The Tenno: Good Or Evil? Well, It's Not That Simple.

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

Look at our past.  We were Pariahs. We ARE Pariahs.

No one in this system really cared for us during the Orokin Age.  Do you think that they'd care for us nowadays if we weren't useful?

No, they'd fear us.  That's why the Grineer hate us, and the Corpus fear us already. 

We're a race plagued by fear - a people hated for our Power.

 

Only when the Orokin needed us, did they bring us out of our shameful hiding.  Only then were we put to good use and given the respect we deserve.

And afterwards we took our rightful vengeance for what they had done.   Or perhaps, we gave them mercy from some long lasting effect of Sentient mental attacks.  Either way, it was justified and necessary.  What would stop the Orokin from doing the same again?

Generally: you have no one in the world but your family.  And Tenno..  We are family.  We look out for each other.  We have to look out for ourselves.   That's why during Gradivus we sacrificed colonists to save a few dozen Tenno. 

We are ultimately the only ones who care for each other.  No one else will. 

In conclusion:

 

The Tenno are rightfully selfish, but we still protect those who cannot protect themselves.  But if one of Us is at stake, others are second priority.
 

The only reason The Corpus don't have a fetish for molesting Tenno corpses like Alad does is because we've shown them, repeatedly, what happens if you &!$$ us off.  It's the only way to keep them off our back.

 

The Grineer are imperialistic, conniving, racist A******s who enslave planets.  They deserve the tips of our swords.  The only reason they're not extinct is because they're damn hard to kill what with how many of them there are.  Plus they keep the other factions in check.

 

The Infested are sick dogs that must be put down.

 

The Orokin were out of their depth and arrogant.  I think that's self evident through their architecture.  They only cared for us, their creations, their experiments when we were their last hope.  We only got the respect we deserve as sapient beings when we killed their enemies.  After the war, they would have probably stuffed us back into our Cryopods indefinitely because we're pretty bad for PR.  Good riddance.

The Sentients' motivations are unknowable.  But we defended ourselves accordingly.  There is no shame or evil in self preservation.  Especially when we really had no choice.

 

The Colonists/Free Factions simply find us useful.  I don't think they respect us.  I think they fear us and would rather not even have our protection.

 

TL;DR:  F*** everyone else.  We're family and we're gonna look out for ourselves.  No one else has and no one else will.  We aren't evil.  We're Family.  But don't let that get to you.  We'd still protect anyone if they couldn't defend themselves.  And if you incur our wrath, you can be damn sure you deserve it.  We are NOT conquerors.  We are guardians.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Gaminus

[Shifted]

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

Is this truly applause worthy?

I'm honored.

[Agullimux]

As soon Alad V puts credit price on your head i will hunt you down and make you my zanuka.

[fatpig84]

I only care about myself mostly :O

[Nihmo]

We care only about ourselves, our kubrows, and our potatoes

[SeaUrchins]

I disagree, I'd gladly hunt Lotus and other tennos if I could. I would work with captain Vor and down with the false prophet and imposer, I'd take the baptism of the Janus key!

 

Just cos you have a warframe does not make you my family, zanuka is a warframe too.

Edited September 17, 2014 by SeaUrchins

[manub]

Made a post in this topic bout the suspected reasons of the orokin rebellion

Pretty much have the same advice as you

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/311243-are-you-the-bad-guy/

[Lluid]

Good points OP ! Some of us need more than the selfishness shown proudly by some of our fellow Tenno above me.

 

I would add that some of us fight for knowledge, and for what seems right.

 

For instance, I still don't know what to think about infested, because I need to know their origin, their intentions, and how they're organized. I simply defend myself when they attack me or stop them when they become a threat to civilians.

 

Also, maybe in the future we'll find clues of the past scattered in the system. Clues that lead us to a greater goal than just surviving and keeping a hopeless temporary balance.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Lluid

[HappyApathy]

I personally hate the current portrayal of the Tenno as nothing but self-serving mercenaries, it's not that we because we chose to be, but because it's THE ONLY CHOICE right now, we have no one to fight for except ourselves, or Grineer or the Corpus who are just hiring us as armed thugs. I WANT to be guardian, I WANT to be a protector, I WANT to be that noble warrior who fights for a just cause, but right now we have no one to guard or protect, and no cause but our own self-serving purposes.

 

I also find it hardly fair to judge what the rest of the Solar System outside of the Grineer and the Corpus thinks of us based on a grand total of two incidents with the Red Veil, I look forward to the day we finally get to sit down with a regular colonist and ask him what he thinks, been able to do that would add so much more to the game then any mountain high pile of dead Grineer.

 

I find the current state/perception of the Tenno to be more a failure on DE's part to really get down to expanding the world the Tenno have awoken into, to add some depth and feeling and give a sense we are fighting for more then simply credits, prime parts, or mastery ranks. Hopefully this terrible image of the Tenno will change when DE finally gives some face to the people we are suppose to be helping.

 

Of course you can decide your Tenno is nothing more then a mercenary thug for hire, but I truly look forward to the day we can also chose to be that noble warrior fighting for a just cause.

 

P.S. I might as well mention I've been working on a concept that partly aims at trying to rectify this

Edited September 17, 2014 by HappyApathy

[Arbiter_of_Soul]

I personally enjoy the possibility of us being the "bad" guys. Would be refreshing. Also morallity is an ambiguous thing. Good or evil depends entirely on ones point of view.

 

    Also the tenno killing the Orokin has one very important meaning IMHO. They were not mindless puppets, just means to an end, rather were, or still are thinking, feeling, rational( maybe not that rational :D ) beings. It means we can rebel against the Lotus at some point and try to blow up everything. A huge interstellar war would be a welcome sight gameplay-wise.

[TheGlade]

*tearful applause.

[HappyApathy]

I personally enjoy the possibility of us being the "bad" guys. Would be refreshing. Also morallity is an ambiguous thing. Good or evil depends entirely on ones point of view.

 

    Also the tenno killing the Orokin has one very important meaning IMHO. They were not mindless puppets, just means to an end, rather were, or still are thinking, feeling, rational( maybe not that rational :D ) beings. It means we can rebel against the Lotus at some point and try to blow up everything. A huge interstellar war would be a welcome sight gameplay-wise.

 

The problem is we really can only choose to be 'the bad guys' right now, or if not that just been incredibly selfish, how come we can't have more scenarios where we help people? Where we can play the role of the guardian, or the savior?

 

If we are not mindless puppets we should also be given more opportunities to do what we consider to be 'just' rather then what we decide to be required for 'balance' for the Lotus, or what pays well from the Grineer or the Corpus, hell if I had the choice I'd rather my Tenno say 'screw you' to the Lotus and throw those battle pay credits back in the face of the Grineer or Corpus and throw my lot in with the Red Veil cause frankly that sounds like a possibly far more meaningful cause and far more interesting scenario then simply just been some tool for balance or been a paid thug.

 

Every time I see one of these "The Tenno are Bad/Evil/Selfish" arguments it just irks me, not because their wrong (at the moment) but because it's just a reminder to me of how poorly fleshed out the universe that DE has created is, if it was done well we would be able to have that choice of been good/bad/mercenary/paragon/balance, but the fact is as it stands there is no 'good' option and we are stuck with been selfish mercenaries fighting either for ourselves or for the highest bidder. or at best for some ambiguous notion of 'balance'.

 

Believe me if I had a good argument I would be trying to stomp on this thread as best I could but the fact is I don't and that just makes me sad/mad.

Edited September 17, 2014 by HappyApathy

[Tesseract_The_Pariah]

The problem is we really can only choose to be 'the bad guys' right now, or if not that just been incredibly selfish, how come we can't have more scenarios where we help people? Where we can play the role of the guardian, or the savior?

 

If we are not mindless puppets we should also be given more opportunities to do what we consider to be 'just' rather then what we decide to be required for 'balance' for the Lotus, or what pays well from the Grineer or the Corpus, hell if I had the choice I'd rather my Tenno say 'screw you' to the Lotus and throw those battle pay credits back in the face of the Grineer or Corpus and throw my lot in with the Red Veil cause frankly that sounds like a possibly far more meaningful cause and far more interesting scenario then simply just been some tool for balance or been a paid thug.

 

Every time I see one of these "The Tenno are Bad/Evil/Selfish" arguments it just irks me, not because their wrong (at the moment) but because it's just a reminder to me of how poorly fleshed out the universe that DE has created is, if it was done well we would be able to have that choice of been good/bad/mercenary/paragon/balance, but the fact is as it stands there is no 'good' option and we are stuck with been selfish mercenaries fighting either for ourselves or for the highest bidder. or at best for some ambiguous notion of 'balance'.

 

Believe me if I had a good argument I would be trying to stomp on this thread as best I could but the fact is I don't and that just makes me sad/mad.

Ultimately by balancing the powers we prevent another Orokin empire from happening.  Who knows what kind of S#&$ they did that we've forgotten.

 

And I'm of the belief that many of our missions are to save civilians though.  Such as sabotage or many of the event's we've done.  It's all been to protect the system at large.

[Zeptimus]

F*** everyone else except for Alad V
Alad V is love, Alad V is life

[NutritionalValue]

There is nothing wrong with the grineer.

The grineer only wanted to cure their genetic deterioration by dissecting researching the tenno. But the tenno kills them whenever they can.

Kyl Regor was trying to research a cure for their genetic deterioration. But the tenno killed him to preserve their so called "balance".

Vay Hek was hiding on vacation on Earth. But the tenno hunted him down and almost killed him.

[Vanguard4]

TL;DR:  F*** everyone else.  We're family and we're gonna look out for ourselves.  No one else has and no one else will.  We aren't evil.  We're Family.  But don't let that get to you.  We'd still protect anyone if they couldn't defend themselves.  And if you incur our wrath, you can be damn sure you deserve it.  We are NOT conquerors.  We are guardians.

 

This is why we fight over solar rails and extort 75% taxes from fellow tenno - at least from the surviving ones which we didnt rip to shreds in merciless Tenno vs. Tenno Ash Bladestorm spams - because we care so much for each other.

 

What is the game called you are playing? I don´t think we do play the same.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Vanguard4

[Lunamaniac]

/reads

 

Ok, so we are evil self serving Tenno after all.

[[DE]Artarrwen]

 

This is why we fight over solar rails and extort 75% taxes from fellow tenno - at least from the surviving ones which we didnt rip to shreds in merciless Tenno vs. Tenno Ash Bladestorm spams - because we care so much for each other.

 

What is the game called you are playing? I don´t think we do play the same.

 

The lore behind Dark Sectors and warring clans and alliances is yet to be delivered.
It's an "honor" thing or some S#&$, I dunno.

[PsychedelicSnake]

There is nothing wrong with the grineer.

The grineer only wanted to cure their genetic deterioration by dissecting researching the tenno. But the tenno kills them whenever they can.

Kyl Regor was trying to research a cure for their genetic deterioration. But the tenno killed him to preserve their so called "balance".

Vay Hek was hiding on vacation on Earth. But the tenno hunted him down and almost killed him.

This is actually false.

 

The Grineer are not good. There is plenty wrong with them. Their biggest problem is wanting to subjugate everyone and everything under their rule.

 

Second, the Tenno disrupt the research to cure their genetic deteroiration because Tyl Regor and the Grineer would use it to perfect their cloning process and thus make unstoppable super soldiers. 

 

Third, Vay Hek was hiding out on Earth because of his plans, primarily the return of the Balor Fomorians. With his escape, and with Archwing coming, it is evident that he succeeds. He even openly attacks Corpus ships.

 

Grineer are not good. 

[Snydrex]

Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brudda, I hurt whoever I'm payed to.

[NutritionalValue]

This is actually false.

 

The Grineer are not good. There is plenty wrong with them. Their biggest problem is wanting to subjugate everyone and everything under their rule.

 

Second, the Tenno disrupt the research to cure their genetic deteroiration because Tyl Regor and the Grineer would use it to perfect their cloning process and thus make unstoppable super soldiers. 

 

Third, Vay Hek was hiding out on Earth because of his plans, primarily the return of the Balor Fomorians. With his escape, and with Archwing coming, it is evident that he succeeds. He even openly attacks Corpus ships.

 

Grineer are not good. 

I was just joking, hence the crossed out words depicting the grineer in a negative light.

 

But really now, if I were given a choice whether to support the grineer or corpus, I'd choose grineer because their lore is more fleshed out and at least they have a side that you can symphatize with. (also the mass produced clones are brain washed or something, either that or the genetic deterioration because of the mass cloning made them crazy/evil and makes them want to kill everyone different from them)

While the corpus are just a faction of space merchants who use robots and wants to get their hands on all resources and orokin technology in any means necessary.

[-skimmer-]

So far I see Tenno only as sell-swords and looters. DE has yet to deliver questlines and lore that would make me think differently.

[PookieNumnums]

we are like wolverine 

like 

gladiators

 

like... mila from res evil movies.

 

freaks feared despised 

 

they got what they deserved 

[PookieNumnums]

like in valhalla rising... let the warrior slave have the sharp object.... yahhh....