Why Are Corpus Bad?

[Renegade343]

They're not that far behind. 

 

Their mechanical augments are not Corpus-made, we know that much, and they've even recently figured out how to make directed energy weapons. They also have artificial gravity, extensive engineering knowledge, and the ability to create extremely compact energy sources.

Then again, microwaves are non-ionising radiation (i.e.: not enough energy to start ionising other atoms), whereas plasma can, to an extent, ionise other atoms to create more damaging effects. So I would say the Grineer are still quite behind in the energy weapons department. 

 

Besides, we already have microwave-based weapons, but just that we need a vehicle to carry it around instead of being in a gun. 

[Sitchrea]

Neptune.  Home of the corpus and their "indoctrination temples".  I think it's probably safe to say pure capitalists don't run indoctrination temples.

 

And remember the "The profit" trailer?  Alad V catches us and chops us up.  And then he sells our body parts.  To the other corpus, who are ever so happy to bid.

 

 

 

Oh, and if you ever want proof that the corpus are not nice, try this:  Go into one of their spaceships, stay stealthy, and shoot out a window with a corpus in the room.

 

The room vacuums out.  The doors lock immediately - which means the corpus internal systems can clearly detect there has been a breach and the section is exposed to hard vacuum.   And the safety shutters.....don't close.  You have to actually go over to a terminal, in hard vacuum, and hack it to get the room to drop it's sealing shutters, despite the fact that the ship has clearly detected the breach and locked the doors.

 

Consider that.  They don't know you're there, so it's not about you.  This is what happens if an industrial accident on a corpus ship blows out a window.  They lock the doors, and any poor bastard in there is only going to survive if they make it over to the security terminal and manually put down the safety shutters.

 

That's Darth Vader level non-OSHA compliance.  These are not pleasant, upstanding moral beacons we're talking about.

Yes, but we must also assume that these ships are under the leadership (Or payroll) of Alad V and not hold their actions accountable for the whole of the Corpus, seeing as how Alad V's branch has been excommunicated by the Corpus board.

 

So, are we fighting the Corpus as a whole, or just Alad V's troops?

[locojuan]

there is not right and wrong, or good and bad. theres selfish factions that would step on anyone's head to gain control and/or profit. corpus want to rule the economy, well guess what, we wont let em. we, the tenno, are the only force that can stop this factions from complete dominations over the system. corpus want free market for the colonies to trade. but if you are the only provider of technology to trade, and you rule all trade routes... you get the picture.

[Phatose]

Yes, but we must also assume that these ships are under the leadership (Or payroll) of Alad V and not hold their actions accountable for the whole of the Corpus, seeing as how Alad V's branch has been excommunicated by the Corpus board.

 

So, are we fighting the Corpus as a whole, or just Alad V's troops?

 

Now would be a good time to remember why exactly Alad V no longer has the support of the corpus board.

 

It's not cause he chopped us up.  They were A-OK with that.  It's not even that he was perfectly willing to sacrifice millions of lives in a war against the grineer to protect his price gouging.

 

He's only on the outs because he lost.  The corpus board was completely OK with all of this right up until the moment it stopped looking like it was going to make them more money.

[JalakBali]

At least one good thing about the Tenno is they never claimed to be the force of good or all of those saturday morning cartoon good guys spiel. The Tenno is a killing machine, trimming down factions who went out of the boundaries.  It seems like the Tenno is more concerned in curbing total domination as they're waking up as the Grineer is flooding the solar system. The Corpus existed for much longer than the Grineer but the Tenno kept sleeping and ignoring them. The Corpus is targeted now only because they've been helping the Grineer.

[insaninater]

Okay, so I've done my research and I know all about how the Grineer enslave colonies via a National Socialist Police State; they are definitely the bad guys, and I take every oppurtunity to put them down. But what are Corpus? They are traders, merchants, and technology fanatics. But none of those things are bad, are they? They just want money, so why do we kill them?

 

Okay, so I get why we go at Alad V's assets all the time - he purposefully targets Tenno in order to kill us and use our Frames against us (Zanuka), and I assume that it is his troops that we constantly harrass. But two questions come to mind... If he is not representative of all the Corpus but only a fraction of the Organization, why in the name of the Lotus does he have so many ships?

 

I beg for an explanation why we constantly target Corpus installations and vessels. Leaving out Alad V, who I assume does not lead most of the millions of Corpus we slaughter, why do we massacre them for no foreseeable cause? They have made significant progress in delaying the advance of the Grineer across the system, and in fact have significantly better technology ala the Jackals, Hyenas, and Raptor drone they mass produce, presumably to fight the Grineer.

 

I implore the Lotus to give us intelligence on any deplorable actions being taken by the Corpus on the people of the Origin System; otherwise our quest to restore balance would indeed entail that out objective is the complete and utter destruction of the Grineer.

 

 

Actually, if i remember correctly from the breeding ground event, Alad V says he and the corpus board of directors don't see eye to eye at all, they disapprove of his actions, and this really does make you wonder why we fight the corpus at all.

 

I mean even the boss fights are mostly just us trying to impair their technologies. I really can't think of a corpus besides Alad V who's really done us any harm, and we already know that Alad is a radical in their eyes.

[Davoodoo]

Corpus doesnt see tenno, corpus see warframe and starts counting money they could get by breaking it into pieces and selling to whoever pays most.

Imo reason enough to kill them.

[SIDESTRE4M]

Then again, microwaves are non-ionising radiation (i.e.: not enough energy to start ionising other atoms), whereas plasma can, to an extent, ionise other atoms to create more damaging effects. So I would say the Grineer are still quite behind in the energy weapons department. 

 

Besides, we already have microwave-based weapons, but just that we need a vehicle to carry it around instead of being in a gun. 

 

Don't forget, the Nukor is clan tech. There are no Grineer units equipped with it.

 

Regarding this moral issue... the Corpus represent the bad aspect of our current society. Think of all the global unequality we have. The corpus are the Lobby, the cruel business men.

 

I don't see a point in sympathy towards any of our opposing factions.

If any, then the infested. They aren't bound to good or evil, they just evolve.

[Renegade343]

Don't forget, the Nukor is clan tech. There are no Grineer units equipped with it.

The same can be said for the Grinlok, Marelok, Amprex etc..

 

What I think is that DE(L) has not yet gone with making other units that will use those weapons, since with Energy and Chem Lab, we tend to reverse-engineer the faction's weapons. 

[CephalonShy]

...Because they tryin to kidnap us and turn us into mecha dogs?

[SIDESTRE4M]

The same can be said for the Grinlok, Marelok, Amprex etc..

 

What I think is that DE(L) has not yet gone with making other units that will use those weapons, since with Energy and Chem Lab, we tend to reverse-engineer the faction's weapons. 

 

I doubt we will see so many units, using grinloks, brakks, nukors, jad kittags and so on. It might be possible, but having access to grineer technology, we could as well do our own research based on that.

 

It doesn't really matter though.

 

My point is, the world is grey and even we might not be the heroes. Maybe not all of us.

 

Regarding Corpus... i don't know any corpus personally aside from Darvus and to a certain degree Alad. The lore gave us insight how the corpus work and they are for the most part cold calculating greedy dirtbags with no morale.

 

Grineer are the space nazis. Cruel and barbaric bastards with hideous weapons and propaganda.

 

I don't know why there are people who deperatly want to sympathize with our enemy factions. This was a phenomen during the Brakk/Detron event.

[SlapClown]

I always like them and wish i had a MOA for a pet 

[Kalenath]

As has been said...

 

Capitalists who brainwash people to serve them are NOT good guys.

 

I never help the Corpus during Invasions unless it is Infested. The Grineer are nasty, brutish and evil. No question. But THEY are honest about it. They don't care.

 

The Corpus are insidious and evil. They brainwash people into serving them. (You think those poor Detron Crewmen WANT to fight Tenno?) Maybe they are more human than Grineer, but I don't see it.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Kalenath

[SIDESTRE4M]

Wow, brainwashing... where did they mention that?

 

However you all forget one thing.

 

This is a game and the KI don't have a free will. They are programmed to attack us. The KI doesn't have the freedom to decide between shooting and yielding unlike normal humans.

 

If I see a warframe coming at me, I would drop my gun and pray. At least corpus should be intelligent enough.

 

People who lost their place in the world will reach out their hands to someone who gives them a greater meaning, even if it's questionable.

Fake brotherhoods and stuff is an excellent method to control humans, hence the grineer propaganda or this funny void cult in the name of profit.

 

They create a religion. A fake one and even gamers are drawn to this fictional world and their factions, failing to see the irony and the link to our real world.

 

This is frightening and interesting and even hilarious at the same time :D

[Sitchrea]

At least one good thing about the Tenno is they never claimed to be the force of good or all of those saturday morning cartoon good guys spiel. The Tenno is a killing machine, trimming down factions who went out of the boundaries.  It seems like the Tenno is more concerned in curbing total domination as they're waking up as the Grineer is flooding the solar system. The Corpus existed for much longer than the Grineer but the Tenno kept sleeping and ignoring them. The Corpus is targeted now only because they've been helping the Grineer.

yet now, as seen after the Gradivus Event, the Corpus actively fight the Grineer, while splinter groups such as that led by Alad V work to fight us. Even so, other splinter groups such as that led by Darvo wish to make money by helping us in our quest against the Grineer. Why don't we use the Corpus as proxies against the Grineer while killing any who shoot at us?

[SIDESTRE4M]

Because screw logic.

Two opposing factions game design. The plot is just there to give it a bit depth.

[GrapplerBot]

Actually, if i remember correctly from the breeding ground event, Alad V says he and the corpus board of directors don't see eye to eye at all, they disapprove of his actions, and this really does make you wonder why we fight the corpus at all.

 

I mean even the boss fights are mostly just us trying to impair their technologies. I really can't think of a corpus besides Alad V who's really done us any harm, and we already know that Alad is a radical in their eyes.

 

Breeding Grounds happened after Gradivus. By that time, Alad had already been excommunicated from the Corpus Board for losing massive amounts of money in his war against Sargas Ruk. This is why they "don't see eye to eye". Not to mention he's now breeding super-infested with the Hives, and as we know from Infested invasions, EVERYONE hates the Infested more than they hate each other.

 

Also, don't forget that we fight Nef Anyo on Mars. He's not one of Alad's goons, and he is pretty much the same way as Alad was, collecting sleeping Tenno and selling them off.

[DSMK2]

 

Well, their crewmen are stored in boxes. If you aren't rich, powerful, and networked in the Corpus, you're a nameless brainwashed crewman, a mere throwaway gear in their economic machine. They're not immediately "bad" as they haven't done overt invasions and actions like the Grineer, but they're "bad" in the sense of what I mentioned before (de-individualization of the normal person).

 

 

 

[Sitchrea]

 

Well, their crewmen are stored in boxes. If you aren't rich, powerful, and networked in the Corpus, you're a nameless brainwashed crewman, a mere throwaway gear in their economic machine. They're not immediately "bad" as they haven't done overt invasions and actions like the Grineer, but they're "bad" in the sense of what I mentioned before (de-individualization of the normal person).

((Woah, which tile set is this from?))

 

Hm... Storing people in boxes; how detestable. Are we sure these are not just suit closets and not actual sleeping quarters?

[MechaTails]

Yeah Corpus are bad... BAD TO DA BONE! YEAH BABY! *thrusts victoriously*

[RavenousPartyLibrarian]

Whatever member of the Corpus with a high enough rank to think for themselves are generally sneaky, greedy bastards.

Edited September 12, 2014 by RavenousPartyLibrarian

[Unagi604]

Like many cases in the real world, the "bad guy" depends on which side of the fence you're sitting on.

[GrapplerBot]

((Woah, which tile set is this from?))

 

Hm... Storing people in boxes; how detestable. Are we sure these are not just suit closets and not actual sleeping quarters?

 

It's from the Eris tileset.

 

The empty boxes appear to have headrests and backrests, so I don't think they are just for storage. If you look in other tilesets, empty suits are hung from racks.

[Sitchrea]

It's from the Eris tileset.

 

The empty boxes appear to have headrests and backrests, so I don't think they are just for storage. If you look in other tilesets, empty suits are hung from racks.

Hm... I would like to see more of this interwoven narrative; it makes the world seem much more like a place people live in rather than a place where people get shot. lol

[Lost_Cartographer]

The Corpus are the economic powerhouse of the system, but a lot of their profit ironically comes from one of their greatest enemies: the Grineer.  Gradivus was partly about keeping the Corpus at the bargaining table.

 

Additionally, the Corpus tend to develop weapons systems built with the intention of hunting down Tenno.  Alad V is just the one to build one out of Tenno.  The Corpus really hate the Tenno.  It isn't that the Corpus have a moral scale, it's simply that they don't have morals at all.  Most of the foot sloggers we butcher are just barely more self-aware than the MOA standing next to them.  I imagine there's more human experimentation going on behind closed doors than we've been let in on too by the way, and who else would they contact for living people?  They happily sell tech to the Grineer, it's not a stretch to believe trade could involve people as well.