How Do You Bypass Mouse Lag With Vsync, B/c Apparently Without Vsync My Comp Will Blow Up

[naumnhom]

I was searching for awhile and found a few old threads on vsync that defined what vsync was, as well as triple bufferingas well as other posts offering solutions, such as playing in borderless windowed, overriding in amd ccc, etc.  I am having the same issue with the mouse feeling all laggy.  I tried what was said to turn off vsync.  Problem was fixed, except then I was running at 1,600 FPS and 2.5 ms FrameTime(pretty sure thats going to blow my S#&$ up).  Turn VSync on, mouse all laggy, and I run at 30 FPS and 33.4 ms FrameTime.  As far as the suggestion to set frame rate in amd control center.....unfortunately warframe ignores my override inputs.  Im at a loss, I have CrossFire R9 270's, massive ram, insane processing power.....im not understanding(granted I dont know much PC related).

 

(playing in borderless windowed effects no change)

 

Thanks in advance for your input

[[DE]Grzegorz]

Try RivaTuner?

[Rydian]

In the start menu type "display settings" and click the "Change Display Settings" option when it comes up.  In that new window, click the blue "Advanced Settings" text and in that new window go to the "Monitor" tab and screenshot it for us.

[Naftal]

Do you have your monitor set to 30Hz or why does VSync lock it to 30 fps?

[taiiat]

wellllll...

you can't.

 

VSync inherently adds Input Delay.

 

 

the best solution, is to not use VSync, and have your Framerate capped globally or per application.

i don't know the names of the applications that have this functionality to edit Driver level variables that you'd use for AMD products, hopefully someone has an idea.

 

actually, i just happened to remember the name of a red team tool for this.

 

Radeon Pro lets you set minimum and maximum Framerates, so you should be able to use that to cap your Framerate without VSync.

 

 

 

Edit:

in assumption that this works, i don't have any Red team products so i don't know if that will adjust the Driver level settings. i assume it will.

Edited October 13, 2014 by taiiat

[BlitzKilla12]

I have the same problem..:( i am using ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT

[Swatcop]

I'm not good at diagnosing software over the internet but you should have an amd control center installed with your graphics card, you should try going into that and setting a vsync directly through that for warframe and have the vsync fps about 60-90. 1600 FPS with any card is rare in modern gaming and i'm pretty sure even with sli titans you won't be getting that framerate consistently. You may want to up your graphics options like turning on AA and bloom and so forth to make your fps go down a bit

[direcyphre]

Your computer won't blow up (it can't bypass standard safety features on chipsets), and I doubt you are magically getting 1,600 FPS. I'm still not seeing a reason why you would need to run with Vsync either. Unfortunately there really isn't a way to reduce input lag while running Vsync... short of not running Vsync.

[naumnhom]

Display screenshot

 

 

As far as the framerate I was getting without vsync, I'll be more specific.  It varied consistenly between 400-1,200fps with peaks at 1,600fps.

[naumnhom]

 

I've tried to set frasme rate caps in AMD Catalyst Control Center using the override applications settings options for the applications warframe.exe as well as warframe.x64.  However when I boot Warframe those override inputs are being ignored. I still see frame rates between 400-1,200fps with peaks at 1,600fps.  Unless I'm tying amd ccc to the wrong application....?

Edited October 13, 2014 by naumnhom

[naumnhom]

Do you have your monitor set to 30Hz or why does VSync lock it to 30 fps?

 

Monitor is at 60Hz

[taiiat]

I've tried to set frasme rate caps in AMD Catalyst Control Center using the override applications settings options for the applications warframe.exe as well as warframe.x64.  However when I boot Warframe those override inputs are being ignored. I still see frame rates between 400-1,200fps with peaks at 1,600fps.  Unless I'm tying amd ccc to the wrong application....?

i'm going to presume that CCC doesn't edit it's own Driver level settings, like Nvidia also does, probably to "protect users". more like limit them.

 

so if Radeon Pro or another Red team application will edit Driver level Settings, you can force anything to abide by the settings you set.

 

for example.

i can force any application to take whatever settings i want it to, because this Green team application edits Driver level Settings.

Edited October 13, 2014 by taiiat

[naumnhom]

Trying RadeonPro, will update.

[naumnhom]

RadeonPro worked out for me.  Thanks for the input guys.

[EChondo]

RadeonPro worked out for me.  Thanks for the input guys.

Hey bud, could you screenshot your settings in RadeonPro for me? I am having massive amounts of FPS drops which I've explained over in this thread: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/322336-frequent-low-fps-occurrences-mid-to-high-end-hardware

 

I've tried RivaTuner, CCC, and RadeonPro(I actually use RadeonPro for other games and it works there). Nothing works on Warframe for some reason and I've tried 32bit and 64bit, setting a custom launcher in RadeonPro, and pretty much anything else I could think of.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Methanoid]

if you use vsync also try increasing or decreasing "Pre-Rendered Frames" until something improves, i think the default is 3? or used to be.

[taiiat]

if you use vsync also try increasing or decreasing "Pre-Rendered Frames" until something improves, i think the default is 3? or used to be.

in theory, having 1 Pre Rendered Frame can help combat against Input Delay caused by VSync - but it can also make performance jittery if you weren't already getting very stable performance with the default of 3.

[Snougar]

I've actually made a thread on this in the past, asking for an FPS cap option outside of V-sync. 

Having your GPU maxing its fillrate rendering a 2D image at 2000fps is a waste and if you are unfortunate like me and have a GPU with coil whine, Eeeeeeeeeeeee! It's a little annoying.

But +1 for an option to cap fps at 30, 60 and 120 etc (Like Borderlands 1 and 2 do).

EDIT: Also if you are getting 30fps with V-sync on, it sounds like Double Buffering. Forcing triple buffering should stop it going to 30.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Snougar