Is It True Wf Doesnt Work With An Oc Cpu?

[Corbae]

Been dealing with frequent crashing and just came upon this topic. Is this still true? I have to run my cpu at stock speeds to play WF? I am only barely oc'd it doesn't really matter but would rather not turn it down. 

[Scherhardt]

Works but with frequent crash + hitches.

[taiiat]

Overclocking doesn't have a guaranteed connection to crashing or other performance issues in software.

 

it CAN cause issues, but it's not just going to happen.

 

 

Overclocking any hardware CAN cause issues with any software. there's always a chance.

[Ayoshi]

Overclocked and undervolted here, working like a charm besides just being old hardware.

[Corbae]

Overclocking doesn't have a guaranteed connection to crashing or other performance issues in software.

 

it CAN cause issues, but it's not just going to happen.

 

 

Overclocking any hardware CAN cause issues with any software. there's always a chance.

I am about to give up on WF. I can run any game/software there is crash free but WF will not stay on for me. Guess I will turn my pc to stock speeds and see if that works. Wish their would be more helpful information on the bugs/crashing problems so I could trouble shoot a little easier. The biggest problem is the game has been out in beta forever so when you google search problems 98% of the time you are getting things from very old builds. 

Edited September 30, 2014 by Corbae

[Mesyra]

I am about to give up on WF. I can run any game/software there is crash free but WF will not stay on for me. Guess I will turn my pc to stock speeds and see if that works. Wish their would be more helpful information on the bugs/crashing problems so I could trouble shoot a little easier. The biggest problem is the game has been out in beta forever so when you google search problems 98% of the time you are getting things from very old builds. 

try verifying/reinstaling WF, when my game gets lots of crashes it usually fixes it, also defrag your Hard drive, that helps mine out lots.

[SilentMobius]

Been dealing with frequent crashing and just came upon this topic. Is this still true? I have to run my cpu at stock speeds to play WF? I am only barely oc'd it doesn't really matter but would rather not turn it down. 

 

If an OC'd CPU is causing more crashing in Warframe they you have thermal issues or your CPU is near EOL, end of story.

 

That said, Warframe _really_ thrashes your CPU and GFX card so don't be surprised if it highlights issues you didn't know you had.

[Gintoki-Zero]

click the gear button on the warframe launcher and click optimize at the download cache area

[Corbae]

If an OC'd CPU is causing more crashing in Warframe they you have thermal issues or your CPU is near EOL, end of story.

 

That said, Warframe _really_ thrashes your CPU and GFX card so don't be surprised if it highlights issues you didn't know you had.

This is just not true. It does not put more load on my cpu and gpu then other modern games, in fact it is much less then games like fc3, crysis3, metro, etc etc. I run all those in ultra and occasionally my temps get very hot running WF I do not rise above 55c on either cpu or gpu

 

This is the problem with this board so many people who are clueless post "answers". 

 

Just so more "intelligent" people don't give anymore "answers". I optimized, re installed, tried dx10, running in 64 mode, tried windows 7 compatibility mode, single monitor, turned resolution down all while watching my temperatures.    

Edited September 30, 2014 by Corbae

[taiiat]

Overclocked and undervolted here, working like a charm besides just being old hardware.

Overclocking and Undervolting? that sounds unlikely ;)

Undervolting while increasing Energy demand would lower stability. if you mean Overvolting, then that makes sense.

 

 

This is just not true. It does not put more load on my cpu and gpu then other modern games. I do not rise above 55c on either cpu or gpu, this is the problem with this board so many people who are clueless post "answers". 

Warframe is very CPU intensive. GPU, not so much, but Warframe is fairly intensive either way. you can talk ignorant like that, but it's still the case.

 

if you'd like to actually investigate what might be going wrong, you can verify the local data on the Launcher, and it can't hurt to Optimize the local files as well, because, what the hey. 

if it still persists, since we don't really have much information to go on here, i would just direct you over to Support for more direct assistance.

 

Edit:

on a side note, it can't hurt to run a stress test with your Overclocked settings, to see if it's stable in it's own right. if it isn't, then that's a problem inofitself, and will likely worsen the situation.

 

use more than one method when stress testing CPU, as different instruction types stress it in different ways.

oh, by stress testing, i mean torture testing. sorry for being a big vague.

Edited September 30, 2014 by taiiat

[Corbae]

 

 

 

Warframe is very CPU intensive. GPU, not so much, but Warframe is fairly intensive either way. you can talk ignorant like that, but it's still the case.

 

if you'd like to actually investigate what might be going wrong, you can verify the local data on the Launcher, and it can't hurt to Optimize the local files as well, because, what the hey. 

if it still persists, since we don't really have much information to go on here, i would just direct you over to Support for more direct assistance.

 

I was NOT asking for you to give me an answer that would have required "information to go on". I was asking a very simple question, does OC'ing mess with WF and I got a few good answers and some very stupid ones. If oc'ing in general was causing my pc to be unstable then it would have NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH WF but I was not asking for OC'ing advice or advice on how to optimize etc etc. Just if Warframe has been shown to be unstable with overclocked pcs.

 

You can call me ignorant but when I talk about cpu intensive software this is not something that comes to mind, yes you are right it uses more of my cpu then my browser does. 

 

My other thread when I was foolishly asking this board for help.

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/316345-am-i-the-only-one-experiences-frequent-crashes/#entry3576238

Edited September 30, 2014 by Corbae

[Rydian]

This is just not true. It does not put more load on my cpu and gpu then other modern games   

1 - Download and run this.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

 

2 - Bring up Warframe's information while it's running, and pay attention to both the GPU and CPU usage info.

 

3 - Do the same for other games that don't have these issues.  See if there's a difference or not in the usage of either the CPU or GPU, especially as it nears crash time.

 

 

Just so more "intelligent" people don't give anymore "answers". I optimized, re installed, tried dx10, running in 64 mode, tried windows 7 compatibility mode, single monitor, turned resolution down all while watching my temperatures.    

But you didn't check hardware stability?

 

CPU Stress Test: http://www.mersenne.org/download/

GPU Stress Test: http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/

 

These will do better than standard games at running your CPU/GPU to the max to see if they're stable at the current clock rates.

[Ayoshi]

Overclocking and Undervolting? that sounds unlikely ;)

Undervolting while increasing Energy demand would lower stability. if you mean Overvolting, then that makes sense.

 

Believe or not undervolting while overclocking is a thing, while the default voltage is higher than needed for the cpu to work, you can undervolt it to the bare minimum even while overclocking, higher performance and less energy usage(also a bonus of less heating) =D

[taiiat]

I was asking a very simple question, does OC'ing mess with WF and I got a few good answers and some very stupid ones.

 

If oc'ing in general was causing my pc to be unstable then it would have NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH WF

- and you got your answer. Warframe isn't notorious for Overclocking issues, but any specific set of Hardware and Software experiences a different situation in any software, so it's always possible.

my machine is Overclocked and Warframe almost always runs fine. crashes... probably once every 200+ hours of play time.

 

- not necessarily. an unstable machine can still run just fine if applications never push the system in the right way to bring out that instability.

 

CPU Stress Test: http://www.mersenne.org/download/

GPU Stress Test: http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/

 

These will do better than standard games at running your CPU/GPU to the max to see if they're stable at the current clock rates.

thank you. though Prime95 is only one part of the test, some other CPU torture test options that... i can't remember the names off off the top of my head that will stress the system with different instruction types are a good idea to get a broader idea of what to expect.

 

Believe or not undervolting while overclocking is a thing, while the default voltage is higher than needed for the cpu to work, you can undervolt it to the bare minimum even while overclocking, higher performance and less energy usage(also a bonus of less heating) =D

it's certainly possible, though generally you need to increase the Voltage by a bit any time the total Clock Speed goes up. but you can certainly have it a lot lower than Overclocking normally has it at if you do a lot of testing and baby step it down until you find the instability point.

 

that situation will certainly vary between CPU's, Socket types, and other components, though.

Edited September 30, 2014 by taiiat

[_Arwys_]

yes it sure does.a year ago when i first got my pc i o/cd the cpu.i log in and the game goes as far as banning me.i had to email DE to unban the explanation was that i had o/cd my cpu.. the did reimburse me some plat though :D

[d1sc1p1e]

i've built, tuned and tested my own machine and know it inside out and have been able to get it absolutely humming with a rather huge OC. currently i'm experiencing the same problem, constant crashing for no apparent reason. i've sent a support ticket and have no answer yet, and in the meantime have run the classic gamut, updated all related software etc. i've just finished redownloading and verifying the game but haven't had a chance to test it yet. 

 

will let you know what i find.

[Rydian]

i've built, tuned and tested my own machine and know it inside out and have been able to get it absolutely humming with a rather huge OC. currently i'm experiencing the same problem, constant crashing for no apparent reason. i've sent a support ticket and have no answer yet, and in the meantime have run the classic gamut, updated all related software etc. i've just finished redownloading and verifying the game but haven't had a chance to test it yet. 

 

will let you know what i find.

If it keeps crashing do a Memtest+, Prime95, and Furmark.

[PlebbyMilliner]

i've built, tuned and tested my own machine and know it inside out and have been able to get it absolutely humming with a rather huge OC. currently i'm experiencing the same problem, constant crashing for no apparent reason. i've sent a support ticket and have no answer yet, and in the meantime have run the classic gamut, updated all related software etc. i've just finished redownloading and verifying the game but haven't had a chance to test it yet. 

 

will let you know what i find.

 

Test it Overclocked.

 

If it continues to crash then un-overclock it and retest.

[d1sc1p1e]

If it keeps crashing do a Memtest+, Prime95, and Furmark.

 

 

Test it Overclocked.

 

If it continues to crash then un-overclock it and retest.

 

all fine. i have to stress this doesn't seem to be a problem with my PC at all, which has been running it's current config and clock for over 5 months so far with no problems, it's specific to Warframe. i even have the P95 info in regards to my second core not liking any voltage increase above 2.32%, that's how far in i understand this machine.

 

i will test Warframe spcifically with no CPU clock(GPU un-clock affects nothing) but i'm more interested in DE's network. like most New Zealanders i have rubbish internet, but i can't find any minimum numbers from DE about Warframes requirements.

 

another issue i'm dealing with is Cache verification. it seems every time i verify Warframe Steam is finding a huge ammount of unallocated data and has to redownload 4.7GB. then once that's done Warframe's launcher needs to d/l 750MB. this has happened, no s**t, 3 times since first posting in this thread. that seems insane. either the server i'm downloading off doesn't have the complete game, or my HDD is corrupt, but something here is worth investigating.

 

EDIT:

 

found this-

 

Gold Tiger

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:23 AM

Unlocking to add my $0.02 on your issue Kryo,

 

Steam sometimes acts very iffy with Warframe; if you verify Warframe using Steam (or if you have "keep this game up to date" with steam settings) then the game will redownload entirely. This is because the version of Warframe on Steam's servers (which it checks your files against) are actually outdated, but Steam doesn't know that (it thinks the files on Steam's servers are the latest versions). Paired with how patches are applied (they apply directly to the game's big files, which is what steam checks/verifies) means that Steam will think that all of your game's data is outdated/corrupted, forcing an entire redownload.

 

I suggest Downloading the standalone installer and installing Warframe that way. Make sure you right click and "Run as Administrator" when installing, and that the install directory is your Program Files folder (and not "<user>\appdata\local\"). You do not need an admin from Warframe to allow you to install the game. If you're still having trouble getting the standalone installer to run, please feel free to send a private message my way. I can probably help troubleshoot the issue for you.

 

Relocking.

Edited September 30, 2014 by d1sc1p1e

[Rydian]

I have to stress that just because a number of programs work does not mean an OC is stable.  Running parts at 100% load for hours is a much better test for stability than "Most programs don't crash", which is why programs such as Furmark and Memtest were created.  Make sure to do Memtest as well, as CPU overclocks also affect RAM operation.

 

And yes, Steam's verify option does not work well with games that use their own launcher+updater... though with the launcher updates we've gotten that option will only cause the Warframe launcher to need to re-update you, it won't reduce Warframe's stability (as Warframe's launcher will fix and verify the data upon upload).