Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 http://youtu.be/QYS_W6VtdJQ?t=54m10s Right there abouts, when they head to under the Red Veil tab. I'm guessing that the people that show up are the leaders/main representatives of the groups, and as far as I (or any of us, really) know the Red Veil leader is Cantis. Or are the images just sort of the flair of the group? Showing off their visual style and all (meaning the person we see could just be a footsolider/grunt of the group). Either way: like the idea that they have a very Warframe-esq look to them, speaks to, as I'm reading it, a sort of reverence for the Tenno. Makes me interested to see what the Arbiters of Hexis will look like (even if they're idiots for thinking the Tenno AREN'T warriors >.>) DEBATE! Also: shame on you, DE, all for not showing the Steel Meridian page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm not sure how I feel about how ruthless the Red Veil have become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm not sure how I feel about how ruthless the Red Veil have become. I know how I do: I @(*()$ LOVE IT! They're like the IRA of Warframe! The Irish/Scottish accent I gave to Terrick was TOTALLY JUSTIFIED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I know how I do: I @(*()$ LOVE IT! They're like the IRA of Warframe! The Irish/Scottish accent I gave to Terrick was TOTALLY JUSTIFIED! Part of me likes it for that reason. Real life revolutions are seldom benevolent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyApathy Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Might be coincidence but the description of the Red Veil would fits well with one of the groups developed in a concept I'm working on, and the way Cantis is described there would make her fit right in, though I'm unsure of how to proceed with the concept at the moment and hope to get a message soon on what to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Nowhere was it ever said that Cantis is the leader of the red veil.... was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ra9una Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 http://youtu.be/QYS_W6VtdJQ?t=54m10s Right there abouts, when they head to under the Red Veil tab. I'm guessing that the people that show up are the leaders/main representatives of the groups, and as far as I (or any of us, really) know the Red Veil leader is Cantis. Or are the images just sort of the flair of the group? Showing off their visual style and all (meaning the person we see could just be a footsolider/grunt of the group). Either way: like the idea that they have a very Warframe-esq look to them, speaks to, as I'm reading it, a sort of reverence for the Tenno. Makes me interested to see what the Arbiters of Hexis will look like (even if they're idiots for thinking the Tenno AREN'T warriors >.>) DEBATE! Also: shame on you, DE, all for not showing the Steel Meridian page! They aren't just warriors. There also hecka good chefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyApathy Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Nowhere was it ever said that Cantis is the leader of the red veil.... was it? Maybe not, but the personality and background concept would make her fit right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 for reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Maybe not, but the personality and background concept would make her fit right in. Well... might as well be just a mask. Or a new design for Cantis. The old one was basically a red rescue target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Part of me likes it for that reason. Real life revolutions are seldom benevolent. Eyup. I can definitely see why you'd dislike it, though: it's hard to like something when they're THAT violent. I've just always loved villains and anti-heroes more than the classical good guy (for at long as I can remember) so the darker a person/group is the more I gravitate towards them. Nowhere was it ever said that Cantis is the leader of the red veil.... was it? No, but it's kinda implied - given she's the one to contact us and all. Could just be she's a high-ranking member, or just a generic member of the group that reached out to us. Still, after all the orchestrating she did to get us to help the Veil with those events we gave them a hand with, it's doubtful that she's still just a faceless part of the crowd. It's this kind of question that I made this thread to talk about, though. They aren't just warriors. There also hecka good chefs. MOA stew for all! for reference Gracias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) for reference "Scorpion spectre" and "hunted by Eximus Scorpion"? Eyup. I can definitely see why you'd dislike it, though: it's hard to like something when they're THAT violent. I've just always loved villains and anti-heroes more than the classical good guy (for at long as I can remember) so the darker a person/group is the more I gravitate towards them. Basically I'm on the fence about it. I like my factions to have good and bad sides, but they seem to be all bad sides now and we have Steel Meridian who's all good sides. Edited October 17, 2014 by vaugahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1738 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 er, what's his old look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 "Scorpion spectre" and "hunted by Eximus Scorpion"? Basically I'm on the fence about it. I like my factions to have good and bad sides, but they seem to be all bad sides now and we have Steel Meridian who's all good sides. Kamen rider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 er, what's his old look? and obviously HER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 "Scorpion spectre" and "hunted by Eximus Scorpion"? Basically I'm on the fence about it. I like my factions to have good and bad sides, but they seem to be all bad sides now and we have Steel Meridian who's all good sides. That's a problem ALL the factions in Warframe have - even though one could argue that the Meridian are the good of the Grineer and the Perrin are the good of the Corpus, they (and the Tenno themselves) seem very one-note in what they do. It's not necessarily a BAD thing, but I feel like it's a weakness that needs to be worked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1738 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 and obviously HER ty it seems this one is a bit generic, so i suppose they updated the model. not sure about the gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That's a problem ALL the factions in Warframe have - even though one could argue that the Meridian are the good of the Grineer and the Perrin are the good of the Corpus, they (and the Tenno themselves) seem very one-note in what they do. It's not necessarily a BAD thing, but I feel like it's a weakness that needs to be worked on. I definitely agree. The Arbiters, Cephalon Suda, and New Loka all seem to have a nice balance of good and bad, so I'm happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 I definitely agree. The Arbiters, Cephalon Suda, and New Loka all seem to have a nice balance of good and bad, so I'm happy about that. Hmmm, looking at them, t's difficult to say. Just reading the thing about the Arbiters seems to paint them as neutral-good, Cephalon Suda seems very neutral (but gets a pass given she's an individual), and the New Loka, again, seem VERY good aligned. Hopefully when they're given voices and put in game that may change, but as is I'm not able to pull more than one trait out of their organization as a whole (which, again, isn't a bad thing, this is sort of a majority synopsis of it). But maybe I'm not looking close enough. All I know is where I stand: dissent in a fictional group makes the group more realistic and, therefore, better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Hmmm, looking at them, t's difficult to say. Just reading the thing about the Arbiters seems to paint them as neutral-good, Cephalon Suda seems very neutral (but gets a pass given she's an individual), and the New Loka, again, seem VERY good aligned. Hopefully when they're given voices and put in game that may change, but as is I'm not able to pull more than one trait out of their organization as a whole (which, again, isn't a bad thing, this is sort of a majority synopsis of it). The Arbiters are dogmatic and punishment-focused, they seem a little crazy to me. Cephalon Suda is emotionless and seeks knowledge, which could lead to a blue-and-orange morality situation. New Loka seems like they're fixated on earth and humans, which means potential racism. Maybe I'm reading too far into it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 The Arbiters are dogmatic and punishment-focused, they seem a little crazy to me. Cephalon Suda is emotionless and seeks knowledge, which could lead to a blue-and-orange morality situation. New Loka seems like they're fixated on earth and humans, which means potential racism. Maybe I'm reading too far into it though. Hmm, fair enough. Still a little wonky on the Cephalon, but I can see where you're coming from with the Loka. Not getting the vibe from Arbiters, though, to me "discipline" in this context seems to be less "ruler across the knuckles" and more "meditation to clear the mind". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaiusVrixen Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 They say that The Tenno aren't warriors because that limits their potential, The Arbiters of Hexis see the Tenno as more than warriors (Godly?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) They say that The Tenno aren't warriors because that limits their potential, The Arbiters of Hexis see the Tenno as more than warriors (Godly?). Poets? Philosophers? Angels? Doesn't matter to me WHAT they "THINK" we are: we're framed by war. F*** that's an epic line! I gotta write that one down! Edited October 17, 2014 by Morec0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSING Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 "No cost too great. No blood too precious."Damn, that's cold-bloodedly awesome!They seem to be good pals with the Steel Meridian too, so +1 in their favor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalimir Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Speaking of syndicates Morec0: I've been looking at the stuff on your channel a lot recently and I'd like to ask: "What's the Conflagration's opinion of these syndicates? And how will he respond to the quite real possibility in an even larger shift in Tenno Allegiance than there was during Gradivus?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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