People Really Do Take Things For Granted...

[Semshol]

You know, for all the complaints I see about RNG in this game. I want to ask, how many of you have actually played an Asian MMORPG. One that was truly pay-to-win.

 

Now if you've been in that situation, grind walls are REALLY grind walls. Let me give you an example:

 

- Farm a randomly dropped key

- Key accesses dungeon

- Secret Boss MAY spawn within dungeon

- Secret Boss MAY drop the item you need (measly 2% chance)

- Once item is dropped, you may only upgrade it to its optimal state by buying 100s of protection charms.

 

With DE, it's more like this:

 

- Random chance to get a prime part at the end of the mission

- Once you build it, the stats are not different

- Upgrading something doesn't give it a chance to break.

 

Yes, there is some RNG in the game. Yes, it is frustrating to do 40 T2MDs and not get a single Nyx Part. However, I feel that many Tenno are just whining, seriously.

 

Have you played a game where:

 

- After the item drops the stats are random?

 

There is nothing worse than getting a +Int stat on a Warrior Item or a +Str/+End on a Mage item.

 

Have you every played a game where:

 

- Rarity of the item is entirely up to RNG even if the weapon is absolutely the right one

 

Imagine having to build 30 Latrons and the only one with the best stats is a purple Latron. You have to pay 10 plat to scan each one. 300 plat later -> All are Rares, 1 Epic, No Legendary (purple). You couldn't even resell them to recoup the cost.

 

DE makes us do none of this and for that I am quite thankful. Compared to most games, Warframe is extremely casual. Sure you can pay for a few cool cosmetic bits, but the core parts of the game do not cost significant amounts of platinum that cannot be acquired.

 

I had a friend who started with nothing and he figured his own way to make plat, different from mine. He now has anything he wants.

 

However, he never once whined about the grind.

 

He used to relentlessly plunge into survival missions, over and over. He dug up over 30 keys just by himself and I still salute that to this very day.

 

He then organized the parties and gathered what he need. He never complained because he came from the same background as I did.

 

Those of us who have faced true grind know that Warframe is not at all grindy. There is some minor frustration here and there, but if you can't handle a bit of a challenge or a bit of frustration, what is there for you to experience in life?

 

10 hours of gameplay and then the game collects dust on your shelf until you feel sudden nostalgia to play it again? C'mon, that's not what Warframe is about.

 

You all might talk about drop-table dilution and a long grind to get what you want. But if you are so focused on the end product, what about the entire journey taken to get there?

 

Surely you've had one or two games where you just met random people and suddenly things became fun because there were jokes. Or maybe you joined a team that never talked but everyone was somehow coordinated. Those moments like that are precious and you are missing out on the experience of gaming if you spend all your time focusing ONLY on the RNG.

 

So take a little time to sit back and enjoy a mission or two. Challenge yourself by trying weapons and loadouts you haven't experienced before and while you're having fun doing that. The RNG will not bother you. If you have already mastered everything and done everything though. You actually have no excuse for whining because you should just buy the full prime set on the day it comes out like the rest of the OGs.

 

So here's to a fair RNG, one that doesn't force me to sacrifice my soul to get one legendary boot, with an entire set waiting to be completed.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Semshol

[Phoenix86]

I play Diablo 3 along with Warframe.... 'nuff said.

[_numbernin9]

Those grind walls have grind walls on their grind walls.

[Semshol]

I play Diablo 3 along with Warframe.... 'nuff said.

 

You poor man...I shall pray for you. I quit D3 a long time ago.

 

 

Those grind walls have grind walls on their grind walls.

 

It's grindception. At least I'm thankful that you can just ride on someone else's key.

 

I have been in games where EVERYONE needs a key and all 4 are consumed. If you fail or if you get a noob in the team, it's a GG. No refunds for DCing, no refund for aborting. Here your key is only consumed if you complete the thing. That's like the ultimate safety net.

[Phoenix86]

You poor man...I shall pray for you. I quit D3 a long time ago.

 

Ahahah, no offense taken :p

 

Anyway you should give it try again... 2.1 brought to the table a lot of nice stuff... after a 1 year break i'm enjoying it again...

 

It's not, and never be imho, on D2 level but still... better than before.

 

For those who do not know how Diablo 3 Loot works i'll explaine it quickly:

 

ANYYTHING CAN DROP ANYWHERE, no specific locations, no special drops from bosses... anything... anywhere.

That's the mother of all RNGs you'll ever find... 

you have literally NO-WAY to have better chance to find anything if you kill something specific... it's all total random.

 

The only thing that will help you is the class you are playing with (ie: if you need something for barbarian you better play barbarian and not other classes)

[low1991]

Be glad that WF isnt MMORPG...

where other players with better gears will KS you 24-7... since by than that will be a open-world.

[Cannamancer]

Anyone who whines playing this game, has never played a true pay2win mmo. We are talking money walls on money walls with a side of grind. DE has done their best to keep it fair and challenging. I don't want anything handed to me but I don't wanna pay money for anything that can be earned in game, tis why I love warframe. Sure you may have to grind but that is half the fun. I agree with you 100% people need to be more thankful this isn't a generic game where all the content can be unlocked for 80$ lol.

[Kalenath]

FUN?

 

Who the HELL plays a VIDEO GAME to have FUN?

 

This is WORK! WORK I TELL YOU!

 

 

On a serious note:

 

I HAVE played Pay2Win games. A few. Never again. Warframe is NOT Pay2Win. Not even CLOSE.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Kalenath

[gnat6]

Other games being horrible does not justify warframe's lousy drop tables although part of the problem with warframe is that you really only need one of each drop for most of the items with the exception of fusion cores

if more of the mods were useful and there was something we could do with excess prime parts besides sell them for a insultingly small amount of credits there would be a lot less complaints about the drop tables.

[Cannamancer]

Other games being horrible does not justify warframe's lousy drop tables although part of the problem with warframe is that you really only need one of each drop for most of the items with the exception of fusion cores

if more of the mods were useful and there was something we could do with excess prime parts besides sell them for a insultingly small amount of credits there would be a lot less complaints about the drop tables.

The tables use to be way worse. Also you can manipulate drops, just change how many people you bring with you if it doesn't drop. Works 100% everytime almost at least for me lol.

[misoru2012]

Warframe is better than a generic p2w Asian game, and shouldn't be compared to one.

[Kalenath]

The tables use to be way worse. Also you can manipulate drops, just change how many people you bring with you if it doesn't drop. Works 100% everytime almost at least for me lol.

 

But EVERY player cannot get EXACTLY what they want 100% of the time EVERY time so it HAS to be rigged.

 

Funny... I have played rigged games. This is nowhere REMOTELY close to as bad.

[(PSN)Veg1ta]

But wait once you actually obtained the weapon/warframe, you need a crap load of maxed expensive mods to reach its potential, once you obtain, the grind has only begun.

Edited October 2, 2014 by (PS4)Veg1ta

[Somedude1000]

Why compare warframe to "Asian MMORPG"

 

It's so different from that. People play warframe for how it was in irca the first time we had void keys. "Game x has more grind" is not a valid excuse for the devs to give up on providing content that satisifies players, no matter how ridiculous it might seem.

 

The majority of people complaining are probably just tired form a day of work and come home to play warfame, only to get marred by the time it takes to collect items that they don't necessarily feel like buying. This frustration from their job / school etc is then poured into forums in the form of drop table dilution feedback.

[Neah]

But wait once you actually obtained the weapon/warframe, you need a crap load of maxed expensive mods to reach its potential, once you obtain, the grind has only begun.

Grind, which you only have to do once. When you've maxed out a mod, you never have to do it again (unless you plan on trading) , and there is 0% chance that it will fail whatsoever. What you earn is what you get to keep. Not to mention all the Rare 10 warframe / Primary / Secondary mods are all interchangeable with all weapons / frame that fall on the same category. 

 

Compared to that of MMORPGs which need you to individually upgrade EACH and EVERY equipment combined with the chance of accidentally BLOWING UP in which you have to start all over again , Warframe's grind looks like a real cute pussy cat . 

 

However bad the RNG is, you only have to get lucky once .

[Gr33hn]

So the gist of the thread is that there are worse games out there so therefore things many consider not fun in warframe shouldnt be improved?

 

 

To be honest I do not like RNG, I vastly prefer the model of Planetside 2, all weapons sidegrades, no RNG, your skill and effectiveness determines how fast you can unlock upgrades or specialized weaponry. 

 

There is a reason why I spent twice as much time in Planetside 2 compared to Warframe. 

[(PSN)Veg1ta]

I think your under estimating how difficult it would be to forma every weapon/warframe in the game to its full potential plus every mod maxed, even with hardcore grind you will most likely spend plat also to cut some corners.

[Neah]

I think your under estimating how difficult it would be to forma every weapon/warframe in the game to its full potential plus every mod maxed, even with hardcore grind you will most likely spend plat also to cut some corners.

On a normal basis, I can max out 3 level 0 items within 3 hours, if only a single weapon is equipped, I can do it within an hour or so. Frames are a little different as they do not gain bonus exp from unequipped weapons so they take ~4-5 hours. Even if you want to forma something 8 times, it will take you a mere 2-3 days of grinding or 4-5 if you're working (including sleep, etc) , which in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.

[Kalenath]

So the gist of the thread is that there are worse games out there so therefore things many consider not fun in warframe shouldnt be improved?

 

 

To be honest I do not like RNG, I vastly prefer the model of Planetside 2, all weapons sidegrades, no RNG, your skill and effectiveness determines how fast you can unlock upgrades or specialized weaponry. 

 

There is a reason why I spent twice as much time in Planetside 2 compared to Warframe. 

 

Fine, go back.

 

If you do not enjoy it, why keep complaining about it?

 

Some aspects of this game are better than some other games and not as good as others. Yes. I agree.

 

RNG in this game is horrible and grindy? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

 

Others have posted examples that I personally have seen in other games. (Main reason I won't PLAY those other games)

 

Yes, it takes TIME to find the items, or plat to trade for them or buy them. But I didn't pay for a thing and got ALL of the latest items in two days worth of playing. Not even grinding hard. Just playing. Luck was part of that, yes. But I had fun too.

 

Sorry. I know the 'F' word is anathema these days. But I did.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Kalenath

[Sitchrea]

So the gist of the thread is that there are worse games out there so therefore things many consider not fun in warframe shouldnt be improved?

 

 

To be honest I do not like RNG, I vastly prefer the model of Planetside 2, all weapons sidegrades, no RNG, your skill and effectiveness determines how fast you can unlock upgrades or specialized weaponry. 

 

There is a reason why I spent twice as much time in Planetside 2 compared to Warframe. 

I would have loved PS2 if not for Vanu getting nerfed incessantly while NC got buffed time and time again.

 

Warframe is a constatnly improving game with systems that are good, but can always be better. I cannot wait to see what DE has planned after Archwing I.E. revisit stealth, ability synergies, etc.

 

Also, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE

[Gr33hn]

Fine, go back.

 

If you do not enjoy it, why keep complaining about it?

 

Some aspects of this game are better than some other games and not as good as others. Yes. I agree.

 

RNG in this game is horrible and grindy? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

 

Others have posted examples that I personally have seen in other games. (Main reason I won't PLAY those other games)

 

Oh, so I "keep complaining"? I think you have me mixed up with someone else, but this is the feedback area and if I dont like some aspect in the game this is the place to bring it up. Maybe DE does something about it or maybe not but attention has been called to it.

 

RNG is horrible because you can not improve or get better at "luck", thus removing skill progression and player control. Requiring you to do the same thing over and over hoping you get lucky instead of doing something to get better and better.

 

And I do infact alternate between WF and PS2.

What is with the contemptuous attitude? 

[atpbx1]

Other games are more terrible! just be thankful this one isnt as painful as those!

 

Its like saying, just be thankful this is baseball bat we are going to be forcibly ramming up your arse, it COULD of been a telegraph pole we were using.

Edited October 2, 2014 by atpbx1

[LadyScootaloo]

Finally, a complaint thread about players that I finally agree with.

Yeah, this isn't actually that bad. No one said you had to get all the items you want in 5 runs or less.

[Kalenath]

Other games are more terrible! just be thankful this one isnt as painful as those!

 

Its like saying, just be thankful this is baseball bat we are going to be forcibly ramming up your arse, it COULD of been a telegraph pole we were using.

 

'OR we COULD charge you EVERY TIME we shove it like SOE, NCSoft and Ubisoft do!'

 

Really... I bet if they HANDED you EVERY item on a SILVER PLATTER people would complain about THAT!

 

I think this game strikes a good balance between grind and fun. FAR more than most other F2P games I have tried.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Kalenath

[HoakinBlackforge]

The actual problem i find in warframe right now is that any kind of effort is useless or unrewarding.