Rydiak Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Edit- Further testing shows that the pre-14.6 stagger-state that you would gain at 2 hp is now gone or very hard to trigger (possibly some other form of attack that would stagger you normally, like an Impact proc). Now Quick Thinking just becomes an issue of efficiency. Obviously the old "million effective hp" QT+Rage combo has been fixed, so QT+Rage now has to be compared to Reflex Guard and Vitality/Redirection/Vigor in terms of slot efficiency and that it is a drain on your energy (which in T4+ situations is very detrimental). Disregard this thread for now. Edited September 24, 2014 by Rydiak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tveeggad Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I'd say it's rather time for Quick Thinking to ACTUALLY WORK. EDIT: But yes, the stagger can get out as well. Edited September 24, 2014 by ConcretePie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) What are you talking about? There is no stagger anymore. I guess people just like to complain. Read this: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/309062-rage-and-quick-thinking/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ygfP3OczyM Edited September 24, 2014 by RexSol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tveeggad Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 What are you talking about? There is no stagger anymore. I guess people just like to complain. Read this: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/309062-rage-and-quick-thinking/ What are YOU talking about? It's still there. It happened to me personally 5 minutes ago. Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 What are YOU talking about? It's still there. It happened to me personally 5 minutes ago. Sadly. Oh, there was no stagger on U14.6 Nevermind then, continue the complains about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Its still broken on valkyr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tveeggad Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Oh, there was no stagger on U14.6 Nevermind then, continue the complains about it. Honestly, it seems to go from stagger to no stagger as often as I change socks. Which is mostly every day, mind you. So I can't really be sure if I am actually right. Or if you are. Is everything a lie? Well, I'm swapping QT out for.. Uh, let's go with Fast Deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I'm gonna test it right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRufus7x Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Honestly, it seems to go from stagger to no stagger as often as I change socks. Which is mostly every day, mind you. So I can't really be sure if I am actually right. Or if you are. Is everything a lie? Well, I'm swapping QT out for.. Uh, let's go with Fast Deflection. Does anyone actually use that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I just tested. No stagger guys. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydiak Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 And *I* just tested it, and got staggered. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Proof? I got recorded video on both PvE and PvP. Tested right now. No Stagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydiak Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 I was playing Saryn in the Void. Hit 2 HP and began to bounce back and forth (as per usual) until I was killed. I don't have anything to record, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I just tested with a Valkyr using: Vitality, Rage, Quick Thinking, Flow, Steel Fiber. Tested on T4 Defense solo first, and then tested in the Conclaves with the help of a friend. No stagger whatsoever. I recorded both tests. Everything is working exactly as i said on that topic i posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolake Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 try on laser MOAs, they used to stagger due to continuous fire (not sure about now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydiak Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Alright, I just tested again quickly on Grineer on Earth and did NOT get the usual stagger effect. Perhaps I was being hit by something else earlier? I do not know at this point, but now I am inclined to agree with Eagle. It seems the old (pre-14.6) stagger effect is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkillo32 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 lol i didn't even know that you stagger when u have QT on i thought those were just lucky impact procs lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydiak Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Pre-14.6 nearly every attack on your when you were at 2 hp would stagger your character, but the pros (an effective million hp pool) greatly outweighed that con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Alright, I just tested again quickly on Grineer on Earth and did NOT get the usual stagger effect. Perhaps I was being hit by something else earlier? I do not know at this point, but now I am inclined to agree with Eagle. It seems the old (pre-14.6) stagger effect is gone. Maybe the stagger you experienced earlier, was caused by another source. For example a void grenade, or a random impact status proc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydiak Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 I am thinking Impact proc at this point. I cannot replicate it otherwise versus regular Grineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I was playing Saryn in the Void. Hit 2 HP and began to bounce back and forth (as per usual) until I was killed. I don't have anything to record, sorry. If youre being staggered just roll out of it Life saving tactic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBadPig Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 It doesn't stagger on Valkyr but does on Saryn try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydiak Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 It doesn't, and we have. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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