Hikou Prime... Yet Another Puncture Throwing Weapon

[Netheroc]

Makes 5 puncture based throwing weapons. Comeon, please add some variety. And why are Hikou puncturing in the first place? They clearly have sharp edges, so it would only be logical to give them slash damage.

[Semshol]

Do you even ninja bro?

 

Shuriken PUNCTURE their target and STICK inside them. They do not slash their targets unless the throw was a glancing blow on the ninja's cheek or something.

 

Please watch a few ninja shows/movies.

 

A slashing throwing weapon is something like the Glaive which is designed for buzz-sawing through opponents.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Semshol

[Airut]

Next you are going suggest bricks to be a new impact throwing weapon?

 

Kunai and Despair have sharp edges too, yet they are puncture. Your argument is insufficient if you actually wanted to prove something.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Airut

[Netheroc]

Do you even ninja bro?

 

Shuriken PUNCTURE their target and STICK inside them. They do now slash their targets unless the throw was a glancing blow on the ninja's cheek or something.

 

Please watch a few ninja shows/movies.

 

A slashing throwing weapon is something like the Glaive which is designed for buzz-sawing through opponents.

Hikous edges will always do slashing damage because they dont puncture straight through the target. Like you said, they stick inside, so the edges cut inside and get stopped, because the star is too big to just puncture all the way through. Thats that. Also i would really like some variety amongst throwing weapons, instead of just choosing Despair because it has top dps.

[Semshol]

Hikous edges will always do slashing damage because they dont puncture straight through the target. Like you said, they stick inside, so the edges cut inside and get stopped, because the star is too big to just puncture all the way through. Thats that. Also i would really like some variety amongst throwing weapons, instead of just choosing Despair because it has top dps.

 

Despair is a horrid weapon by any standard. It does not top-DPS.

 

AkStilettos are better than despair, fyi, because of the status proc.

 

Similarly Hikou Prime is better because of status proc.

 

Despair is a veeeeery veeeeery bad weapon. Take this from a man who has tested ALL the throwing secondaries and I mean ALL because I'm a huge Naruto fan.

[Netheroc]

Next you are going suggest bricks to be a new impact throwing weapon?

What is your problem now? Im pretty sure DE would think of something more fitting to a ninja, if they wanted. My first thought would have been something similar to a bola, just smaller.

[Airut]

AkStilettos are better than despair, fyi, because of the status proc.

 

When will people finally realize that status focused builds are crap?

[YourMoms]

He implied his desperate will for other types of physical damage thrown weapon(secondary I assume).

Such as throwing spheres dealing impact damage or serrated discs dealing slash damage.

This has its right to exist, I say.

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I would not mind having ninja spheres filled with toxin fumes(cryopowder/biohazard mixture etc) and blind/stun effect.

Edited September 30, 2014 by YourMoms

[YourMoms]

When will people finally realize that status focused builds are crap?

 

Status builds are used at high-level end-game gameplay. But who am I to %$..ng lecture you,right?

[Netheroc]

Despair is a horrid weapon by any standard. It does not top-DPS.

 

AkStilettos are better than despair, fyi, because of the status proc.

 

Similarly Hikou Prime is better because of status proc.

 

Despair is a veeeeery veeeeery bad weapon. Take this from a man who has tested ALL the throwing secondaries and I mean ALL because I'm a huge Naruto fan.

Im not talking about Akstiletto, because they are clearly not throwing weapons. And i dont like status chance on weapons with base puncture damage, for obvious reasons.

[Airut]

Status builds are used at high-level end-game gameplay. But who am I to %$..ng lecture you,right?

 

Let's see how effective the procs are against each faction:

 

Infestation: Corrosive + Fire. Corrosive proc does nothing against Infested since they are not even armored. Fire proc's DoT damage is very minimal so it is not even worth relying on.

 

Grineer: 4x Corrosive Projection + Viral + Heat. Viral proc would be useful, if it didn't have the delay before the proc actually affects the enemy's health. Shoot couple 20k headshots with Phage or something similar and every damn enemy before you is dead in matter of seconds, no matter how high-level they are.

 

Corpus: Magnetic + Gas/Toxin. Once again, with high-DPS guns, you will kill enemies before the procs even affect the enemy.

 

Corrupted: Same as Grineer.

 

 

Conclusion: Status builds will only make you kill enemies slower. Slash would be the only proc worth using, but since all the other elemental types decrease the chance of slash proc occurring, relying on that isn't really recommended.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Airut

[tveeggad]

Next you are going suggest bricks to be a new impact throwing weapon?

That would be.. a rock?

 

EDIT: Don't misunderstand me, I would definitely get that.

Edited September 30, 2014 by ConcretePie

[Kalenath]

Bricks?

 

Ah yes! Throwing rocks and bricks a the next throwable weapon!

 

Works for me!

 

Bet it would even out-DPS Boltor Prime so SOME people would say it doesn't suck.

 

After all, the game isn't about FUN, it's about numbers and statistics and math!

Edited September 30, 2014 by Kalenath

[Airut]

That would be.. a rock?

 

EDIT: Don't misunderstand me, I would definitely get that.

 

Rock would be the normal version, and Brick would be the Prime version!

[tveeggad]

Rock would be the normal version, and Brick would be the Prime version!

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY PLATINUM!

[Stormandreas]

Next you are going suggest bricks to be a new impact throwing weapon?

 

Kunai and Despair have sharp edges too, yet they are puncture. Your argument is insufficient if you actually wanted to prove something.

 

 

Hikous edges will always do slashing damage because they dont puncture straight through the target. Like you said, they stick inside, so the edges cut inside and get stopped, because the star is too big to just puncture all the way through. Thats that. Also i would really like some variety amongst throwing weapons, instead of just choosing Despair because it has top dps.

Both Kunai and throwing stars are designed to PUNCTURE targets armour, not to slash them to bits. There is a considerable difference.

If you take a sword (say a katana, for sake of argument), that is designed to slash and cut, whereas kunai and throwing stars are design to impact and puncture, leaving the object stuck in the target (so puncture)

[Sitchrea]

Hikous edges will always do slashing damage because they dont puncture straight through the target. Like you said, they stick inside, so the edges cut inside and get stopped, because the star is too big to just puncture all the way through. Thats that. Also i would really like some variety amongst throwing weapons, instead of just choosing Despair because it has top dps.

An object does not have to go completely through its target in order to puncture it...

 

If I were to throw a knife at someone and it only go halfway through, it still punctured them!

[9tailboy]

Hikous edges will always do slashing damage because they dont puncture straight through the target. Like you said, they stick inside, so the edges cut inside and get stopped, because the star is too big to just puncture all the way through. Thats that. Also i would really like some variety amongst throwing weapons, instead of just choosing Despair because it has top dps.

Ninja logic> Logic

Shurikens can never deal slash damage unless its by the face that is true, and because the slash of a shuriken is based off of it's speed and velocity, most of the time, you will rather punch through an enemy than slash them, thats why we throw them straight in vertical form than horozontal, but horozontal throws means we have to curve our shots and  cause some form of "cut", seriously, watch some asian movies/shows man, you could learn a lot of historical stuff

 

[Vargras]

Makes 5 puncture based throwing weapons.

If you expected anything other than puncture from throwing knives, I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

They shouldn't be slash, despite what you might think.

 

Let's see how effective the procs are against each faction:

 

Infestation: Corrosive + Fire. Corrosive proc does nothing against Infested since they are not even armored. Fire proc's DoT damage is very minimal so it is not even worth relying on.

 

Grineer: 4x Corrosive Projection + Viral + Heat. Viral proc would be useful, if it didn't have the delay before the proc actually affects the enemy's health. Shoot couple 20k headshots with Phage or something similar and every damn enemy before you is dead in matter of seconds, no matter how high-level they are.

 

Corpus: Magnetic + Gas/Toxin. Once again, with high-DPS guns, you will kill enemies before the procs even affect the enemy.

 

Corrupted: Same as Grineer.

 

 

Conclusion: Status builds will only make you kill enemies slower. Slash would be the only proc worth using, but since all the other elemental types decrease the chance of slash proc occurring, relying on that isn't really recommended.

Infested: Ancients have armor. Corrosive is useful against them.

 

Grineer: Why in the world are you running with heat when you should be doing viral + radiation for Heavy Gunners?

 

I suggest you know what you're actually talking about before you try and lecture someone about how a status build is "useless".

Edited September 30, 2014 by Vargras

[VYR3]

I'm gonna try and figure out a way to throw a Throwing knife IRL and make it stick a blade into wood instead of the point, If I find out how, and it actually embeds far enough to be effective, I'll post a pic, if not, you wont see me again :3

 

seriously though, I throw TKs all the time, they would never be a slash based weapon, you throw the tip into the target, not the blade. same with stars, its tips, not blades.

 

*to the backyard*

[Warriorrogue]

Grineer: Why in the world are you running with heat when you should be doing viral + radiation for Heavy Gunners?

 

I suggest you know what you're actually talking about before you try and lecture someone about how a status build is "useless".

I'd advise you read the Grineer one.

4* corrosive projection. That means NO ARMOUR. Therefore, Radiation, and by extension, corrosive, is useless compared to heat.

I'd advise you read before trying to correct them. That means one faction where status builds are useful, and even there, they aren't the best. They still die before procs most of the time.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Warriorrogue

[YourMoms]

I suggest you know what you're actually talking about before you try and lecture someone about how a status build is "useless".

 

 

Actually he was not even spoke "status"-wise, he's into more like elemental-dps concetrated mishmash.

People still confuse status effect (proc) with actual elemental damage.

As a result, they do not realize what they actually try to lecture about.Sadly.

[YourMoms]

I'd advise you read the Grineer one.

4* corrosive projection. That means NO ARMOUR. Therefore, Radiation, and by extension, corrosive, is useless compared to heat.

I'd advise you read before trying to correct them. That means one faction where status builds are useful, and even there, they aren't the best. They still die before procs most of the time.

 

Let's even assume, that all four mates elect to wear Corrosive Projection aura, granting the grineer full strip of armor. Than it's not easy to study that most of them (except Rollers and Latchers) have clonned flesh underneath, which make them vulnerable against viral damage most of all. 3 times as effective as a matter of fact.

As for the status-bulids, could you kindly inform us good sir, whether you have encountered the enemies of level higher than 75(of course at present terms of level scale). Since I doubt that you can't help noticed their drastic survivability increase.Hence, you can make sure of the build efficiency yourself by just letting yourself to be itorduced to lvl 75 Heavy gunner. Tell us more how raw damage preveils under decent proc build.

Edited September 30, 2014 by YourMoms

[KuroShiranui]

Regarding status builds.
Why not simply make a radiation-focused build? You might add viral to that due to the need of event mods, but radiation proc means enemies will shoot each other, giving your team some time to breathe.
 

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[Warriorrogue]

Let's even assume, that all four mates elect to wear Corrosive Projection aura, granting the grineer full strip of armor. Than it's not easy to study that most of them (except Rollers and Latchers) have clonned flesh underneath, which make them vulnerable against viral damage most of all. 3 times as effective as a matter of fact.

 

And I was not arguing the viral part. I was arguing the radiation being better then heat.

 

And I've done it once or twice, and definitely found the damage more useful then the procs. Although, the procs were useful.