Anyone Else Tired Of It? (Lore And Other Story Related Things)

[SeoV]

So to begin my story, I shall first state that I have been here since Beta. DE was extremely nice to me and gave me a comfy little seat in beta and allowed me to play a fetal version of what the game has become today. (That sounded way less gross in my head.) 

 

The absence of any REAL lore is something quite special to Warframe and it always has been, DE has pulled so many ideas out from their PS3 game Dark Sector (or I guess, pulled old ideas of Dark Sector) that in terms of lore, Warframe looks like a weird lump of multi-coloured goo. No real form, no real direction, just a lump of text and 'lore' (hur) thrown in. 

 

Then came so many updates and it seemed like everything was getting better, the codex entries! Woo! The tutorial woo! The events that have some sort of story woo! 

 

But then you start to realise: They added new stories, which just makes more loose ends, that DE seem very reluctant on cleaning/tying up.

 

Who are the Sentients? What is the technocyte virus really? (Besides a copied name from Dark Sector, which by the way doesn't really apply to the lore anymore since Technocyte made the infested yes? And there's nothing Techno about them at all really, even if they followed the Dark Sector version of the virus, it doesn't make any sense.) Why are the Tennos fighting each other? Hell why are the Grineer fighting us? What does the Janus key do? 

 

I feel like DE throws around a lot of Lore mumbo jumbo that doesn't make any real sense. And frankly it's getting a bit tiring. I love this universe you've crafted DE, I want to learn about it. 

 

But it's like learning Mandarin in braille. 

[TheErebus.]

There's a thing called "Work in progress"

The lore/story is going through this.

[RCOAS]

Syndicates are coming. New quests are coming. Chill the F*** out.

[Genoscythe]

I agree with you, normally you do a concept for a game, then you do the lore and then you craft both things at once, but its gonna get hard for DE to unite all those loose ends to something that isnt enirely ridiculous if they dotn bring anything soon.

 

 

We dont even know what we are playing. Steve said focus system levels my "Tenno", my player, but why does my tenno have boobs when I play saryn and male proportions when I play loki? What am I? And what the hell is a Tenno? A ghost that changes its physical form?

[vaugahn]

Technocyte is still pretty much the same as it is in Dark Sector, though it's more organic and less metallic here. It's basically a zombie virus of unknown origin, except the zombies it creates have magic powers.

Edited October 21, 2014 by vaugahn

[SeoV]

There's a thing called "Work in progress"

The lore/story is going through this.

 

I know it's work in progress, but work on that and not new stuff that ALSO doesn't make any sense?

 

Syndicates are coming. New quests are coming. Chill the F*** out.

 

Wow, Okay. I'm sorry if my post is aggressive at all? But I'm not mad at all, and why are you swearing at me? I have stayed in Warframe for so long, i'm just bringing something up.

[SeoV]

I agree with you, normally you do a concept for a game, then you do the lore and then you craft both things at once, but its gonna get hard for DE to unite all those loose ends to something that isnt enirely ridiculous if they dotn bring anything soon.

 

 

We dont even know what we are playing. Steve said focus system levels my "Tenno", my player, but why does my tenno have boobs when I play saryn and male proportions when I play loki? What am I? And what the hell is a Tenno? A ghost that changes its physical form?

 

WHO AM I. WHOO AM III.

 

Technocyte is still pretty much the same as it is in Dark Sector, though it's more organic and less metallic here. It's basically a zombie virus of unknown origin, except the zombies it creates have magic powers.

 

But it's not though! In Dark Sector it was metallic and basically made Exacalibur (C'mon we all know.) But now it's all gross. 

 

What gives. 

[TheErebus.]

I know it's work in progress, but work on that and not new stuff that ALSO doesn't make any sense?

They'll be putting in information via these new things that may also relate into the old un-explained lore in the game and also add in new ones.

[Phoenix86]

But it's like learning Mandarin in braille. 

 

 

Top, ever

[vaugahn]

But it's not though! In Dark Sector it was metallic and basically made Exacalibur (C'mon we all know.) But now it's all gross. 

 

What gives. 

 

Well, chalk that one up to graphics quality and executive meddling. 

 

Edit: from what we've heard, this game wasn't intended to be played longer than an hour. When it took off the devs had to reevaluate what they were doing, which also means piecing together the somewhat haphazard lore they created. Apparently we're going to be getting some serious lore in U15, which seems to mean they've finally figured out what they want to do.

Edited October 21, 2014 by vaugahn

[(PSN)Hollow118]

I agree with you, normally you do a concept for a game, then you do the lore and then you craft both things at once, but its gonna get hard for DE to unite all those loose ends to something that isnt enirely ridiculous if they dotn bring anything soon.

We dont even know what we are playing. Steve said focus system levels my "Tenno", my player, but why does my tenno have boobs when I play saryn and male proportions when I play loki? What am I? And what the hell is a Tenno? A ghost that changes its physical form?

You're a mighty-gender-morphin Tenno Ranger

No but I do wish DE would elaborate on something as simple as this. This is why lately I have stuck with mostly female frames, I like to BELIEVE my Tenno is female that way I'm not confused logic wise after switching from Nyx to Rhino. (But then I get confused again)

I feel like we asked this question before and at least twice it came up on devstreams but with no real answer. And I'm beginning to see some huge plot holes in our lore, its only a matter of time before it falls apart.

Edited October 21, 2014 by (PS4)Hollow118

[(PSN)Gilead09]

Haha, ok. We can complain on the story, which is kinda scarce to tell the truth. But (and it may be a little bit off topic) I just experiences the "story" of Destiny, and boy, I can tell you that Warframe at least has some "short stories".

 

So, yeah, I am both hands with you on more story, but still - let us not forget about the budget and workforce of DE. For now, let's just finger cross for Archwings to succeed and DE to develop more coherent content.

[ern696]

yeah . DE finish the lore please.

[Noxramus]

Whilst I believe that some explanation would be nice, I also am one of those people who lives from weapon to weapon. I would love an explanation as much as I would love a new gun. And because making lore could take away man power from other parts of the game, I'm quite split on the decision. That said, I would at least like an explanation of the sentients.

[SeoV]

Haha, ok. We can complain on the story, which is kinda scarce to tell the truth. But (and it may be a little bit off topic) I just experiences the "story" of Destiny, and boy, I can tell you that Warframe at least has some "short stories".

 

So, yeah, I am both hands with you on more story, but still - let us not forget about the budget and workforce of DE. For now, let's just finger cross for Archwings to succeed and DE to develop more coherent content.

 

Forgot about you there. But now that DE has been uh...bought out...well bought out isn't the right word. They should have a much larger budget. 

 

Well, chalk that one up to graphics quality and executive meddling. 

 

Edit: from what we've heard, this game wasn't intended to be played longer than an hour. When it took off the devs had to reevaluate what they were doing, which also means piecing together the somewhat haphazard lore they created. Apparently we're going to be getting some serious lore in U15, which seems to mean they've finally figured out what they want to do.

 

With every update I feel a bit of hope, but after 15 updates and like, 2 codex entries, I'm wondering what their word per minute rate is. 

 

You're a mighty-gender-morphin Tenno Ranger

No but I do wish DE would elaborate on something as simple as this. This is why lately I have stuck with mostly female frames, I like to BELIEVE my Tenno is female that way I'm not confused logic wise after switching from Nyx to Rhino. (But then I get confused again)

I feel like we asked this question before and at least twice it came up on devstreams but with no real answer. And I'm beginning to see some huge plot holes in our lore, its only a matter of time before it falls apart.

 

This is what really scares me too. The absence of lore as well as being mighty gender morphin Tenno Ranger. ( GO GO GENDER-MORPHIN-TENNOOO RAAANGERR) That DE is leaving a huge plot hole. In the beginning it was really easy to feel...mystified by the absence of any real story in the beginning but now it's getting really old. I really don't want it to fall apart ): 

Edited October 21, 2014 by Kreiss

[(PSN)Hollow118]

They fail to see that when you add lore and depth, people are gonna look at their frames and say "so wait, am I a boy or girl Tenno? Or is that even possible? But wait how can I be a single Tenno and wear two different body types or gender types?"

I think male Tenno like to play dress up in female Warframes and pad the uh female with tissue or foam just to fill them out. Then the female Tenno like to dress up in make Warframes, bandage up their assests so they can fit inside the frame and act like a tough guy.

DE, your players should not have to imagine their Tenno cross dressing in power suits. As funny as it sounds, just, no.

Don't add logic without giving us the Tenno some logic and depth first.

[road2toad]

Guys, remember, TECHNICALLY, it still IS in Beta, just Open Beta, not Closed Beta, so they can do all they want up until they make the game "official" or er, "out of Beta".  By the "Out of Beta" stage, warframe could cost money? I have no idea.

[(PSN)Hollow118]

Guys, remember, TECHNICALLY, it still IS in Beta, just Open Beta, not Closed Beta, so they can do all they want up until they make the game "official" or er, "out of Beta".  By the "Out of Beta" stage, warframe could cost money? I have no idea.

Well if in full release warframe charged to play, then I better get instant free access to the game for the amount of money I put in.

But they need to tie lore together better. Its so loose ended. I love the concept of warframe but I can't get into the story too heavily but its so gaping and shallow as it stands.

[road2toad]

Oh and, another thing, you guys are saying stuff like "How do I go from a female to a male in a blink of an eye?" but, if you listened and did the starter quest... which I did for funsies, Vor says "A tenno is like a lightning rod, each frame you possess fills with that energy of a like-mind" And Void Vor also said that in T4 missions.  So basically, every time we switch frames, our intelligence, our mind, through some sort of energy, is being transported into the frame.  The Tenno could be an empty husk for all we know, when we get into the frame, we fill out into its shape.  Maybe there is a body in the frame, except preserved... not like a rotting corpse, ew, but if there was, our consciousness is being transported from one to the other, like a reincarnation of sorts.

Edited October 21, 2014 by UnknownShifter

[Aikah]

Oh and, another thing, you guys are saying stuff like "How do I go from a female to a male in a blink of an eye?" but, if you listened and did the starter quest... which I did for funsies, Vor says "A tenno is like a lightning rod, each frame you possess fills with that energy of a like-mind" And Void Vor also said that in T4 missions.  So basically, every time we switch frames, our intelligence, our mind, through some sort of energy, is being transported into the frame.  The Tenno could be an empty husk for all we know, when we get into the frame, we fill out into its shape.  Maybe there is a body in the frame, except preserved... not like a rotting corpse, ew, but if there was, our consciousness is being transported from one to the other, like a reincarnation of sorts.

This.

[vaugahn]

Oh and, another thing, you guys are saying stuff like "How do I go from a female to a male in a blink of an eye?" but, if you listened and did the starter quest... which I did for funsies, Vor says "A tenno is like a lightning rod, each frame you possess fills with that energy of a like-mind" And Void Vor also said that in T4 missions.  So basically, every time we switch frames, our intelligence, our mind, through some sort of energy, is being transported into the frame.  The Tenno could be an empty husk for all we know, when we get into the frame, we fill out into its shape.  Maybe there is a body in the frame, except preserved... not like a rotting corpse, ew, but if there was, our consciousness is being transported from one to the other, like a reincarnation of sorts.

 

Uhh...that's a metaphor. We're not literally holy energy, just like our frames aren't literally glass. What he was describing there is that the superpowers come from the tenno, not the frame.

[Shad0wWatcher]

Any1 else wondering what the hell happened to Alad V after the latest event where he made a cameo? Where the hell is he? We had some scenes or rather conversations with him through the com link during the mission but what ever happened after that? We've pretty much confirmed that he's still alive out there somewhere in the solar system. Is he ever gonna make a return? Hell...even friggin whatshisname....peacock grinneer guy...Vay Hek thats him...yeah even he made his return super quickly after we all thought he kinda died after the mission you do to "kill" him. So where's Alad Vandalized? And uh...yeah...whatever did he do to Zanuka...(ZANUKA'S A FEMALE?!) and the Hyena and so much more things...

DE please...that event got me so interested in what would happen next, and each time i noticed a change it blew my mind...i would love to see some (closure?)sort of continuation of that event like uh..."Alad V strikes back!" or something like that.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Shad0wWatcher

[road2toad]

This.

Smart, I feel.

[Genoscythe]

You're a mighty-gender-morphin Tenno Ranger

No but I do wish DE would elaborate on something as simple as this. This is why lately I have stuck with mostly female frames, I like to BELIEVE my Tenno is female that way I'm not confused logic wise after switching from Nyx to Rhino. (But then I get confused again)

I feel like we asked this question before and at least twice it came up on devstreams but with no real answer. And I'm beginning to see some huge plot holes in our lore, its only a matter of time before it falls apart.

Yeah, its so simple, or just alter the models a bit and give us a choice for gender, tenno dont have voice acting, it would just be a little texture and modeling work to give us both genders availible. I am someone who really always likes to play "me" in a game, and I cant identify with a female character because I'm male, so, same as you, I only play male frames because I want to believe my tenno is male.

 

But still this

 

 

WHO AM I. WHOO AM III.

[SeoV]

Guys, remember, TECHNICALLY, it still IS in Beta, just Open Beta, not Closed Beta, so they can do all they want up until they make the game "official" or er, "out of Beta".  By the "Out of Beta" stage, warframe could cost money? I have no idea.

 

Actually i think they had a soft opening as "full" release sometime in update 11 right? 

 

Oh and, another thing, you guys are saying stuff like "How do I go from a female to a male in a blink of an eye?" but, if you listened and did the starter quest... which I did for funsies, Vor says "A tenno is like a lightning rod, each frame you possess fills with that energy of a like-mind" And Void Vor also said that in T4 missions.  So basically, every time we switch frames, our intelligence, our mind, through some sort of energy, is being transported into the frame.  The Tenno could be an empty husk for all we know, when we get into the frame, we fill out into its shape.  Maybe there is a body in the frame, except preserved... not like a rotting corpse, ew, but if there was, our consciousness is being transported from one to the other, like a reincarnation of sorts.

 

I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant... If you read the lore for Ember for example, what Vor means is that we are Tenno who gain their power from the void, and the frame itself is a casing for that. 

 

But even if I am wrong, we don't know for sure because back to the point, DE hasn't explained it to us.