Simple Buff To The Braton Prime

[Semshol]

-looks at sheev-

nah i think braton vandal still somewhat decent

 

I'm actually using the Sheev, it's not that horrid, and that's with no mods on?

 

It has decent attack speed and I just don't see a problem with it. It's no fang prime, but it's not horrid for a free event weapon.

[markus230]

-looks at sheev-

nah i think braton vandal still somewhat decent

 

Sheev is not that bad weapon, just dont add Pointed Wind, and add Fury. Status chance makes it pretty good weapon

[Semshol]

Sheev is not that bad weapon, just dont add Pointed Wind, and add Fury. Status chance makes it pretty good weapon

 

Ooooh okay, I haven't added the stance. I will retest after adding it.

 

I don't really focus on melee though, I'm rather bad at it =P

 

So I use whips as a crutch.

 

Back on topic: BUFF ZEE BRATON! x'D (Prime I mean)

[Malikon]

Would be good if the vandal got some love too, I ain't against that :) But I can only do a proper run down for the prime as I only have the prime.

Braton V is almost equivalent of the prime.  A little more accuracy, a little less fire rate and the impact and puncture damage values are swapped.

 

The Prime variant definately needs to be updated to reflect its status as a prime weapon and make it more comparable to its Prime brethren than its Corpus replicated counterpart.  It should also be noted that the Prime needs to have some base polarities added.

 

Updating the Braton V to keep it roughly the same in comparison to the post-updated Braton P as it is now would be marvelous.

 

Edit:  Clarity.

Edited October 3, 2014 by Malikon

[Semshol]

Braton V is almost equivalent of the prime.  A little more accuracy, a little less fire rate and the impact and puncture damage values are swapped.

 

The Prime variant definately needs to be updated to reflect its status as a prime weapon and make it more comparable to its Prime brethren than its Corpus replicated counterpart.  It should also be noted that the Prime needs to have some base polarities added.

 

Updating the Braton V to keep it roughly the same in comparison to the post-updated Braton P as it is now would be marvelous.

 

Edit:  Clarity.

 

Definitely agreed :D

 

But the polarities are okay to be excluded. The core buff needed is its viability. Once it has that, we'd happily push in the necessary formas :D

[Monolake]

x1.44 is not even a huge buff

[Semshol]

x1.44 is not even a huge buff

 

It's not, but the damage is not the key. It's the status. That's the big killer in the higher tiers :)

 

So once we get that + the minor damage increase. Braton Prime becomes viable. Not because it'll be a heavy hitter, but because it'd be a status spitter.

Edited October 3, 2014 by Semshol

[Sloan441]

This has never been a status weapon, though as an autofire gun it's never been bad on status. Still, it's never been what this gun is about.

 

Status as support is useful, but people put way too much emphasis on it. If you're serious about really pushing the game's limits you won't be doing it in PuGs and you will be doing it with 4x corrosive projection. You'll want a guaranteed viral proc at that point, and there's a number of ways to go about that. Even this gun as it presently can run at about 30% status, which is entirely adequate on an autofire gun.

 

What this gun does need is for its base damage to be brought in line with the difficult of obtaining it. It's a T3 weapon. It's equivalent in damage output to a Karak--a beginner foundry weapon. That needs to be fixed. Just raising its damage with the present mix to around 35 would probably be enough. I'd like to see a RoF bump as well, and maybe even a 2 sec reload speed.

 

Nevertheless, that main issue is the base damage and 25 is inadequate on a weapon only available in T3 content.

[SergeiTheBeast]

[MirageKnight]

Not THIS pic again.

 

And yes - it's THIS thread again. As I said in another thread discussing the Braton Prime, threads like this will keep popping up until such time as the Braton Prime is given the buffs it deserves to make us players happy.

 

Now, are you going to contribute something useful to this discussion by suggesting some tweaks to the gun or are you just going to spam gifs and complain?

[SergeiTheBeast]

Not THIS pic again.

 

And yes - it's THIS thread again. As I said in another thread discussing the Braton Prime, threads like this will keep popping up until such time as the Braton Prime is given the buffs it deserves to make us players happy.

 

Now, are you going to contribute something useful to this discussion by suggesting some tweaks to the gun or are you just going to spam gifs and complain?

I wasn't disagreeing with you that it needs a buff, I was merely saying, "Oh look, it's this thread again" as in. Wow, DE still refuses to listen to us on this. So yes THIS AGAIN.

Here, have another cookie.

 

 

P.S. Don't be so quick to get your panties in a knot. I've suggested tweaks and buffs for this gun so many times I can't count it on all my fingers and toes.

[Semshol]

This has never been a status weapon, though as an autofire gun it's never been bad on status. Still, it's never been what this gun is about.

 

Status as support is useful, but people put way too much emphasis on it. If you're serious about really pushing the game's limits you won't be doing it in PuGs and you will be doing it with 4x corrosive projection. You'll want a guaranteed viral proc at that point, and there's a number of ways to go about that. Even this gun as it presently can run at about 30% status, which is entirely adequate on an autofire gun.

 

What this gun does need is for its base damage to be brought in line with the difficult of obtaining it. It's a T3 weapon. It's equivalent in damage output to a Karak--a beginner foundry weapon. That needs to be fixed. Just raising its damage with the present mix to around 35 would probably be enough. I'd like to see a RoF bump as well, and maybe even a 2 sec reload speed.

 

Nevertheless, that main issue is the base damage and 25 is inadequate on a weapon only available in T3 content.

 

Well the reason I suggested the status buff is because:

 

Most weapons require 1 of 4 things to become effective:

- High RoF

- High Status

- High Crit

- High Raw Damage

 

Some weapons have 2 or more factors, but in this case comparing primes to primes:

 

- Boltor Prime is the High Raw Damage

- Burston Prime is the High Status

 

However, since Braton Prime is neither the High Crit/High RoF weapon, I figured it could be a kind of split between the Burston Prime and the Boltor Prime :) Hence some status and decent damage, without taking the shine out of either the other two primes.

 

When thinking about weapon balance though I do focus more on PuGs, because most people can't get 4 x CP groups all day everyday, we just aren't that lucky, so we have to look at whether the gun will be just as effective in a PuG as it will be in a clan run.

-snip-

 

Yup gotta keep this one alive :D

 

Thanks for all the bumps, it actually helps.

 

If people keep it alive, DE will respond...eventually LOL

[RealPandemonium]

Braton Prime is fine, it's the other weapons that it's often compared to that are ridiculous. Maybe some status/crit chance buff would be fine.

[Semshol]

Braton Prime is fine, it's the other weapons that it's often compared to that are ridiculous. Maybe some status/crit chance buff would be fine.

 

It's not fine. Take it to T4 Survival and you will struggle around 25 - 30 mins onwards.

 

To me that is poor balancing, when others in the same tier can go higher.

The Braton Prime and Boltor Prime are not ridiculous weapons.

 

The Boltor just has high raw damage and not much crit with some status potential.

 

The Burston is a status spitter with lower raw damage and burst fire.

 

The Braton, I hope, will be a sort of middle ground between the two.

 

What cannot last more than 30 minutes in a game, is in need of balancing when others in the same tier can. Hence I am asking for this particular buff.

[RealPandemonium]

Infinite content missions are supposed to get harder; that's the whole point.  You're supposed to used teamwork and good fundamentals to survive, not exploit overpowered S#&$.

[Alphafox]

Infinite content missions are supposed to get harder; that's the whole point.  You're supposed to used teamwork and good fundamentals to survive, not exploit overpowered S#&$.

Doesn't change that the weapon need a buff. Even teamwork become inefficient if you are trying to fight your enemies with wet noddles.

[Semshol]

Infinite content missions are supposed to get harder; that's the whole point.  You're supposed to used teamwork and good fundamentals to survive, not exploit overpowered S#&$.

 

Even so, the fact that other primes in the same tier are viable choices, means the Braton Prime is not buffed enough.

[xkillo32]

Sheev is not that bad weapon, just dont add Pointed Wind, and add Fury. Status chance makes it pretty good weapon

bo prime and serro blow it out of the water

 

I'm actually using the Sheev, it's not that horrid, and that's with no mods on?

 

It has decent attack speed and I just don't see a problem with it. It's no fang prime, but it's not horrid for a free event weapon.

im probably just used to the good melee weapons

[Semshol]

bo prime and serro blow it out of the water

 

im probably just used to the good melee weapons

 

Well bo prime and serro are different classes of melees.

 

It's not that bad as a dagger.

 

Of course, I don't personally use a lot of melee. I focus more on other things :D

[alfaomega04]

I seriously don't get when people say that this gun is fine. Yet, to even see anyone using the gun it is a very rare thing and, of course, I have never seen it being used in a "serious" run. Why? Well that's easy: because even the karak can out-dps it along with anything better than the karak and even many secondaries right out put it to shame. 

 

Also to address the other point everyone comes back with the typical response of "Well, I take mine to pluto missions and does fine." Well sure it can, after 5 forma and maxed out mods. However, I can get the same result with my maxed out mk1-brat along with the lato and skana, and to be honest, that's just sad when compared to a prime weapon that's is equally difficult to obtain/craft as the rest of the primes.

 

In short, the buff is still needed.

[MirageKnight]

I seriously don't get when people say that this gun is fine. 

 

Because denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Sorry, I couldn't resist...

 

But yes, your arguments on the matter are quite sound and I agree with you on this. I hope U15 sees Scott actually buff the Braton Prime to acceptable levels.

[Kalenath]

You know?

 

Every time I read the words 'simple' and 'buff' I wonder how many people have actually DONE any programming.

 

Then I remember.

 

No one gives a S#&$ about programming the actual game. They want what they want and to hell with how far from 'simple' it may be. Because the words 'simple' and 'game programming' are MUTUALLY exclusive and nobody cares.

Edited October 4, 2014 by Kalenath

[Semshol]

You know?

 

Every time I read the words 'simple' and 'buff' I wonder how many people have actually DONE any programming.

 

Then I remember.

 

No one gives a S#&$ about programming the actual game. They want what they want and to hell with how far from 'simple' it may be. Because the words 'simple' and 'game programming' are MUTUALLY exclusive and nobody cares.

 

Because changing number values is extremely difficult :)

 

Yes, so hard for a programmer.

 

 

I seriously don't get when people say that this gun is fine. Yet, to even see anyone using the gun it is a very rare thing and, of course, I have never seen it being used in a "serious" run. Why? Well that's easy: because even the karak can out-dps it along with anything better than the karak and even many secondaries right out put it to shame. 

 

Also to address the other point everyone comes back with the typical response of "Well, I take mine to pluto missions and does fine." Well sure it can, after 5 forma and maxed out mods. However, I can get the same result with my maxed out mk1-brat along with the lato and skana, and to be honest, that's just sad when compared to a prime weapon that's is equally difficult to obtain/craft as the rest of the primes.

 

In short, the buff is still needed.

 

Agreed outright :)

 

 

Because denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Sorry, I couldn't resist...

 

But yes, your arguments on the matter are quite sound and I agree with you on this. I hope U15 sees Scott actually buff the Braton Prime to acceptable levels.

 

Lol x'D

[UraLoop]

I'm personally hoping here that IF Braton Prime gets a buff, it would be to crit/status or slash/puncture. Adding Impact won't help and only makes the non-primed version vastly useless.

[Semshol]

I'm personally hoping here that IF Braton Prime gets a buff, it would be to crit/status or slash/puncture. Adding Impact won't help and only makes the non-primed version vastly useless.

 

Well however they do it, as long as it gets a buff I'm happy. But I'd rather status over crit, because the Braton has NEVER been a crit weapon. The Latron Prime is supposed to be the critter :)