overpriced?

 

I guess its all maybe but its not doing anyone any harm as it is... it encourages grinding, farming and trading instead which isnt a bad thing and if people want to throw money at the quicker options good for them. I know clearly a LOT of people didnt mind doing so when i saw just how much variety in warframes were running about on the Xbox One in just the first four days which should have been impossible for people to do unless they invested in platinum as the initial 50 only cuts so much of the wait for them.

 

I didnt see spending real money as being something that gives them the edge in this game which is the main thing - just a short cut. As for me ive spent a wee but the only things ive spent real money on which i can actually get in game (ie non cosmetics/slots) to date was a day 1 Sentinel (a boon for solo play IMO) and a couple of Reactors because early level Warframes struggle with the high level/fusioned mods ive got on hand so i will take all the help i can get in equipping the best mods at the earliest levels. The devs seemed to have made a wee bit of money out of the Xbox Community so far - long may it continue. Again people dont NEED to buy play but i often tell my mates try and give something because they enjoy the game so much that DE should get something for their efforts and i for one dont really agree with the whole "spending real money on this game is stupid" stance. This isnt an uprising against oppressive devs, its about letting people enjoy the game they way the want to as long as it doesnt effect our game and DE making more money should be a GOOD thing especially if that investment is coming from other people whilst we just get on with the free to play grinding approach haha

[vleessjuu]

I understands the reasoning behind the high platinum prices: they want to get people over the edge by randomly giving them up to 75% discounts. I can get behind that.

That said: almost everything seems way overpriced to me. The only items that IMO are worth the plat are potatoes (and sometimes forma when I'm too lazy to farm the void). Everything else is ridiculously expensive. Neurodes for 10 plat a pop? Really?

Of course, you can get everything for free, but that's not the point: the point of platinum is that you can get a little head-start without having to farm. Not everyone has the time to farm for everything. And precisely because everything is free in principle I don't like to spend too much money on any given item. You'll always see that whatever item you want: if you buy it, the RNG god will drop a free one on your head 5 minutes later and you'll feel cheated.

I'm not a cheapskate: I don't really mind dropping a bunch of money on a game I like. But games are not charity: I'm not going to buy stuff that I think is overpriced just to support the devs. Heck, given the option, I'm more likely to donate money to a game without anything in return rather than buy something that's overpriced. It just goes against my nature. It's a problem I have with many F2P games, really.

Edited September 15, 2014 by vleessjuu

[Arioch1973]

I played this game when it was first released, and then just about a week got back into it. And it has improved so much, that now I am stuck playing it. It is fun. However, what annoys me about the Platinum cost the most is that the Classic colours are 80% locked, and you have to spend 75 Platinum on just getting the basic colour pack.. I think a basic colour pack would be more reasonable at like 15 Platinum since it is already partially unlocked. Mostly because we would see more variation in warframe colouring in the game. The more exclusive colours and textures, I have no problem with costing 75 Platinum, since they are more "exclusive" than "basic".

 

Weapons well. I can agree that they are to expensive platinum wise. But it is also a lot of time saving when you buy a fully built weapon. And the developers has to make money somehow. Its not free to make a game. That said I think many weapons could be dropped to about 65-75% of their pricing, and the developers would see sales go up quite a bit. Paying as much as I pay for most stand alone games for a single in game weapon, or grind for a week to get it. Well. I either grind, or I dont play the game with those prices. The prices just are to high to tempt me to spend money on the weapons, and instead makes me grind or give up for a while. Which saves my wallet, but do not save the developers from earning enough on their game.

[Eyeless]

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You actually raise some good and valid points. 

 

The only things I have to say, not so much to counter, but to lend credence to the other side of the fence is the following:

 

If DE wanted more financial support (which is never a bad thing) wouldn't it be smarter as a F2P title to cheapen market prices to encourage more impulse buys and thus hasten the revenue gain? 

 

Most of the friends I've played with have bought weapons, update bundles, and Prime Access items simply to avoid grind, which to many players who commit themselves to it, find it the major downfall of Warframe. I agree, it's the players fault for burning themselves out with this repetition, but we've all been determined for a particular prime component yes? 

 

As it stands, it feels like a lot of weapons have been put where they are or had their drop tables adjusted accordingly as simply an artificial, substance-less means of obtainment. There's no skill involved in luck, only the much maligned over usage of RNG, and when it comes to most new clantech which we can buy now, timewalls. 

 

I know a lot of us would feel better about the grind if there were more to it than just re-running the same mission time and time again, or if the methods of obtainment weren't so ludicrous to the point of it seemingly implemented for us not to acquire it (ie Malicious Raptor/Gleaming Talon) 

 

This has been brought up time and time again and I'm putting it here. For the grind to feel worthwhile there has to be a challenge to it. An honest reward that isn't simply consistently unrewarding RNG. 

 

Some challenge that rewards skill over maximized mods and 5 forma weapons, and rewards us in turn with something we actually want rather than throwing us another Bronco Prime Receiver or another Ember Prime Chassis from running a rather harrowing T4. 

 

I think the new Rescue missions were a step in the right direction, as is the means of farming for that cryo-resource that we had in this most recent event. 

 

We need more things like this, with a more fleshed out and in-depth system for everything else. Void runs, Boss battles, etc etc. all for the sake of a guaranteed reward that the players want, to be obtained after they overcome something legitimately difficult rather than pure chance. 

 

It will take lots of work and effort on DE's part, but I'm afraid they'll simply nod and keep stacking on grind/time walls and leave all our joys to the mercy of RNG.

 

The reason the cash shop exists until then, is to possibly alleviate that grind at least somewhat. High platinum prices turn players away from even considering giving DE their money, and instead grow sour from all the grinding, get turned off from Warframe, and dissuade others from bothering because it's too grindy with nothing more to it. 

 

Lowering plat costs so we don't feel the need for a 75% discount to not feel robbed, making weapon prices something reasonable to make us want to spend our hard earned dollars... That would be far more supportive for both DE and an eager playerbase than keeping things the way they are now, where it will only rub salt in someone's eyes. 

[Coatduck]

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I am gonna say something a little contradictory.

Yes I think there would be more impulse buys

No I don't think it would raise profits

If it were that easy to just buy a weapon or a frame I think they would lose a very large majority of their fan base, because the "Mastery 1 Rhino prime with boltor prime" that you see in every other mission would now compose most missions. And even if you bumped the mastery on stuff like that, people just wouldn't grind any more, and the thing about grinding is, sure it sucks when you have to do it, but when you're running around with your awesome weapons it just feels so much better, and people who just payed money to get what they want will burn out crazy fast.

I started playing within a week of closed beta launch, and I've never burned out on this game, and the secret to not burning out is to play with the content you don't have to pay for (Exceptions being slots, because you sort of need those to get more stuff) and just buy cosmetics with your plat. I've sunk like $200 into this game and I've still never bought a weapon or a frame. I think I also bought two 3 day credit boosters, one when I sold a mod and didn't have enough credits, and the other because I was a noob and thought it'd be permanent. No affinity boosters. Sure it took longer but in the long run it was more rewarding, and if you take that away, then people will stop playing as much, and sure people will buy lots of stuff, but they'll quit soon after and they won't do things like buy prime access.

[Eyeless]

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Well of course I didn't intend for the Prime stuff to go on sale for that pittance, more to bring the market prices themselves into a more reasonable line.

 

I find the cosmetic prices to be pretty acceptable, but it's the Frames and Weapons I have a gripe with. 

 

I have no issue with Prime Access being as expensive as it is. you're paying not to grind for the newest set of hyped up bling and to support DE. 

 

 

Perhaps newer released items could start at a higher price then drop in the weeks to come until the bundles exist no-longer and buying everything at once after would be more expensive? 

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

"Looking at my 75% discount"

 

I dont think its overpriced !

So what you are saying is that they are overpricing plat, and charging 4 times what it is worth.

[Coatduck]

Well of course I didn't intend for the Prime stuff to go on sale for that pittance, more to bring the market prices themselves into a more reasonable line.

 

I find the cosmetic prices to be pretty acceptable, but it's the Frames and Weapons I have a gripe with. 

 

I have no issue with Prime Access being as expensive as it is. you're paying not to grind for the newest set of hyped up bling and to support DE. 

 

 

Perhaps newer released items could start at a higher price then drop in the weeks to come until the bundles exist no-longer and buying everything at once after would be more expensive? 

Nono, you see that's the thing. Cosmetics are affordable because they don't interfere with gameplay, whereas they're trying to deter you from just outright buying frames and weapons, because then you'll play for longer, enjoy yourself, and be more likely to buy cosmetics

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

Nono, you see that's the thing. Cosmetics are affordable because they don't interfere with gameplay, whereas they're trying to deter you from just outright buying frames and weapons, because then you'll play for longer, enjoy yourself, and be more likely to buy cosmetics

lol, no. They weapons are what you should play for/pay for.  The cosmetics in this game, syandana aside, are terrible.  Most of the helmets are ugly or can be obtained via alerts.  The armor is just garbage. 

 

Not only do they look terrible, they lack any stats, making them even less worth buying.

[Eyeless]

Nono, you see that's the thing. Cosmetics are affordable because they don't interfere with gameplay, whereas they're trying to deter you from just outright buying frames and weapons, because then you'll play for longer, enjoy yourself, and be more likely to buy cosmetics

 

Hm, the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. But what about the actual plat pricing itself, and for those who get tired of the time-walls? It's still a major source of agitation for a lot of the playerbase. 

 

lol, no. They weapons are what you should play for/pay for.  The cosmetics in this game, syandana aside, are terrible.  Most of the helmets are ugly or can be obtained via alerts.  The armor is just garbage. 

 

Not only do they look terrible, they lack any stats, making them even less worth buying.

 

Opinions are opinions, especially when it comes to taste in aesthetics. However, I can agree on some of the armor. I can't find anything that doesn't look weird on most of my frames. 

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

Cleaned thread a bit.

Please do not continue to post in an off-topic manner.

[izzatuw]

I don't think Platinum prices are overpriced but the prices of things you can buy plat with.

[Coatduck]

Hm, the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. But what about the actual plat pricing itself, and for those who get tired of the time-walls? It's still a major source of agitation for a lot of the playerbase.

When you consider that for most weapons any longterm players don't have to grind for any of the mats (Apart from primes and research weapons) then you essentially have to consider that the rush prices are essentially the price of buying the weapon, so if you're crazy lazy then you buy them, if you're impatient you build/rush, and if you don't much mind the wait (Like myself) then you just wait it out and don't have to spend any on it, apart from the arguable 6 plat for a slot.

50 plat to have a frame right-here-right-now is not too bad I don't think. That being said I think the components of a frame shouldn't be 25 to rush, because that ends up costing you 125 to rush, and I'm pretty sure some frames cost that outright and come with a reactor and a slot.