Rhinio Iron Skin

[bmarr26]

What is going on with the rhinio skin.  running on P.C. the rhinio was slow but usable because of ti's iron skin.  until someone fixed it - the same way one fixes a tom cat. Trying to get rhino prime but i don't see the point any more.

[Rukkhadevata.]

they just added the durability points near health dont think there was a nerf

[Kthal]

... What changed?

 

Are you using Overextended by any chance? That completely nerfs Iron Skin's defensive values.

 

Or is this a delayed knee-jerk reaction to the difficulty scaling of the last event?

[vaugahn]

What's the problem exactly? Is it making you slower? I don't think Iron Skin does that.

[Darkreaper006]

Sorry but, Rhino*

 

I... What? ._.

[(PSN)Orpheon-]

What exactly are you trying to get at? 

The only aspect of Iron Skin that has been recently touched was the addition of a percentage on the HUD of how much more Iron Skin is left. It's performance has been--in no way shape or form--been intentionally changed. 

 

[letir]

"Rhinio" - sounds great.

[bmarr26]

it seems weaker like allot

doing voids that i have done millions of times that its like a tower 2. three hits and iron skin falls off

[(PSN)Orpheon-]

The effect of simply being aware of how much Iron Skin you have remaining is enough to make it seem like you have less. 

 

Not knowing how much Iron Skin was left before made it seem like there was more. You're forcing a placebo effect on yourself. 

[Hardfire]

the iron skin falles of quick for me too.

[vaugahn]

it seems weaker like allot

doing voids that i have done millions of times that its like a tower 2. three hits and iron skin falls off

 

They added a timer to it, so it only just feels weaker now that you can see how fast it's eroding away. Try not looking at the timer and it will feel just the same as usual. 

 

We've had quite a few threads about this recently, and it's been confirmed and tested by several different people. Nothing has actually changed. 

[YourFriendlyNoggin]

It did that before, the only difference is that with a clearer visual aid you will notice it more. It's all in your head.

The effect of simply being aware of how much Iron Skin you have remaining is enough to make it seem like you have less. 

 

Not knowing how much Iron Skin was left before made it seem like there was more. You're forcing a placebo effect on yourself.

Damn you ninja'd me

[Hardfire]

Didn't notice the any read-out on it's strength. all I noticed is it falling of real quick.

[vaugahn]

Didn't notice the any read-out on it's strength. all I noticed is it falling of real quick.

 

There is no difference. The values are all exactly the same. I tested it personally yesterday for a thread similar to this one. 

[Hardfire]

I see a counter in the bottom right-hand side.  what is it counting? as it isn't consitant with a time-counter.  it apears to be counting hits.

[Hardfire]

looking back,  I see you have answered all that. sorry.

[Tharzul]

problem is i think that it was intended as a tank. well sort of with the damage immunity with iron skin. rhino is pretty much my favorite frame. but i dont believe it can be a tank since as mentioned iron skin erodes really quick once you have to take enemy fire(you literally can see the numbers drop really quick even in low lvl maps). especially if the enemies have a higher lvl, and im not even talking about lvl 40+. the saving grace if there are too many enemies would be rhino stomp once you lose iron skin in a matter of seconds. if you cant dispatch the enemies (at least the most dangerous ones) when the effect is over you are in trouble. a valkyr with a hysteria build and a decent melee weapon can tank more and live alot longer than a rhino anytime due to the damage immunity once hysteria kicks in. add in the hp steal and you are in full health once everything is over. of course considering the energy is not getting drained and there is a supply of energy orbs there. rhino will not only use it up alot faster but also getting less done while worrying about recasting iron skin/rhino stomp to prevent dmg and incapitate the enemies.

 

meanwhile valkyr only has to keep recasting hysteria and regain enough energy for the next hysteria while slaughtering everything in its way regardless if its shooting back or not. it might not be fair to compare iron skin with hysteria, but since rhino is supposed to be very defensive (able to tank damage) and a heavy frame ( defense is outclassed by valkyr again) but also to dish out damage it is quite dissapointing to see that it is nothing more than a well rounded warframe that is really good at lower lvls but lacks somewhat the capability to carry on with its role at higher lvls.

 

on the other hand with the valkyr even with lower shields wich i presume was supposed to be mainly a warframe capable to take some punishment but mostly able to wreak havoc among the enemies has not just more defense but also is able to dish out more dmg and combines life steal, dmg and damage immunity in one skill, wich makes the valkyr completly superior in every aspect as long the skill is active.

 

well my point is it is kind of unbalanced wich isnt new. but the descriptions at least for rhino doesnt really match anymore. its just a well rounded frame with a bit more defense. you could argue that rhino stomp also prevents dmg and a build around it would make it more viable later on, but thats just stopping them from attacking, wich isnt quite the same as taking the attacks and being able to walk through all of it. rhino isnt the heavies frame anymore wich is mentionend in the description. valkyr is fine as it is (only used it as a comparison), but i think rhino needs to be looked at/reworked again so it can be the warframe that matches its description on the homepage and the purpose of being the heaviest warframe with devestating offensive attacks with formidable defensive powers (wich doesnt mean to just add more defense than valkyr, that doesnt solve anything at all).

Edited October 6, 2014 by Tharzul

[H.Katsura_999]

 a valkyr with a hysteria build and a decent melee weapon can tank more and live alot longer than a rhino anytime due to the damage immunity once hysteria kicks in. add in the hp steal and you are in full health once everything is over.

 

Yeah but hysteria 's dmg doesnt scale well, sometimes you kill nothing and you die since you were too close and have marked enemies around you. Not to mention you can't use any guns or your own melee weapon but you get this set of claws with zero range. Rhino has a boltor prime all the time.

 

 

 it might not be fair to compare iron skin with hysteria, but since rhino is supposed to be very defensive (able to tank damage) and a heavy frame ( defense is outclassed by valkyr again) but also to dish out damage it is quite dissapointing to see that it is nothing more than a well rounded warframe that is really good at lower lvls but lacks somewhat the capability to carry on with its role at higher lvls.

 

Valkyr is a survivor frame, she''s built around the concept of solo play and able to carry her own even when alone just look at her kit, rhino on the other hand is a team based play, I lost count of how many times a rhino stomp saved me from being surrounded by enemies while in hysteria cause they scaled soo much that I couldn't kill anyone of them until hysteria wears off.

 

Hystera is good for reviving teammates though.

 

 

on the other hand with the valkyr even with lower shields wich i presume was supposed to be mainly a warframe capable to take some punishment but mostly able to wreak havoc among the enemies has not just more defense but also is able to dish out more dmg and combines life steal, dmg and damage immunity in one skill, wich makes the valkyr completly superior in every aspect as long the skill is active.

 

She is a berserker, a tank that takes dmg to regain energy and goes to hysteria to survive. 

 

 

well my point is it is kind of unbalanced wich isnt new. but the descriptions at least for rhino doesnt really match anymore. its just a well rounded frame with a bit more defense. you could argue that rhino stomp also prevents dmg and a build around it would make it more viable later on, but thats just stopping them from attacking, wich isnt quite the same as taking the attacks and being able to walk through all of it. rhino isnt the heavies frame anymore wich is mentionend in the description. valkyr is fine as it is (only used it as a comparison), but i think rhino needs to be looked at/reworked again so it can be the warframe that matches its description on the homepage and the purpose of being the heaviest warframe with devestating offensive attacks with formidable defensive powers (wich doesnt mean to just add more defense than valkyr, that doesnt solve anything at all).

 

I don't know rhino well enough to answer this. I main Valkyr and she is my only tank. Any Rhino players 2 cents are better than mine when it comes to knowing whats good for rhino.

Edited October 6, 2014 by H.Katsura_999

[(PSN)nikeshadow]

My iron skin does not stay on long at all anymore. I hope this was not a nerf but a bug or something. I am not very happy about this. Someone tell me something. I have a full blind rage or might I say maxed one.

[Azawarau]

problem is i think that it was intended as a tank. well sort of with the damage immunity with iron skin. rhino is pretty much my favorite frame. but i dont believe it can be a tank since as mentioned iron skin erodes really quick once you have to take enemy fire(you literally can see the numbers drop really quick even in low lvl maps). especially if the enemies have a higher lvl, and im not even talking about lvl 40+. the saving grace if there are too many enemies would be rhino stomp once you lose iron skin in a matter of seconds. if you cant dispatch the enemies (at least the most dangerous ones) when the effect is over you are in trouble. a valkyr with a hysteria build and a decent melee weapon can tank more and live alot longer than a rhino anytime due to the damage immunity once hysteria kicks in. add in the hp steal and you are in full health once everything is over. of course considering the energy is not getting drained and there is a supply of energy orbs there. rhino will not only use it up alot faster but also getting less done while worrying about recasting iron skin/rhino stomp to prevent dmg and incapitate the enemies.

 

meanwhile valkyr only has to keep recasting hysteria and regain enough energy for the next hysteria while slaughtering everything in its way regardless if its shooting back or not. it might not be fair to compare iron skin with hysteria, but since rhino is supposed to be very defensive (able to tank damage) and a heavy frame ( defense is outclassed by valkyr again) but also to dish out damage it is quite dissapointing to see that it is nothing more than a well rounded warframe that is really good at lower lvls but lacks somewhat the capability to carry on with its role at higher lvls.

 

on the other hand with the valkyr even with lower shields wich i presume was supposed to be mainly a warframe capable to take some punishment but mostly able to wreak havoc among the enemies has not just more defense but also is able to dish out more dmg and combines life steal, dmg and damage immunity in one skill, wich makes the valkyr completly superior in every aspect as long the skill is active.

 

well my point is it is kind of unbalanced wich isnt new. but the descriptions at least for rhino doesnt really match anymore. its just a well rounded frame with a bit more defense. you could argue that rhino stomp also prevents dmg and a build around it would make it more viable later on, but thats just stopping them from attacking, wich isnt quite the same as taking the attacks and being able to walk through all of it. rhino isnt the heavies frame anymore wich is mentionend in the description. valkyr is fine as it is (only used it as a comparison), but i think rhino needs to be looked at/reworked again so it can be the warframe that matches its description on the homepage and the purpose of being the heaviest warframe with devestating offensive attacks with formidable defensive powers (wich doesnt mean to just add more defense than valkyr, that doesnt solve anything at all).

Hysteria is terrible

 

I use it when life support runs out and thats it

 

Also she can tank clear to lvl 70-75 enemies without hysteria or ally CC though dangerously

 

That aside

 

Rhino could use something better

 

Ive suggested making rhinos tankiness less dependant on iron skin and ,mre dependant on his own tankiness but the forums wouldnt have it

 

Their loss

 

And to be fair here

 

With max power STR rhinos IS puts him not too far off Valkyrs EHP  aside from instant heals she gets

 

But he has CC immunity and recastable IS in exchange

 

Also Hysteria invi has to go

 

Like seriously ._.