RoboDoge Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Eh, digital equivalent. You could say that the "game publisher arbitrarily erased a several weeks-months worth of progress due to an error and only refunded you to the starting point." If WoW erased 4 of my raid epics and only refunded me by resetting my raid lockout, I'd think about quitting WoW. (I actually don't play WoW anymore but that's as close an analogy I could think of) Are we sure that OP login issues were DE fault? Or his issues might be his ISP fault. Depending on who is at fault here, there can be millions sides to blame. I dont see how his login issues can be DE fault, as i was logging in without any problems. Also, there werent mass login fails. Edited October 19, 2014 by RoboDoge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Are we sure that OP login issues were DE fault? Or his issues might be his ISP fault. Depending on who is at fault here, there can be millions sides to blame. I dont see how his login issues can be DE fault, as i was logging in without any problems. Also, there werent mass login fails. Call it a hunch, but I'll blame Comcast. Because reasons. Edited October 19, 2014 by Gelkor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamyourjam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Eh, digital equivalent. You could say that the "game publisher arbitrarily erased a several weeks-months worth of progress due to an error and only refunded you to the starting point." If WoW erased 4 of my raid epics and only refunded me by resetting my raid lockout, I'd think about quitting WoW. (I actually don't play WoW anymore but that's as close an analogy I could think of) How is it in any way equivalent? Its a VIRTUAL ITEM, you don't actually actually have it, technically you never had it to begin with because there's no physical possession. Its like me saying that killing someone in a game is equivalent to me killing someone in real life. No, its not! Can you not see how its invalid!? Edited October 19, 2014 by Slamyourjam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamyourjam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 So you're leaving... because your kubrow died? Am I in a minority here if I don't get at all attached to my kubrows and don't cry internally if one died? This was my exact reaction. I literally facepalmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 i think that deteriorating companions isn't a good idea. this isn't tamagachi. if kubrows could be kept and no worry of deterioration then i'd use one -~- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 How is it in any way equivalent? Its a VIRTUAL ITEM, you don't actually actually have it, technically you never had it to begin with because there's no physical possession. Its like me saying that killing someone in a game is equivalent to me killing someone in real life. No, its not! Can you not see how its invalid!? Well, A) my first post was mostly light-hearted joking, B) my second post was valid. Progress in an online game was essentially erased. Many people quit online games when/if the game developer causes progress to be arbitrarily removed. If your primary, multiple-forma'ed frame was somehow removed and you only got a level one unforma'ed version in return, would you still play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 It would be better if when a Kubrow "dies" offline, it took 3 days to resurrect. Make the materials needed for resurrection cost a forma and maybe a few rare resources. They could make this something you need to respond too when logging in for the first time. If you refuse to acknowledge it then you can lose the Kubrow for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamyourjam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Well, A) my first post was mostly light-hearted joking, B) my second post was valid. Progress in an online game was essentially erased. Many people quit online games when/if the game developer causes progress to be arbitrarily removed. If your primary, multiple-forma'ed frame was somehow removed and you only got a level one unforma'ed version in return, would you still play? If I could replicate my primary, yes I would. Even if my dual Akmagnus's which I have 4 forma'd and potato'd got erased I wouldn't quit the game. I'd be upset, get over it and continue playing because its only a minor problem, its not like they erased his WHOLE progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) If I could replicate my primary, yes I would. Even if my dual Akmagnus's which I have 4 forma'd and potato'd got erased I wouldn't quit the game. I'd be upset, get over it and continue playing because its only a minor problem, its not like they erased his WHOLE progress. Different people have different thresholds. I'd probably keep playing as well. But I've known people to quit games over losing gear they got through abusing an exploit due to "time lost." It's all a spectrum and different people have different amounts they give a S#&$ about having lost progress. In general I think it's bad practice for a video game to have a system where you lose progress in the form of gear and items if you don't log in regularly. It's one thing to lose your place on a rating's board due to not playing, but removing items and gear is bad business IMO. Edited October 19, 2014 by Gelkor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamyourjam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Different people have different thresholds. I'd probably keep playing as well. But I've known people to quit games over losing gear they got through abusing an exploit due to "time lost." It's all a spectrum and different people have different amounts they give a S#&$ about having lost progress. Wait, you just said they abused an exploit. They deserve to lose their stuff if they exploit a games bugs and glitches... To the main topic at hand, its like I said I'd understand IF he put money into his Kubrow but I doubt that. It just sounds like OP is being a little b****. Edited October 19, 2014 by Slamyourjam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishNeedles Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I won't be playing warframe anymore :( I was having issues logging in at all during the entirety of 14.9.X so when I was finally able to log on during 14.10.1 my Kubrow was dead. I used him a lot and I loved having him ever since i hatched him. He was my favorite companion in the game but he died because I couldn't log on. I opened a ticket and supports resolution was giving me an egg. Not only did I lose the reactor I gave him [which isn't that important to me] but I'll never have him, my Asmodeus, back. Best circumstance is I'll get some random stupid kubrow of the same type. I never took a genetic blueprint or whatever of him because I had no intention of ever trading. Q_Q RIP warframe. I can't play you anymore. EDIT: I spoke with customer support. They say there is absolutely nothing they can do except get a new one. :( Seriously? Good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Different people have different thresholds. I'd probably keep playing as well. But I've known people to quit games over losing gear they got through abusing an exploit due to "time lost." It's all a spectrum and different people have different amounts they give a S#&$ about having lost progress. In general I think it's bad practice for a video game to have a system where you lose progress in the form of gear and items if you don't log in regularly. It's one thing to lose your place on a rating's board due to not playing, but removing items and gear is bad business IMO. Thing is as i pointed out already, this doesnt seem as DE fault. Yes, Kubrow mechanics are horrible and annoying, but its not DE fault for OPs login issues. He should quit his ISP for not providing him stable connection instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Wait, you just said they abused an exploit. They deserve to lose their stuff if they exploit a games bugs and glitches... To the main topic at hand, its like I said I'd understand IF he put money into his Kubrow but I doubt that. It just sounds like OP is being a little b****. Oh I know, I was using that to illustrate the far other end of the spectrum, players who quit over losing something they didn't even really work for or "deserve." OP did lose progress, one reactor and the time spent leveling and making the first Kubrow. It's not nearly as extreme as some progress setbacks, but it's more egregious than others which can lead to quitting. That's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerogear5 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 always make a template of your favorite kubrow. while this is sad its no reason to quit. the dying system needs looking at but a week is pretty forgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashashou Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Oh I know, I was using that to illustrate the far other end of the spectrum, players who quit over losing something they didn't even really work for or "deserve." OP did lose progress, one reactor and the time spent leveling and making the first Kubrow. It's not nearly as extreme as some progress setbacks, but it's more egregious than others which can lead to quitting. That's all I'm saying. He lost something that he had emotional investment in it wasn't just an item it was HIS Kubrow - he named it and it got taken away . This game should be fun not work/ hassle that you go through to have fun . The game grows darker for ever player that leaves Warframe shouldn't be a game that people ask them selfs " What do i have to deal with today to play this game ." Edited October 19, 2014 by Ravel7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He lost something that he had emotional investment in it wasn't just an item it was HIS Kubrow - he named it and it got taken away . This game should be fun not work/ hassle that you work through . the game grows darker for ever player that leaves Warframe shouldn't be a game that people ask them selfs " What do i have to deal with today to play this game ." Game isnt directly at fault here. Game didnt have login issues. His ISP was probably making him not being able to log in. Look at this from this perspective. My PSU died few weeks ago and i was without my PC for about 2 or 3 days, had to use my laptop for net and i dont game on laptop. If my Kubrow died during that time i wouldnt be mad at DE, i would be mad at myself because it was problem on my side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reltats Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 reason #92,716 why Kubrow perma-death is bad and makes more people then just me want to quit the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Well, wherever fault lies, it really doesn't matter. Lost progress, no matter who is to blame, can make you too discouraged to continue to play. You lose all of your characters in an MMO due to you getting your account hacked, it's not the MMO's fault, but you may be discouraged from continuing to play nonetheless. Losing a kubrow wouldn't be enough for me to want to quit, no, but I can still understand being frustrated enough by a setback to not want to play anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Game isnt directly at fault here. Game didnt have login issues. His ISP was probably making him not being able to log in. Look at this from this perspective. My PSU died few weeks ago and i was without my PC for about 2 or 3 days, had to use my laptop for net and i dont game on laptop. If my Kubrow died during that time i wouldnt be mad at DE, i would be mad at myself because it was problem on my side. Idk, that could be the possibilty but my cousin who also had log in issues couldn't log in to his middle end desktop but when he tried logging into his lower end desktop using the same internet he could. He couldn't log in for two days until he sent a support ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Idk, that could be the possibilty but my cousin who also had log in issues couldn't log in to his middle end desktop but when he tried logging into his lower end desktop using the same internet he could. He couldn't log in for two days until he sent a support ticket Hrm, based on that, I almost wonder if it was the recent IE 11 update, it was messing up a lot of websites and applications that use it as an interface. (The WF updater, like many games' updaters, uses IE as an interface application.) Other versions of IE weren't affected, especially older versions on older OS's. Edited October 19, 2014 by Gelkor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Its a damn virtual dog. Sure I'd get a bit annoyed that he died and I'd have to farm it again but I wouldn't quit the game like a little b****. I see it as nothing more than a tool to help me, no emotional bond what so ever.Everybody has limits to loss. His is a Kubrow. Maybe he's sounding like ***** but you're more less sounding like an ******* here. I question if you should ever have a child or a pet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamyourjam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Oh I know, I was using that to illustrate the far other end of the spectrum, players who quit over losing something they didn't even really work for or "deserve." OP did lose progress, one reactor and the time spent leveling and making the first Kubrow. It's not nearly as extreme as some progress setbacks, but it's more egregious than others which can lead to quitting. That's all I'm saying. Well I say good riddance to OP. I've had hundreds of hours in Skyrim wiped out and I didn't shed a single tear. You know what I did, I started all over again. Warframe requires dedication, looks like OP doesn't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vunie Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 i wonder what op is going to do in the future when they shut down warframe to make something new and he loses everything or he actually thinks this game is going to last forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamyourjam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Everybody has limits to loss. His is a Kubrow. Maybe he's sounding like ***** but you're more less sounding like an ******* here. I question if you should ever have a child or a pet. Seeing as I own a pet and I take very good care of it, you know since its AN ACTUAL PET that requires constant care and is in my physical possession. I'd say you don't need to question any further. If you get so emotionally attached to a virtual pet that you quit a game, I think you need some time off gaming. I ponder at the thought of someone playing the next Sims game and suicide because they've lost their virtual child... Edited October 19, 2014 by Slamyourjam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Seeing as I own a pet and I take very good care of it, you know since its AN ACTUAL PET that requires constant care and is in my physical possession. I'd say you don't need to question any further. If you get so emotionally attached to a virtual pet that you quit a game, I think you need some time off gaming. I ponder at the thought of someone playing the next Sims game and suicide because they've lost their virtual child...It maybe that or it maybe it's all that time he spent trying to get the Kubrow. So a bit of emotional and sentimental value in it.Would you be sad if you saw some random cat suddenly died? Or would you be sad to see your own cat die more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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