Nyx

[Azawarau]

It is just the main issue, not the only one.

After a quick test i found lvl 30 enemies not draining enough to make complain worthy

 

I dont see it being a problem currently

 

When i relevel my nyx ill try again with larger groups of enemies

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

After a quick test i found lvl 30 enemies not draining enough to make complain worthy

 

I dont see it being a problem currently

 

When i relevel my nyx ill try again with larger groups of enemies

Try it without corrupted mods, and have a team mate shoot you with a fully modded penta.

[Azawarau]

Try it without corrupted mods, and have a team mate shoot you with a fully modded penta.

I said level 30 enemies

 

Allies are a whole different scenario

[-Xenomorph.Queen-]

learn to use nyx properly and stop whinning.

 

Nys is fine right now, yes its a defensive skill but is really powerfull and useful in long t4 games like t4defense and t4 survival with a good build you're not gonna get problems at all. 

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

I said level 30 enemies

 

Allies are a whole different scenario

It proves just how fast your energy can drop, and subsequently, how broken absorb is. . 

 

Also, team mates are going to be accidentally shooting you, level 30 enemies don't magically cause bullets to home in on themselves instead.

[Dualstar]

A few team mates with explosives can near-instantly pop your absorb.

Then get rid of the friendly fire.

 

That was arguably the biggest problem with Absorb to begin with anyway.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

Then get rid of the friendly fire.

 

That was arguably the biggest problem with Absorb to begin with anyway.

That's the most needed change, yes.

[Azawarau]

A few team mates with explosives can near-instantly pop your absorb.

 

 

Thats the only issue though

 

Enemies dont damage it near as much as allies

 

 

I said level 30 enemies

 

Allies are a whole different scenario

 

 

It proves just how fast your energy can drop, and subsequently, how broken absorb is. . 

 

Also, team mates are going to be accidentally shooting you, level 30 enemies don't magically cause bullets to home in on themselves instead.

 

 

That's the most needed change, yes.

 

Why are you mentioning it so much then?

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

Because both are a problem, friendlies tend to do more damage than low level enemies, and are more controllable during tests so they are a good way illustrate the problem with absorb current setup.

[Azawarau]

Because both are a problem, friendlies tend to do more damage than low level enemies, and are more controllable during tests so they are a good way illustrate the problem with absorb current setup.

We tend to do more damage than enemies

 

Especially when you consider wide range AoEs

 

If friendly fire were turned off then that issue wold be done with

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

We tend to do more damage than enemies

 

Especially when you consider wide range AoEs

 

If friendly fire were turned off then that issue wold be done with

I think we disagree on that, but turning off friendly fire is a good first step that we can at least agree on.

[Crewell]

If only Nyx had some other powers to use other than Absorb. It would be sweet if she had something to make enemies shoot each other instead. That way heavy damage enemies would be partially neutralized... If only.

[Salenstormwing]

That was the whole point, friend. It was a defensive option.  Now it is a very crappy attack option.

 

That's what folks said about Frost's Snow Globe. And that didn't get reverted either.

 

Just accept that it's not going to happen, and learn to love Absorb the way it currently is.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

That's what folks said about Frost's Snow Globe. And that didn't get reverted either.

 

Just accept that it's not going to happen, and learn to love Absorb the way it currently is.

No, I will just add Nyx, and Nyx/Prime to the rubbish pile of Frames I won't use.

 

The globe nerf was crap too.  A better solution would have been simply not to allow the globe to be shot through, at all.

[Salenstormwing]

No, I will just add Nyx, and Nyx/Prime to the rubbish pile of Frames I won't use.

 

The globe nerf was crap too.  A better solution would have been simply not to allow the globe to be shot through, at all.

 

Yeah, if that's your opinion, please don't use Nyx then. The folks who actually know how to use her will be more than happy to continue using her to the best of her advantage. Nyx is fine. Frost is fine. Maybe the problem isn't the game. Maybe you should look inward.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Einde
Made convenient.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

 

Yeah, if that's your opinion, please don't use Nyx then. The folks who actually know how to use her will be more than happy to continue using her to the best of her advantage. Nyx is fine. Frost is fine. Maybe the problem isn't the game. Maybe you should look inward.

 

Considering the nerfs I propose constantly, I don't really see how it could be claimed that I want everything to be OP.  Just look at my thread where I suggest nerfing Hysteria by removing its invincibility.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Einde
Made convenient.

[Salenstormwing]

 

Considering the nerfs I propose constantly, I don't really see how it could be claimed that I want everything to be OP.  Just look at my thread where I suggest nerfing Hysteria by removing its invincibility.

And just because you propose nerfs for one thing does not give you the right to suggest unnerfing other things that are OP if they were unnerfed. See, that's the problem; the Snow Globe and Absorb were both tank-tastic and made it almost completely impossible to LOSE on defense, by standing in one place and spamming the power usage. Now though, you use them as effective counters to ASSIST your team in a pinch, but you're not going to be able to just tank ALL the high level damage of a high level wave with your single power. So yeah, it's not going to happen. And yes, Hysteria needs to be nerfed, but that doesn't mean calling for it means you get to unnerf something "you really like".

Edited September 26, 2014 by Einde
Made convenient.

[pepsi-tan]

Try it without corrupted mods, and have a team mate shoot you with a fully modded penta.

 

Three penta shells do not put a significant dent in my efficiency build's energy. Ogris does not put a significant dent in my energy. I mean, I was pretty pissed when I heard about this change because I love Nyx, but the truth of the matter is when you spec her properly, this change doesn't effect her nearly as much as you make it out to. And so I also take issue with something else you said here. You're not running corrupted mods but your team is with a fully modded penta? That sounds like you're playing with people far above your level, and that's why you're seeing absorb fail. I have a hunch you don't have a good proper build for absorb, and your own deficiency is not reflective of the balancing of the skill.

[koopagon]

ODD vs nyx absorb...

 

V1(100 drain,set time, no in use cost but unable to cancel) absorb could get a group to wave 50 no problem solo.(no assistance from the other 3 people)

 

v2(low cost, drain per second) could get to about the same with a proper efficiency build.

 

v3(the current version) can only get to about wave 30-35 solo but will quickly start losing all efficiency due to parasitic eximus.

 

i think it's pretty good where it is right now.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

1.) Snow Globe and Absorb were both tank-tastic and made it almost completely impossible to LOSE on defense, by standing in one place and spamming the power usage. 

 

2.) Hysteria needs to be nerfed, but that doesn't mean calling for it means you get to unnerf something "you really like".

1.) Just because they were "tank-tastic", as you put it, doesn't mean they should be ruined by a lazy fix.  As I said before, there are other, more creative ways of fixing them that involves more than just slapping a health bar on them.

 

2.) I never claimed that it made me "automatically" right.  It just proves your claims, that I want every to be OP, false.

 

 

 

Three penta shells do not put a significant dent in my efficiency build's energy. Ogris does not put a significant dent in my energy. I mean, I was pretty &!$$ed when I heard about this change because I love Nyx, but the truth of the matter is when you spec her properly, this change doesn't effect her nearly as much as you make it out to. And so I also take issue with something else you said here. You're not running corrupted mods but your team is with a fully modded penta? That sounds like you're playing with people far above your level, and that's why you're seeing absorb fail. I have a hunch you don't have a good proper build for absorb, and your own deficiency is not reflective of the balancing of the skill.

A lot of people just don't use corrupted mods because trying to play a mission that you can fail pure based on RNG while playing solo is not fun. It has nothing to do with level.

 

Also, instead of personal attack, which only hurt your argument by making it look weak and shallow, you should try posting actual evidence.  Just a thought.

[SgtFlex]

She's fine the way she is now. She still has near-invincibility whilst in that state, and it seems to take, still, quite a while before any enemies can drain all of your energy pool down to nada. Not only that, she still has the whole knockdown at the end of the ability which, imo, makes her ults one of the more powerful ones, ESPECIALLY because it's a toggle.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

ODD vs nyx absorb...

 

V1(100 drain,set time, no in use cost but unable to cancel) absorb could get a group to wave 50 no problem solo.(no assistance from the other 3 people)

 

v2(low cost, drain per second) could get to about the same with a proper efficiency build.

 

v3(the current version) can only get to about wave 30-35 solo but will quickly start losing all efficiency due to parasitic eximus.

 

i think it's pretty good where it is right now.

V1 - balanced but needed to the ability to end early, no other changes were needed

 

V2 - the buff made it OP as hell

 

V3 - nerfed to be WORSE than either V2 or V1, effectively worthless

 

Hell, a better solution would have been keep the Energy drain feature, but cap it at 100 (possibly more or less depending on mods).  Meaning, when you absorb enough damage to drain 100 energy, absorb would pop automatically. -giving it an effective health bar without it be able to destroy your entire energy bar in seconds.

 

Again, it is a better solution that just requires a little creative thinking.

[pepsi-tan]

A lot of people just don't use corrupted mods because trying to play a mission that you can fail pure based on RNG while playing solo is not fun. It has nothing to do with level.

 

Also, instead of personal attack, which only hurt your argument by making it look weak and shallow, you should try posting actual evidence.  Just a thought.

 

???????????

 

What missions are you playing where you can fail purely based on RNG? There are no such missions in this game. At all. You either have the gear/skill to take on the mission or you don't. RNG doesn't factor into success rate of a mission. And you were talking about being shot at by your teammates, not playing solo. If you're playing solo who's going to shoot a penta at you?

 

And how would corrupted mods even factor into this RNG fail of yours? Do you understand what they actually do? Do you have any? I run corrupted mods constantly, whether I'm solo'ing or playing with pugs, or playing with my clan, and so do thousands of players.

 

Let's take a look at your super basic Nyx build if you want to use all four skills (for god knows what reason)

And the effect on absorb

 

Now let's exchange some of those mods for corrupted mods to spec for absorb

And the effect on absorb

 

Let's take a look at a Nyx spec'd purely for def with maxed range with the help of our friend the forma

 

Lets's tweak that because we want a useful chaos and mind control.

 

Look at that, the efficiency is still amazing. You won't lose your energy because of an ogris or penta with these builds.

 

Here's my nyx vs my penta

http://youtu.be/YlUsScChZ-A

It didn't put a dent in my energy.

 

Here's my nyx vs an ogris

http://youtu.be/bMEk_1L450M

 

Tell me, how are you gonna "RNG fail" because of the corrupted mods using these builds? I'm not attacking you, I'm explaining to you that your horizon is limited, and your inability to spec for a skill is not a cause to change the skill.

 

Again, it is a better solution that just requires a little creative thinking.

 

Maybe creative thinking is finding a way to make the ability work for you, like most of us have.

Edited September 26, 2014 by pepsi-tan

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

1.) What missions are you playing where you can fail purely based on RNG? There are no such missions in this game. At all. You either have the gear/skill to take on the mission or you don't. RNG doesn't factor into success rate of a mission.

 

2.) Maybe creative thinking is finding a way to make the ability work for you, like most of us have.

1.) Vault runs.  Either your key works or it doesn't.

 

2.) I do learn to deal with it.  However, that doesn't invalidate criticism.  Just because I can deal with something does not mean that something is good, efficient, the best choice, or even acceptable. 

[pepsi-tan]

1.) Vault runs.  Either your key works or it doesn't.

 

2.) I do learn to deal with it.  However, that doesn't invalidate criticism.  Just because I can deal with something does not mean that something is good, efficient, the best choice, or even acceptable. 

 

1. Go to recruit channel, get three more people to run vaults, no chance of failure. Or buy/trade the mods on the trade channel.

 

2. You're not dealing with it if you're asking for a buff. The skill works for everyone else.

Edited September 26, 2014 by pepsi-tan