About The Lore Of Atterax, Fang And The Kraken.

[Zuijin]

Hello Tennos of every age, Zuijin here with a lore topic, because we don't have enough of them around.

 

I would like to discuss some possible connection (or what I perceive as a connection) between some elements of the little lore we've atm about fang, atterax and the Kraken (I'm putting all of the 3 together in one topic because we don't have enough information yet to start different discussions).

Let's begin with the Atterax: it's new, it's nasty and it's a whip. Codex entry for the Atterax says: "A multi-bladed whip that is adept at flaying skin from bone. In extreme cases, disobedient Grineer are sentenced to death by Atterax."

Which is quite something imo: we've a prime example of the most vicious and violent Grineer in the G3, but they were just imprisoned for their crimes (cold blood murders of fellow Grineers), not sentenced to death by Atterax.

Which begs the question: what kind of crimes the Grineers find heinous and extreme enough for the death penalty via Atterax? Not violence, but apparently disobedience.

I'm speculating here, but disobedience as in "cowardice on the field" seems a weak crime for such a death penalty: I suppose a Grineer commander would kill a gutless grunt with no need for the Atterax or more than one thought, a single bullet to the head seems standard procedure in the field of battle for them.

But what about betrayal as in "I'm going to destroy the monsters who made me"? Now that seems a lot more plausible. A Grineer, if discovered betraying the Queens cause, would  be surely flayed alive in front of his/her clone siblings to set an example. But why a Grineer should wish to betray his/her army? The average Grineer's grunts seem to have only enough intelligence to point their gun in our general direction... and yet, someone between the Grineers could wish to escape and or rebel from the clutch of the Grineers regime or even be a Tenno's sympathizer. Maybe, some Grinners could have shared the technology of their army with the Tennos in an effort to weaken the Queens: it would explain why we as Tennos have access not only to all the Grineer weapons, but even their prototype, as the Nukor or the Jet Kittag, which are not yet even deployed.

 

Let's continue with the Fang: dual daggers that may, or may not, share a common origin with the Pangolin sword. Both Fang and Pangolin Sword seems to have handles made of, or decorated as, chitinous material.

The Pangolin Sword's codex entry tells us that is: "A unique blade used by an old Tenno clan."

We can safely assume Fang are from the same clan or Tenno's sect and (I'm doing a leap of faith here), they share imo some similarities with the motives of the Ash warframe... maybe the "old Tenno clan" was composed of assassins or spies and saboteurs. You can confront the pictures and draw your conclusions:

       VS    and? 

 

Anyway, in game, the Fang can be found in Corpus tileset, besides corpses of Grineers apparently imprisoned and killed on a slab. While the hypothesis of the Fang used as a torture tool could be true, why the Corpus should use a Tenno's weapon to torture Grineer? It seems more plausible the Fang was a personal weapon found on the Grineer. But again, why a Grineer should have a Tenno weapons? What if the Fang is something like a token of trust between the soldier and the Tenno, for service rendered? Those Grineer, captured by the Corpus, could have been Tenno's collaborationists and the Corpus could have captured them to squeeze with torture informations about the Tennos...

 

What do you think, and how would you feel, about  Tenno's sympathizers between the Grineer's troops?

 

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In another topic of discussion, I would like to ask about Hydroid's Kraken.

We know that all warframes channel their powers from the Void (mileage may wary, as with Nekros summoning) in different ways  and with different results and shape (ice, fire, gravity, light and so on).

Than here comes Hydroid that summon something like a living being called the Kraken: "Summons a creature from the deep to wreak havoc."

So I think we've at least 2 possibilities:

1) Hydroid opens a portal to the ocean depths of some planet (the Kraken is hardly your average squid from earth) and allows the tentacles of his friend to came forth. Seems plausible enough, but strange: why a Tenno should tame a creature of the abyss and focus his ultimate ability on it? Every Tenno could tame a squid at this point.

OR

2) The Kraken is something of the Void, maybe one of his... animals (?) and Hydroid allows its manifestation, summoning it directly from the Void. This, other than being a little more lore friendly imo, would make Hydroid the ultimate badass between the frames: not only he survived the trip to the Void, he is so crazy awesome he even tamed the local fauna!

Bring forth the grog! All hail the Space Pirate King! 

Edited September 27, 2014 by Zuijin

[Xeo_Nespydonum]

I like the idea of Fang and Pangolian Sword being from the same "old ways" clan that may have made Ash;  as for why it was in a corpus tileset, I imagine the Corpus found or stole a Fang dagger and were testing its effectiveness on Grineer armor and flesh.

[Zuijin]

I like the idea of Fang and Pangolian Sword being from the same "old ways" clan that may have made Ash;  as for why it was in a corpus tileset, I imagine the Corpus found or stole a Fang dagger and were testing its effectiveness on Grineer armor and flesh.

 

it's just me, or testing daggers on cloned flesh seems... inefficent? I mean, a blade is meant to cut flesh, the Corpus should not need a test for it...

I'm ok with the idea of trying them on Grineer's armor, but again, why leaving it on the poor grunts?

[RossRam]

Actually, it was just Hek's initiative to make G3 a Tenno assassins. Ruk said threatened to burn he whole Grustrag because "no doctor can cure disloyalty". So I believe it is just a matter of perspective. You do not need to be a rebel against Twin Queens to be executed with Atterax. If it was someone else on Hek's place, G3 could be dead already, and maybe with the help of this whip.

Edited September 27, 2014 by RossRam

[(PSN)Strifedecer]

Hydroid's Tentacle Swarm, what I heard of, and what I saw, were completely different. And it was ridiculous.

Edited September 27, 2014 by (PS4)Strifedecer

[Zuijin]

Actually, it was just Hek's initiative to make G3 a Tenno assassins. Ruk said threatened to burn he whole Grustrag because "no doctor can cure disloyalty". So I believe it is just a matter of perspective. You do not need to be a rebel against Twin Queens to be executed with Atterax. If it was someone else on Hek's place, G3 could be dead already, and maybe with the help of this whip.

 

The G3 were incarcerated for study to be precise, and conditioned to become Tenno's hunters. But hardly they disobeyed against the Queens or the Grineers: Vem Tabook simply wouldn't want to wait for the ship to reach its destination and so he killed all the other Grineers on board of the ship. Their violence is abnormal true, but acceptable for some Grineers (Uncle Hek).

Strangely enough Sprag and Venkra'Tel seem very distant from the G3 (Hek's pet project), while have been created, or trained, by Hek.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Zuijin

[StinkyPygmy]

I always though Hydroid just followed a similar principle to frost, being able to control and manipulate water vapour in the air.

Not unlike water bending or fire bending to draw a comparison. The logic behind why he can do that being space/void magic.

The "kraken" clearly consists of water so I'm more inclined to think Hyrdoid is just being more creative with the way he manipulates his water based abilities. 

 

The whole summoning a water squid theory seems a bit off and kind of redonk IMO.

But thats just me. I prefer to think frames abilities are based on purely what the frame itself has control over and can do rather then void portals and stuff.

Edited September 27, 2014 by StinkyPygmy

[Zuijin]

I always though Hydroid just followed a similar principle to frost, being able to control and manipulate water vapour in the air.

Not unlike water bending or fire bending to draw a comparison. The logic behind why he can do that being space/void magic.

The "kraken" clearly consists of water so I'm more inclined to think Hyrdoid is just being more creative with the way he manipulates his water based abilities. 

 

True, but the ability description is quite clear and flamboyant on the argument...

For the same reason, his first ability should be called "heavy rain" at this point... maybe a retcon is needed?

[StinkyPygmy]

 

True, but the ability description is quite clear and flamboyant on the argument...

 

For the same reason, his first ability should be called "heavy rain" at this point... maybe a retcon is needed?

 

True true.

I've never thought about it too much but I thought that was just a really cool way to describe what the ability does in a few lines.

Rather then "Creates a bunch of water tentacles that throw dudes around. Hydroid thought of this cool trick after watching a bunch of hentai on space Internet."

[Lost_Cartographer]

Pretty sure the Atterax would be used on cowards and betrayers.  The G3 got by without the lashing because they wiped out an entire ship's worth of personnel - something Tenno do regularly - and Hek saw the value in that kind of killing prowess.  To instill loyalty, the Grineer want to make a public display of the most brutal way to die.  Either fight the enemy and die quickly to a bullet to the head, or get slowly whipped to death with a rope with saw-blades attached to it.  I bet the executioner is Kela De Theym, who may or may not practice the whip on otherwise loyal Grineer anyway.

[Zuijin]

Pretty sure the Atterax would be used on cowards and betrayers.  The G3 got by without the lashing because they wiped out an entire ship's worth of personnel - something Tenno do regularly - and Hek saw the value in that kind of killing prowess.  To instill loyalty, the Grineer want to make a public display of the most brutal way to die.  Either fight the enemy and die quickly to a bullet to the head, or get slowly whipped to death with a rope with saw-blades attached to it.  I bet the executioner is Kela De Theym, who may or may not practice the whip on otherwise loyal Grineer anyway.

 

Nah... Lech Krill will do the honor. He's basically a space hangman from the future: hammers, nails and whips are the tools of his job and I think Khela de Theym loves her troops a little too much (if you catch my drift) to be an executioner: the quote "her soldiers are for her entertainment too" can be read in more than one way ;).

 

Btw to stay on topic, I know I don't have any true and final proof to advocate the existence of Tenno's sympathizer among the Grineer, but I like the idea more than a general "We hacked their mainframe and acquired every single blueprint of their weapons". It would be a nice twist of the current image of the Grineer, mindless ugly goons with little to no history other than:

Day 1: out of the tubes.

Day 2: Training. All Hail the Kweeens

Day 3: First contact with the Tennos

Day 4:

 

Edit: BUT we have the misterious Baro Ki'Teer and his archwing datas. Atm we don't know a thing on him, but surely his name sounds a little Grineer... we will see, I suppose.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Zuijin

[Lost_Cartographer]

 

Nah... Lech Krill will do the honor. He's basically a space hangman from the future: hammers, nails and whips are the tools of his job and I think Khela de Theym loves her troops a little too much (if you catch my drift) to be an executioner: the quote "her soldiers are for her entertainment too" can be read in more than one way ;).

 

Btw to stay on topic, I know I don't have any true and final proof to advocate the existence of Tenno's sympathizer among the Grineer, but I like the idea more than a general "We hacked their mainframe and acquired every single blueprint of their weapons". It would be a nice twist of the current image of the Grineer, mindless ugly goons with little to no history other than:

Day 1: out of the tubes.

Day 2: Training. All Hail the Kweeens

Day 3: First contact with the Tennos

Day 4:

 

Edit: BUT we have the misterious Baro Ki'Teer and his archwing datas. Atm we don't know a thing on him, but surely his name sounds a little Grineer... we will see, I suppose.

 

Eh... depends on how much of a machine she is.  But place holder models are really poor representations of a character's physical capabilities. I imagine her being like Metal Gear Rising's Raiden simply because it would be cool to have a "Tenno" boss in a Grineer way but I digress.

 

And I don't think all of them would be Tenno sympathizers, more like they don't agree with the Grineer philosophy and joined rogue groups such as the Red Veil.  They'd certainly fare a better chance siding with a force they can tangibly discuss and interact with in means other than sheer ultra-violence.

[Zuijin]

Eh... depends on how much of a machine she is.  But place holder models are really poor representations of a character's physical capabilities. I imagine her being like Metal Gear Rising's Raiden simply because it would be cool to have a "Tenno" boss in a Grineer way but I digress.

 

And I don't think all of them would be Tenno sympathizers, more like they don't agree with the Grineer philosophy and joined rogue groups such as the Red Veil.  They'd certainly fare a better chance siding with a force they can tangibly discuss and interact with in means other than sheer ultra-violence.

 

I find the cyborgs from the MGS franchise a little too lean and clean to be Grineer: they are, and should be, boxy and have a feel of "dented and rusted iron" on them. Take Vor for instance: 3 of 4 limbs replaced with prosthetics, and who knows what and in how much quantity  at organ's level... to not talk about uncle Hek, the yellow turkey.

 

Ofc, Grinner's defiant could join splinter groups like the Red Veil, but atm the Tennos are the best and most promising (and maybe the only) chance to defeat the Kweens, so I think in the end it would be little to no difference, lore wise, to join Red Veil or Green Scarf or whatever group: wherever a weak will need protection in warframe, he or she will reach for the Tennos.

[Lost_Cartographer]

 

I find the cyborgs from the MGS franchise a little too lean and clean to be Grineer: they are, and should be, boxy and have a feel of "dented and rusted iron" on them. Take Vor for instance: 3 of 4 limbs replaced with prosthetics, and who knows what and in how much quantity  at organ's level... to not talk about uncle Hek, the yellow turkey.

 

 

Depends on the Queens and/or the amount of money a Grineer might throw at the Corpus I guess.  I understand the Grineer either make their own prosthetics, or go for the cheapest they can afford.  I'd like to think a Grineer personally created by the Queens would be afforded some really high quality stuff though.  Of course, we don't know if "high quality" means streamlined and even aesthetically slick, or if it's just her torso bolted to a tank hull.  It IS the Grineer.  Mind, we don't know if the Queens are beautiful, but have a questionable sense of fashion...

 

 

... or ugly as sin (though the former would serve a far stronger contrast while leaving enough room for "ugly.")

Edited September 27, 2014 by Littleman88

[-Himari-]

Moved to a proper section.