Daz. Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) I conclave everyday...and it really gets annoying when some idiots just spamming slide attacks with stagger everyone. I like to use guns to improve my accuracy but these idiots only spam them.. So. please make it deal NO dmg at all only for movement and remove staggering after every melee attack. thank you Edited October 4, 2014 by thefruitninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoopStricken Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 So. please make it deal NO dmg at all only for movement Tee hee. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkSpectre Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Its PvP that is the problem not the slide attack. In PvE the slide attack is incredibly useful for taking out enemies quick. But it does not translate well to this games PvP, it just becomes a cheap easy/lazy way to stagger other people without much risk to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I like to use guns to improve my accuracy Improve your accuracy by learning to shoot them before they can get close enough to damage you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Alphapsykongaroo Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 personally i dont mind vsing person that spams them. timing seems more important than spamming and you can negate damage with a nicely timed roll. slide attacks were actually more OP before since they usually just flat out killed you, but now you have a chance to survive. but if there must be a nerf, id say keep the damage, but take away stagger from the slide attack only. the staggering effect is like the only thing melee has got going for it since most of them take a lot of normal hits to kill someone. if you face someone thats better at slide attacks than u, you can always get to higher ground or copter away and shoot. if it's a melee only channeling type of player, i usually like to just hang off of a wall and shoot at them since they cant shoot back with melee equipped. or shoot from the higher ground, since theyre alot more limited up top. ...but after watching the devstream with showcasing the directional coptering, it certainly has me alittle worried xD.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz. Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 Improve your accuracy by learning to shoot them before they can get close enough to damage you. Really? you want to use guns and take me down while I slide spam? Tee hee. No. Only experienced PvP'ers plz.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Really? you want to use guns and take me down while I slide spam? Only experienced PvP'ers plz.... I've done it before. I did it in rail conflicts and Europa PvP. Slide attacks can't hit me if I'm not on (or near) the same plane as you and/or within your reach. Edit: This was back when Ash+Dual Kamas was the norm. Edited October 4, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I'm fine with the damage they do, they just need to take out that stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I think everything melee is OK... Including Stun-Locking, Spin Attacks, Slam Attacks. In my opinion Melee Weapons should not be only mobility tools. Melee Attacks are part of Warframe PvP. If someone gets close to me i will use my melee to spin or stun lock. If you know your opponent will do that, don't get close, or do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I like to use guns to improve my accuracy Improve your accuracy by learning to shoot them before they can get close enough to damage you. Or stug em I used to have PvP melee issues with people hunting me until i grabbed my stug Then they learned not to get close.... Though because my min weapon is the Latron P i find some trouble in mid distances against certain guns after :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz. Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I don't like use explosives, I try and play fair :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I don't like use explosives, I try and play fair :) Considering the super slow travel time and awkward curve that makes it only really useful in close range (suicidal) and totally bombing an area (ok this is kinda cheap) its not so bad i think I usually only use it for melee trackers who just spin spin spin They cant catch me and save themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar_Spit_Fire Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) you know those fool just gonna slide spam you and you still don't want to avoid it? i met a ash with invi build armed with a kronen and he tried so hard to slide spam me to death but i used the small space of the dueling room as my advantage and i wall climb the wall before he can touch me with his kronen and i used my fragor to knock him down on the half way while he is sliding mindlessly like a retard and i killed him. *Edit: The wall of your back is your friend, those retards cannot recover from the slide attack fast thus making them vulnerable for you to land a slam attack on their head and if you are in conclave map then lol use zephyr to fly to the high ground and snipe him silently from a far. Edited October 8, 2014 by Tar_Spit_Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz. Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Can you guys stop saying "Use this, Use that" just to counter this broken thing...I like to use what I enjoy most :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar_Spit_Fire Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Can you guys stop saying "Use this, Use that" just to counter this broken thing...I like to use what I enjoy most :/ how about you figure out a way to counter it rather than crying for a nerf to 0 damage? If you still can't counter it effectively then i suggest you try a different gear may be? still reluctant? welp i can't help you then. *But anyway, i think the spin attack damage should be toned down a bit in pvp but not pve... NOT NERFING IT DOWN TO 0 DAMAGE LIKE YOU SAID.* Edited October 8, 2014 by Tar_Spit_Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vane- Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Tip: Jump. Jump much. Wallrun. Wallrun much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz. Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) how about you figure out a way to counter it rather than crying for a nerf to 0 damage? If you still can't counter it effectively then i suggest you try a different gear may be? still reluctant? welp i can't help you then. *But anyway, i think the spin attack damage should be toned down a bit in pvp but not pve... NOT NERFING IT DOWN TO 0 DAMAGE LIKE YOU SAID.* I don't care about PvE, I only want these changes in PvP and its my opinion for DE to change it. So everyone who wants something nerfed or changed are crying for it? oh please. its the FEEDBACK section. Edited October 8, 2014 by thefruitninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorgal_Sina Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I can't believe why anyone haven't pointed out the flaws of stun locking... It supports dual swords more than anything else. You can't use a heavy weapon. You can't use your favorite melee weapon if its not a fast and good slider. Balance melee first before lazily giving all of them stun lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar_Spit_Fire Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I can't believe why anyone haven't pointed out the flaws of stun locking... It supports dual swords more than anything else. You can't use a heavy weapon. You can't use your favorite melee weapon if its not a fast and good slider. Balance melee first before lazily giving all of them stun lock. ever used a jat kittag slam attack on other player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorgal_Sina Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 ever used a jat kittag slam attack on other player? After every player gets auto handspring in Conclaves? Or after you... avoid the slam by coptering half a mile away? The animations of the slam also makes you an easy target for shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar_Spit_Fire Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 After every player gets auto handspring in Conclaves? Or after you... avoid the slam by coptering half a mile away? The animations of the slam also makes you an easy target for shooting. pffftt, with that small area in dojo duel room i almost felt like every of my slam attack gets invisible opponent that is coptering around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kashiki Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) I can't believe why anyone haven't pointed out the flaws of stun locking... This is a thread about slide attacks. Stun locking has been discussed from top to bottom, flaming and "lack of skill" trash talk included. Just look around the topic section here and you'll find it. Now, back to the actual discussion at hand - I feel that the usefulness of Slide Attacks in Conclave is a good first step to making the entire match less about "I have better aim than you so I win". Personally, I hate the fact that just because the game focuses primarily on the guns, that a lot of "experienced" PvP'ers think that you should only play with your gun. No game in history should only give you one way to win in a player vs. player environment. So, I think that probably halving the damage of slide attacks in PvP would make it better for most people, as the weapons with innately high Slide Attacks would be good, and those who want to do it have to take into account what they want to sacrifice (do I have to use the Nami Solo?). Ideally, the highest slide attack after that should be only around 2,000 DMG, with Nami Solo taking the reigns there. Also, people complain about "slide attack spam", saying that it's always used and it requires no skill... so, how about those people who use Marelok and Vectis, or the Latron Wraith people who use the guns for their superiority? Yeah, they require (arguably) more skill than slide attacks (which requires precise timing to chain well), but people only use those guns because they can be used at longer range and it usually guarantees an easy kill when contact is made. Or those who use the Dual Kamas/Dual Zoren for the use of fast-travel coptering, which is pretty much everyone. This also ties into my suggestion; sharpshooters use quick, powerful guns to guarantee the most damage, so those who want a slide attack build would use high Slide Attack damage weapons. Again, how is that any different from the Marelok/Vectis-toting gunners who use their firearms to one shot you from a distance? This argument goes both ways, is what I'm saying. Edited October 8, 2014 by Kashiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Can you guys stop saying "Use this, Use that" just to counter this broken thing...I like to use what I enjoy most :/ My tip was fine and it wouldn't require you to use anything that you aren't currently using. Oh, and the slide attack isn't broken. It is functioning quite well. It bridges the gap between mid-range and melee range while doing good damage. It allows melee users to hit opponents who flee. Without it and/or stun-locking the ultimate counter to melee would be walking away. Edited October 8, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Alphapsykongaroo Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 fyi, for those that dont know, you can escape stunlocks with spamming rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz. Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 I am not saying that you HAVE to use guns, you can try doing melee combos to try kill someone. Or atleast reduced the DMG and the annoying stagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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