Fix (Back): Trinity's Blessing (Un-Nerf One Step Back)

[Haematite]

I'd like to get this straight trinity is now impossible to play.

 

Why so? Well let's look at this from my understanding.

Trinity is by right a squishy warframe but she's able to survive because she's a healer, right? 

You nerfed her ability to be invulnerable, that was not something I agreed with but fine whatever!

But then you further nerfed her ability to heal.

What did she do to DEs to make them hate her so much.

Could you give her the same amount of love you give to Rhino? Please?

 

She's like dying from third stage cancer as the tumor continues to take away more and more of her living capabilities.

 

Soon she'd be dragging herself around the floor like it's a normal everyday thing.

 

Oh wait. THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.

 

Hey DEs no disrespect but please fix her back. She never wanted to be diagnosed with this illness.

I love you guys and trinity but now that you've taken things this far i'll have to choose her.

 

Pls DEs if you see this, do the right thing. Stop her cancer. 

 

 

[Casardis]

I'll be blunt.

Learn to use Link.

[StinkyPygmy]

Another trinnniittyyy neerrffff thhrreeaaaaaddd.

Invulnerability was bad. 

And her recent nerf really doesn't even matter. Just add intensify.

Don't want to waste a slot? Then be happy with that 80% heal rate.

Its hardly noticeable. 

[vaugahn]

Oh look, this thread again. 

 

Maybe we should make a "I'm unhappy about Trinity for no reason" megathread?

Edited September 19, 2014 by vaugahn

[Oberon-Prime]

"trinity is too squishy", then use link, her ability that makes her take less damage.

 

regarding blessing's invincibility and healing nerf, both were needed.

 

the invincibility that was on it was absolutely absurd on it and needed to change. It made warframe trivial with no fear of dying and gave no challenge when giving it to an entire squad, so we get a damage reduction based on how much you heal, which can be just as good and gives also gives incentive to watch allies healthbars and be a better healer and to maximize your damage reduction on it if you use it like this.

 

also 100% health and shield heal with infinite range at all ranks is also crazy when you think about it to be at any point at the map and just completely heal someone from a mile away. yes 80% isn't as good as 100%, but that's 80% at any range on the map, which is still great, and with a fully ranked blessing mod you only need +25% power strength to reach 100%, which a max intensify alone will bring you over that. Also with this heal change they made it so you can cast blessing as many times as you want without having to wait out it's duration, making max rank blessing a spammable heal when it wasn't before, so even without an intensify you can press 4 twice and just get all of your energy back with energy vampire, which still hasn't been touched.

 

The changes to trinity were greatly needed, but they don't hurt the frame in any way other than wanting a free god mode, which took away from the frame as a whole with all she could offer

Edited September 19, 2014 by -CM-SilentCoin

[.Zeva]

I like how Trinity is now, she is FAR from useless.

#Learn2Trin

P.s. What a great introduction post. Lol

Edited September 19, 2014 by .Zeva

[Azawarau]

Trinity outtanks rhino by years

 

Literally you wasted your time making this thread

[inappropriatename5818]

Didn't they make blessing fully spammable with the hotfix after the nerf? If so, that seems like a buff to me...

[Haematite]

I've read roughly most of your comments on my post.

 

Most of you talk about builds I already know about, I'm more concerned about the variety of directions a warframe's build could go. I'd rather not just use the link build like what the game has already stated and claim that it is the best and only way to use Trinity.

 

Also it's not technically god mode by herself, trinity is not able to heal as fast as she gets damaged

 

One of you guys also mentioned that I said that she was useless. This is not true. I just believe that there was a potential in trinity that is slowly being sapped away and that it is not problematic to use her rather than fun to play as her. You might not believe but pressing blessing every minute or so just to make sure she lives is getting rather dreadful ( Like a chore).

 

Also changing a warframe's build is hard work and takes alot of time ( and formas) having it nerfed constantly is starting to get problematic.

 

I've got friends who rely on me to be a good healer just as I rely on them for their respective jobs and it's only right that I perform in my own unique way.I just can't understand why does a warframe's build have to be so simple. and as to why you might assume that trinity is up to standard is because you guys are using the same simple build that everyone has been using.

 

 

I've used the trinity warframe for quite a while now and I've shared lots of great moments with it and now I might have to put it away. Trinity is getting weaker not only by how it's squishy but also how it's character development is. What I'm trying to say is that I saw alot of options to how one can build a warframe especially from trinity but now there is the issue of more and more of these options being nerfed out and although it might seem to be a small thing to people such as yourselves, to people iike me who like to see the game as a whole would like a more fulfilling experience in warframe.  

 

Finally, I 'd hope that you'd try to look at this from a different perspective and find some understanding of my point on the Trinity experience.

Thanks for writing on my post

[HoakinBlackforge]

I may sound like a retard by this but...

 

"git gud" 

 

(In other meaning, you have other abilities. Not DE's fault if you dont know how to play)

[(PSN)SoraNakashima]

Just change with this meta, all of us Trinity players are doing. I understand what your getting at though. 

[(XBOX)Ares v SL]

Can I throw out there as a Trinity player, maybe you should look at your squad because really you shouldn't be taking enough damage to have to constantly use blessing to heal yourself to begin with. Trinity is meant to be a supportive based class not a tank (however can be made into one I suppose) a 20% nerf isn't all that bad when I am sure that could now be effected by a power strength mod and if not well.. I can live with the 20% deference It will make me a better healer by having to pay more attention or double cast Blessing which really isn't all that hard either. When you consider you can get energy from anywhere using Energy Vampire. 

[Azawarau]

I've read roughly most of your comments on my post.

 

Most of you talk about builds I already know about, I'm more concerned about the variety of directions a warframe's build could go. I'd rather not just use the link build like what the game has already stated and claim that it is the best and only way to use Trinity.

 

Also it's not technically god mode by herself, trinity is not able to heal as fast as she gets damaged

 

One of you guys also mentioned that I said that she was useless. This is not true. I just believe that there was a potential in trinity that is slowly being sapped away and that it is not problematic to use her rather than fun to play as her. You might not believe but pressing blessing every minute or so just to make sure she lives is getting rather dreadful ( Like a chore).

 

Also changing a warframe's build is hard work and takes alot of time ( and formas) having it nerfed constantly is starting to get problematic.

 

I've got friends who rely on me to be a good healer just as I rely on them for their respective jobs and it's only right that I perform in my own unique way.I just can't understand why does a warframe's build have to be so simple. and as to why you might assume that trinity is up to standard is because you guys are using the same simple build that everyone has been using.

 

 

I've used the trinity warframe for quite a while now and I've shared lots of great moments with it and now I might have to put it away. Trinity is getting weaker not only by how it's squishy but also how it's character development is. What I'm trying to say is that I saw alot of options to how one can build a warframe especially from trinity but now there is the issue of more and more of these options being nerfed out and although it might seem to be a small thing to people such as yourselves, to people iike me who like to see the game as a whole would like a more fulfilling experience in warframe.  

 

Finally, I 'd hope that you'd try to look at this from a different perspective and find some understanding of my point on the Trinity experience.

Thanks for writing on my post

Idk about you but trinity can more than heal herself

 

If shes at the point where she can no longer effectively heal herself then its time to use link,run away, or die and complain that theres something wrong with her

[(PSN)friedricetheman]

Uhhh... Any math dudes around to calculate what happens if I take a maxed blessing and maxed overextended (for link) in my build. How much healing will I be doing per cast with a -60% power strength?

[Azawarau]

Uhhh... Any math dudes around to calculate what happens if I take a maxed blessing and maxed overextended (for link) in my build. How much healing will I be doing per cast with a -60% power strength?

Wiki says power range has no negative effect on it but that is very likely wrong

 

Time to test

 

EDIT

 

It seems to be 32%

 

Also E vamp sucks

 

EDIT 2

 

Ive been thinking about this for a while and now i feel im mad enough to try

 

Overextended max power STR (or whatever specific number is needed to get 100% with overextended)

Edited September 21, 2014 by Azawarau

[(PSN)friedricetheman]

@Azawarau - 32% does seem to be quite bad. Might be forced to go with this configuration when the update hits ps4. I simply do not have enough space in my build to accommodate any power strength mods. Ah well, I guess DE always have their reasons for balance changes, we just gotta learn to adapt.

Thanks for the valuable info.

[Azawarau]

Share your build?

[(PSN)friedricetheman]

Share your build?

It's basically a Link-centric build. All maxed mods unless stated otherwise.

1) Corrosive Projection

2) blessings

3) link

4) Narrow Minded

5) Vitality

6) streamline R4

7) Fleeting Expertise R4

8) quick thinking

9) flow

10) rage

11) overextended

Keep Link up 100% of the time. Pop blessings as and when needed.

This build has served me well post first round of balance changes but I dunno how it would do when the second set of changes hits. Should be ok since I can spam blessings three times to get to almost full health and shields. Link is the more important component here as even now, I don't depend on my blessings that much with Life Strike on my Dragon Nikana enough to 100% heal me.

[Azawarau]

It's basically a Link-centric build. All maxed mods unless stated otherwise.

1) Corrosive Projection

2) blessings

3) link

4) Narrow Minded

5) Vitality

6) streamline R4

7) Fleeting Expertise R4

8) quick thinking

9) flow

10) rage

11) overextended

Keep Link up 100% of the time. Pop blessings as and when needed.

This build has served me well post first round of balance changes but I dunno how it would do when the second set of changes hits. Should be ok since I can spam blessings three times to get to almost full health and shields. Link is the more important component here as even now, I don't depend on my blessings that much with Life Strike on my Dragon Nikana enough to 100% heal me.

You can certainly afford to drop streamline and fleeting with rage

[Monolake]

Perma-God mode is back if you know how to. thats all I want to say.  

[Azawarau]

Perma-God mode is back if you know how to. thats all I want to say.  

Use QT

 

Press 4...

[Haematite]

Okay second round! =D

 

Before I start I wanna thank you guys for talking it out here on my post. 

 

Starting from Hoaking I'd like start by replying to what you wrote, ermmm I kinda mentioned this in my previous comment that I kinda know that there is a way to play Trinity and is a sure fire way of surviving (I guess) but what I'm trying to say is, shouldn't there be more to a warframe's development? I wrote more about it on my previous post and (In the manner you suggest that how DE should deal with my issue at hand) you should just go up and read into further detail rather than saying things that have already been addressed by me (also you do sound $&*&*#(%& if that was what you're aiming for).

 

Sora, thanks for your advice and words of understanding, I'm sure you already know this if you read on my earlier comment. Adapting isn't problematic at first. It starts to get hectic when there are changes very drastic form nerfs which i had also addressed on partly.

 

Okay next Ares! I'm sure you already know that I don't like to tell my team mates what they can do and what they can't do afterall It would seem rather rude to do so. Also If you've considered how many times you're in the middle of battle and have the time to find a solitary enemy to sap from using energy vampire you might notice it isn't really a safe Idea. Also if you're playing a public match there is also the risk of your energy vampire victim being killed by random players before you can extract the energy from him/her/it.

 

Azawaru! Okay I'm gonna say this to but you should go back up and read one more time at my comment closely you'd come to understand how trinity is able to do more than heal herself but takes far to much time to do those things. It's like she's building whole hospital only to have it blown away by some batch of homicidal Grineer.

 

Next. Okay the coversation between Fried rice an Azawaru. It's great to see you guys share about your build on post and comments on trinity's current state. Also before you suggest that I use that build. As I've said before thats not the real issue here. But keep talking you guys are what help make the warframe community a bit more informative and constructive.

 

Monolake. No. Read up about what else I'm addressing about especially on how I talk about how nerfs might be implemented to quickly and that adjustments taken by player is quite extensive.

 

Once again thanks guys for writing on my post and If I hear from you guys once again then I will, If not bye! =D

[Haematite]

hmm my post seems to have been misinterpreted as a vulgarity ( the part which looks like a batch of symbols) I do avoid using vulgarities on forums belive me. And in case hoaking you do read this the sentence goes something like this " ( you sound exactly like you do as you mentioned in your comment). That's all I needed to address for now.....