Anyone Else Wish They Could Buy Only The Targis Armour Set...

[VYR3]

Anyone else wish they could buy ONLY the targis armour set and not get the vala sugatra or the boosters?

 

I really dont like/need boosters or the sugatra, I use the Grineer or the Orokin attachments on all of my melee weapons cause I like them better. I dont need an affinity booster or credit booster, I have almost 5m credits and haven't dipped below 4m since I got to it, and I never need an affinity booster because I dont spend much time leveling anymore, I'm mastery rank 14, half way to 15 and last time I needed an affinity booster it was a little over a month ago when I finished pounding out weapons to get to 14. 

 

I wish we could buy only the primary item for like $15, I would have purchased every single one of the prime access accessories if you could.

 

maybe DE will do this one day? I really do hope so. I want to give DE money but I'm not going to waste it on stuff I dont want.

 

they should have the main item available for $15 USD secondary available for $7.50-$10 depending on what it is, usually a sugatra, and then the boosters available after that. maybe not. I dont know.

 

its just my hope that I ca one day buy what I want and not get the rest of the stuff.

 

I would totally rock the Targis armour, Daman Sugatra, Misa Syandana, and a dakra P on all of my loadouts if I could have bought what I want.

 

 

[Arabaxus]

I'd buy the armor set for 15 dollars to look cool and support the game.

 

But 50 dollars for the armor and stuff I don't want? No thanks.

[VYR3]

I'd buy the armor set for 15 dollars to look cool and support the game.

 

But 50 dollars for the armor and stuff I don't want? No thanks.

hell, I'd even go for $20 on the main item and $10 on the second items.

 

I just really dont want to buy stuff that I wont use, from anyone's standpoint, they cant justify a $50 purchase on one item when It comes with 3 others that you dont want

[AllanIncubi]

Oh no. Well VYR many people awhile back along with myself got together and made posts with very critical, detailed explanations why we need a 4th tier one that contained only the cosmetics. I do not think that the Dev's will make it so you can pick and choose and that was one of the ideas constructed but it fell short in the long run. Be happy that there is a 4th tier now and if you wish to get that armor set please consider that your donation/purchase of cosmetic greatly helps the community and dev's.

[Grimm]

really, its called prime access for a reason, get the pack or don't complain about it, it is how it is. buy it all or buy none thats your choice

[direcyphre]

Oh no. Well VYR many people awhile back along with myself got together and made posts with very critical, detailed explanations why we need a 4th tier one that contained only the cosmetics. I do not think that the Dev's will make it so you can pick and choose and that was one of the ideas constructed but it fell short in the long run. Be happy that there is a 4th tier now and if you wish to get that armor set please consider that your donation/purchase of cosmetic greatly helps the community and dev's.

Yeah, one thing we don't need is further escalation, because that accessories pack used to cost plenty more when it was only part of the far more expensive top tier pack.

[VYR3]

really, its called prime access for a reason, get the pack or don't complain about it, it is how it is. buy it all or buy none thats your choice

so waste extra money on items that I wont use (sugatra) and prefer not to have on my account (boosters) instead of giving money for what the items I ACTUALLY want? that is exactly why I'm not purchasing the packages.

 

I prefer not to have extraneous gear along side the actual items I would like to purchase.  I've put a good portion of money into the game so far and I will continue to do so. one of the ways I would like to is purchasing cosmetics I actually want to use, not purchasing items that will sit in my inventory never being used.

 

I know quite a few clan mates that would have purchased parts of the accessories packs if they were able to, but since they cant buy what they actually want, DE doesn't get their money.

 

this would benefit DE more than anything because a large influx of players would consider and actually purchase the items they want when PA starts.

[Somedude1000]

It would be nice to at least have the option but considering it's only accessories I doubt many people even care about it anymore...

[AM-Bunny]

It's not that DE has overlooked your interest in the Targis Armour. It's designed specifically this way, to package it as a "great deal" with the boosters. Prime Access is a cash grab, plain and simple.

 

They make a few exclusives that they know people will want, and package it with crap to validate a large price tag, knowing people will fall for it. DE doesn't make too many greedy schemes like this, so I find it acceptable. 

 

All I'm saying is, asking for targis separately is defeating the entire purpose of prime access which is to make $$$, so it's never going to happen.

[Bazools]

I would buy it for 15 or 20 euros no problem... but to spend 50 on a pack that gives no plat.. no thanks. 

[VYR3]

It's not that DE has overlooked your interest in the Targis Armour. It's designed specifically this way, to package it as a "great deal" with the boosters. Prime Access is a cash grab, plain and simple.

 

They make a few exclusives that they know people will want, and package it with crap to validate a large price tag, knowing people will fall for it. DE doesn't make too many greedy schemes like this, so I find it acceptable. 

 

All I'm saying is, asking for targis separately is defeating the entire purpose of prime access which is to make $$$, so it's never going to happen.

unfortunately this is true, but that is also why I suggested that they set the price quite high at $15-$20 USD for them, that way they would make a nice chunk of cash off of a lot more players.

 

it seems as though people are not reading the entirety of my post after reading some previous responses.

[AM-Bunny]

 

It's not that DE has overlooked your interest in the Targis Armour. It's designed specifically this way, to package it as a "great deal" with the boosters. Prime Access is a cash grab, plain and simple.

 

They make a few exclusives that they know people will want, and package it with crap to validate a large price tag, knowing people will fall for it. DE doesn't make too many greedy schemes like this, so I find it acceptable. 

 

All I'm saying is, asking for targis separately is defeating the entire purpose of prime access which is to make $$$, so it's never going to happen.

unfortunately this is true, but that is also why I suggested that they set the price quite high at $15-$20 USD for them, that way they would make a nice chunk of cash off of a lot more players.

 

it seems as though people are not reading the entirety of my post after reading some previous responses.

 

 

Charging $20 for an armour set would be outrageous, though I have no doubt many would still buy it.

 

I believe DE wouldn't do this because it would be quite poor form to so openly rip off the players with such high priced cosmetics.

 

It is much more subtle to make it seem like a good deal by selling the package and charging even more in the process. I read your post, and I'm confident that DE makes more money from the $50 package than selling an overpriced set of armour for less than half that, despite possibly netting a few more buyers.

[VYR3]

 

 

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well I'm sure they could adjust those prices a bit. I'm no marketing guy. but still, any way to get rid of the items that I dont want so that I can support the game how I please would be much better to me. 

 

they could even do like a cart system:

 

select all of the items you want to get:

 

Nyx P

one Profile Icon

Targis Armour

credit booster 90day

scindo P

 

and your total would come out to whatever would be reasonable, and then players dont get the extra Icon if they dont want it, they dont get the affinity booster if they dont want it, and then they do get the items they want. that might work a lot better. and then I could justify paying $50+ for the select items I want.

 

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Edited October 7, 2014 by VYR3

[direcyphre]

The crux of the argument you are presenting: "There is something I want, but I want it cheaper just because I only want that one thing." 

 

Unfortunately this already occurred, and thus the Prime Accessories pack was born at a much cheaper rate than $140. We already got what we asked for, but as always, you can't please everyone.

[Arabaxus]

The crux of the argument you are presenting: "There is something I want, but I want it cheaper just because I only want that one thing." 

 

Unfortunately this already occurred, and thus the Prime Accessories pack was born at a much cheaper rate than $140. We already got what we asked for, but as always, you can't please everyone.

 

The thing is, many people are literally just waiting to give the developers money for meaningless cosmetics to look cool, which I am one of them. Except there's a difference between 20 and 50 dollars. A 30 dollar difference, or 150%. That's 150% extra cost for things we don't want to get the one item we want. Now I understand selling things in bundles, like you buy an aggregate 12 pack of soda for 15 dollars, while getting rid of the stuff that never sells, but at the same time people are usually offered the choice to buy single bottles of whatever the so well desire for something like a buck fifty a bottle. 

 

I'm asking to buy my stuff in bottles and not packs because I actually don't want the other bottles. No food-drink company has ever only sold their product exclusively combined bundles, because that would be simply stupid in terms of business, and the same logic applies here.

 

People that don't mind a discounted bundle, fine. People that only want a specific thing, can pay for it in a non-discounted price for less stuff. You lose some money from players who may now buy individuals, but you make up more than enough to cover that loss through the new market you opened up by selling things in pieces rather than whole.

 

Take for example the in-game platinum armor sets. They're never sold exclusively as a bundle. I've never bought them in a bundle. Why? Because I only liked some pieces of some sets. Shoulder Plates may cost 60, Knee Plates may cost 50, and the Chest may cost 40, and the bundle may cost 130, but I'd rather pay 110 for say the Shoulder and Knee, because I just don't want the Chest Plate under any circumstance.

[ZzVinniezZ]

if DE make targis armor at 10$, bet more players will waste money for it (and i will probadly one of them) because it more tempting to buy the armor at 10$ rather than 50$ 

like:

50$ => only few would buy

10$ => almost 3/4 players in the game will buy.

there the profit DE would make.

(just my opinion)

[Taranis49]

It is much more subtle to make it seem like a good deal by selling the package and charging even more in the process. I read your post, and I'm confident that DE makes more money from the $50 package than selling an overpriced set of armour for less than half that, despite possibly netting a few more buyers.

 

Eh, not likely - basic economics, "bundling" only really works well when several (if not all) of the items are desirable, otherwise you'll probably make more parting things out when there's little (or no) demand for the other stuff... psychology tells us people drastically prefer avoiding a loss (in this case, money, especially for something they aren't going to use) compared to a "gain", even if they're of equal value.

 

It's why most companies that do bundle products/services know enough to also sell the constituent parts individually.

 

In this case, most players that'd likely drop a decent chunk of money on cosmetics are also likely to be established enough that the other items aren't desirable, e.g. the boosters (hell, look at how the playerbase reacted to the Avalanche offensive when the reward was a booster... and that was free). If there's only one item out of the pack they actually want, then there's two or three times as many reasons not to buy it.

[VYR3]

lets use an analogy to apply this idea to life.

 

you have a food pack.

 

one coke, a burger, a hotdog, and a bag of skittles.

 

this pack is $50 and is the only way to obtain these items.

 

say you only want that burger. the burger is the main item, its a beautiful burger with cheese and tomato and lettuce and its a big awesome burger like what you would get from a good burger joint.

 

a good portion of people would buy it. super hungry people, people who need/want all that food

 

but then a portion of the people will not buy it because they dont want the hotdog or the skittles or the coke. they dont like those items.

 

that is a portion of the profit that they are missing out on.

 

those people are willing to pay for the burger, but only the burger. they offer $15-20 for it. that is almost 50% of the total cost of that food pack for one item. 

 

if all of those people that wanted JUST the burger could buy it, that would be a lot more profit for the company.

[Eric1738]

maybe next time.

[notionphil]

It's not that DE has overlooked your interest in the Targis Armour. It's designed specifically this way, to package it as a "great deal" with the boosters. Prime Access is a cash grab, plain and simple.

 

They make a few exclusives that they know people will want, and package it with crap to validate a large price tag, knowing people will fall for it. DE doesn't make too many greedy schemes like this, so I find it acceptable. 

 

All I'm saying is, asking for targis separately is defeating the entire purpose of prime access which is to make $$$, so it's never going to happen.

 

Can we get a sticky for this post?

 

Someone new asks this same question every week; apparently much of the world doesn't understand that combining a few exclusive shinys with mundane 'stuff' is how bundles have worked since the start of time.

[Liminal]

An option to replace the boosters with plat would be enough for me.

[Taranis49]

Can we get a sticky for this post?

 

Someone new asks this same question every week; apparently much of the world doesn't understand that combining a few exclusive shinys with mundane 'stuff' is how bundles have worked since the start of time.

 

Except that's not the case. Look at my previous post.

 

Note that the companies which are near-synonymous with the "bundling" concept and really popularized it (e.g. cable companies) don't offer anything "exclusive" with the bundle. They're savvy enough to offer each component part for sale alongside the bundle, ditto for say, the "Value meals" of fast food companies which operate the same way.

 

Neither's sold on the basis of gaining one or two desirable items you can't purchase otherwise, far from it. No, in the latter case of "value meal", the hint's even spelled out in the name: they're marketed and sold specifically on the basis of saving the buyer money (minimizing loss) than if they bought the items individually. Again, they know psychologically people rate losses much higher than gains - and the customer ain't gonna "lose" what they never had.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Taranis49

[Davoodoo]

"There is something I want, but Its packed with stuff i dont want want thus i wont buy that pack because i only want that one thing." 

Fixed that for you.

 

There were many of such suggestions before recent prime access appeared yet DE decided to change nothing.

DE earned 0$ on us, hope it was a good deal for them.

 

 

An option to replace the boosters with plat would be enough for me.

Since u14 i got 5 75% discounts, 50% discount on prime access aint gonna win me since i got that every day.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Davoodoo

[notionphil]

Except that's not the case. Look at my previous post.

 

Note that the companies which are near-synonymous with the "bundling" concept and really popularized it (e.g. cable companies) don't offer anything "exclusive" with the bundle. They're savvy enough to offer each component part for sale alongside the bundle, ditto for say, the "Value meals" of fast food companies which operate the same way.

 

Neither's sold on the basis of gaining one or two desirable items you can't purchase otherwise, far from it. No, in the latter case of "value meal", the hint's even spelled out in the name: they're marketed and sold specifically on the basis of saving the buyer money (minimizing loss) than if they bought the items individually. Again, they know psychologically people rate losses much higher than gains - and the customer ain't gonna "lose" what they never had.

 

Those analogies don't work at all; you're comparing companies operating in a free market (real life) with one that has complete control over a closed market (warframe's virtual economy).

 

Firstly, cable companies have no exclusives of their own to sell typically. If you can't get the channel you want from them, you'll simply go elsewhere and get it. However, you can't buy a prime sugatra from Blizzard, or EA.

 

You can better equate this to collectors editions. They typically cost MORE than the sum of their parts, or at least reasonable price for those parts. How can we make people pay $79 for a $59 game? Simple, add a cloth map and an ingame pistol re-skin "exclusives".

 

Your argument would say "fine, I'll buy the pistol reskin and the cloth map for $20....and just buy the game used, or get it from a friend. Too bad, they won't sell it like that. If you want the exclusives, you buy the bundle.

 

Anyway dude, I'm not trying to tell you that I like the way it is...I'm just making the point that this is how a monopoly works. Obviously DE has a monopoly of their own economy. Could they make more the other way? Clearly they don't think so...you've been around long enough to know the playerbase would crap a brick if DE tried to charge $30 "just" for a syndana...which was the only part of prime access they wanted anyway.

[ra9una]

Not for the armor, but the sugatras from last pack, yeah.