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They fail to see that when you add lore and depth, people are gonna look at their frames and say "so wait, am I a boy or girl Tenno? Or is that even possible? But wait how can I be a single Tenno and wear two different body types or gender types?"

I think male Tenno like to play dress up in female Warframes and pad the uh female with tissue or foam just to fill them out. Then the female Tenno like to dress up in make Warframes, bandage up their assests so they can fit inside the frame and act like a tough guy.

DE, your players should not have to imagine their Tenno cross dressing in power suits. As funny as it sounds, just, no.

Don't add logic without giving us the Tenno some logic and depth first.

Or... ya know, each frame is a different Tenno.

The only hole in that theory is then why are they all sharing the same ship and weapons.

Which can easily be written off as "because video game mechanics and practicality".

Otherwise we would be stuck with a different inventory for each warframe which would be redonk.

 

I'd venture to guess DE never really answered the question it because they either want it left up to the player or it was blatantly obvious we weren't gender morphing power rangers. It seems to be pretty clear that each tenno is its own entity. Lorewise there is probably male/females counterparts of each frame.

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Yeah, its so simple, or just alter the models a bit and give us a choice for gender, tenno dont have voice acting, it would just be a little texture and modeling work to give us both genders availible. I am someone who really always likes to play "me" in a game, and I cant identify with a female character because I'm male, so, same as you, I only play male frames because I want to believe my tenno is male.

 

But still this

 

I don't exactly agree with different genders for a frame because I love that they all have their own look and personality, but I'd just like some story behind them. 

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I don't exactly agree with different genders for a frame because I love that they all have their own look and personality, but I'd just like some story behind them. 

The problem is we dont know if they have personality, they are armors, we craft them. I mean why would only males or females be allowed to wear a certain type of armor and why do DE say we play as one tenno that changes armor?

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I honestly could care less about lore. But I do read what's there and it is loose. But give them a break here, they were working on other things that made people to come and PLAY, and not read. The lore section of this game is still immature for sure. But DE clearly wanted to game to grow more and more, considering it started as low budget.

 

I hope some of you guys checked the partnership agreement pdf. It showed how DE has grown this past summer. It was tremendous. They want the game to be played for fun and here we are, there are constant new player base  because the game grew this far, because the gameplay is attractive to people.

 

Now, lore part is definitely somewhere to be touched pretty soon. Steve mentioned the people inside Warframe's sex and their indivisuality does have an answer. It is a cliche, but wait and see. Why? Warframe's grown tremendously for the last year BECAUSE they focused on what they did - the gameplay polishes/updates. Just wait and see :) It will be done.

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I am the type of gamer that generally plays games for their story and lore, and usually Stick only in campaign mode even though said games have a multiplayer option as well. I believe that the story, even for a Coop game like Warframe, can have a big impact on the game/world immersion and can atract a lot of people into playing it. 

 

As many people said before me, I support the idea of a Future Update, focusing solely on the lore, tying up loose ends, and adding proper quests with a strong story, that will leave you with an expression like "SOOOOOOOO THAT'S WHY ALL THIS HAPPENED. Why couldn't I figure it out sooner that this small detail was actually the trigger for everything"; I want to learn more about the stalker's history, and maybe even some cutscenes with the scene: "When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever." -always gives me the chills.

 

However this poses a bigger challenge for DE (that I hope they can overcome it), and that is how to add a strong story and long quests with big immersion, in a COOP-based game, where you want to see the cutscene or listen to the enemy's chatter when they haven't detected you yet (like "Me and Steve went for a drink last night at this new pub back on the cruiser" ) but your team just skips it, or goes full berserk mode and kills everything before you had the chance of listening to those "small details" as they are called that more and more people start to hunt for.

 

Only time will tell..

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Have to agree with the OP, it's been my major gripe with the game. There's a very interesting world with lots of hints about it but no actual explanations.

 

Honestly I feel like a fair amount of the lack of lore is DE struggling to adapt the original lore ideas they had for the game with the new gameplay elements and design choices they have made since the original lore was written. The issue of Tenno gender is one of these I believe. Originally warframes were going to have gender choice (hence the original teaser trailer showing a female excalibur that would become Nyx). With warframes having a gender choice it would be a no brainer that your account is one tenno who merely changes suits because they could all be male or all female. When gender choice got thrown out it suddenly made the "one tenno per account" a lot more difficult to answer, especially since they didn't also scrap that idea along with gender choice.

 

I get the feeling that a lot of our lack of lore is a series of things like this where some design/gameplay element changes and shoots the old lore in the foot so they can't use it. Maybe they're waiting until the majority of their feature updates are in place before rewriting the lore, lest they continue their pattern of accidentally messing it up for the sake of gameplay.

 

It does however not lead to a satisfied playerbase, the gameplay can be great fun and you can make as "immersive" a feel as you want but if there's nothing to immerse oneself in it won't be satisfying.

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I am the type of gamer that generally plays games for their story and lore, and usually Stick only in campaign mode even though said games have a multiplayer option as well. I believe that the story, even for a Coop game like Warframe, can have a big impact on the game/world immersion and can atract a lot of people into playing it. 

 

As many people said before me, I support the idea of a Future Update, focusing solely on the lore, tying up loose ends, and adding proper quests with a strong story, that will leave you with an expression like "SOOOOOOOO THAT'S WHY ALL THIS HAPPENED. Why couldn't I figure it out sooner that this small detail was actually the trigger for everything"; I want to learn more about the stalker's history, and maybe even some cutscenes with the scene: "When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever." -always gives me the chills.

 

However this poses a bigger challenge for DE (that I hope they can overcome it), and that is how to add a strong story and long quests with big immersion, in a COOP-based game, where you want to see the cutscene or listen to the enemy's chatter when they haven't detected you yet (like "Me and Steve went for a drink last night at this new pub back on the cruiser" ) but your team just skips it, or goes full berserk mode and kills everything before you had the chance of listening to those "small details" as they are called that more and more people start to hunt for.

 

Only time will tell..

 

Exactly! The Evolution Engine doesn't look half bad, show us some nice cutscenes, we know they have the animators for it! I'd love to have a reason to play Warframe simply for the story! Like a comic book that releases chapter after chapter you know? 

 

The grineer excerpts in the ship are a way of this happening too! The little conversations, can barely hear it but it is there! 

 

Have to agree with the OP, it's been my major gripe with the game. There's a very interesting world with lots of hints about it but no actual explanations.

 

Honestly I feel like a fair amount of the lack of lore is DE struggling to adapt the original lore ideas they had for the game with the new gameplay elements and design choices they have made since the original lore was written. The issue of Tenno gender is one of these I believe. Originally warframes were going to have gender choice (hence the original teaser trailer showing a female excalibur that would become Nyx). With warframes having a gender choice it would be a no brainer that your account is one tenno who merely changes suits because they could all be male or all female. When gender choice got thrown out it suddenly made the "one tenno per account" a lot more difficult to answer, especially since they didn't also scrap that idea along with gender choice.

 

I get the feeling that a lot of our lack of lore is a series of things like this where some design/gameplay element changes and shoots the old lore in the foot so they can't use it. Maybe they're waiting until the majority of their feature updates are in place before rewriting the lore, lest they continue their pattern of accidentally messing it up for the sake of gameplay.

 

It does however not lead to a satisfied playerbase, the gameplay can be great fun and you can make as "immersive" a feel as you want but if there's nothing to immerse oneself in it won't be satisfying.

 

I don't mind the gender-locked frames, as I said earlier. I think it makes it unique, i just wish DE could explain what we are, And yes, they are really trying to pull ideas from their old game (Dark Sector) and concepts, and I don't think they should. It's like trying to use your old mathbook from the 7th grade to study calculus. It just won't work and you've grown so much now, you can do a lot better.

 

I hope DE is listening, I felt the same with Dark Sector, great gameplay but awful, awful, abysmal story,

 

Am I the only one who would stop playing this game if DE ended up botching the story?...

I love RPGs, and I especially love spacey-RPGs, and ninjas of course. But if I learn that

the universe my character exists in makes no sense then what's the point? 

 

I'm not saying DE can ever pull off a Mass Effect-esque story at all, not because of skill but because of the type of platform this game currently on. But they developed a story with a universe I cared for, and so I kept coming back. In Warframe my only real motivation to play is "Hey, I like those pants" and then I get them and then the motivation is basically gone.

 

I like these new events, my problem is that the attach lore that; frankly no one cares about. Gravidus Di-what? Who cares free stuff. (Yes I've read the codex several times, I could care less about the cryopods, I'm not personally involved at all.) A story should tell a journey of oneself, at the moment there is none. 

 

We don't know anything.  

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 What is the technocyte virus really? (Besides a copied name from Dark Sector, which by the way doesn't really apply to the lore anymore since Technocyte made the infested yes? And there's nothing Techno about them at all really, even if they followed the Dark Sector version of the virus, it doesn't make any sense.) Why are the Tennos fighting each other? Hell why are the Grineer fighting us? What does the Janus key do?

 

 

Technocyte is still pretty much the same as it is in Dark Sector, though it's more organic and less metallic here. It's basically a zombie virus of unknown origin, except the zombies it creates have magic powers.

 

The technocyte virus from the infested is not the same virus the tenno have, in fact the infested have a modified version of the technocyte virus made by the orokin, the tenno have the original virus, which its the same as the one in dark sector, because in dark sector, the virus was not invented, it was discovered from a creature that was from a dark sector, and tenno are people who was mutated like hayden tenno, but in the void, tho by that same virus, so.

Infested technocyte virus =/= tenno/dark sector/hayden tenno virus

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The technocyte virus from the infested is not the same virus the tenno have, in fact the infested have a modified version of the technocyte virus made by the orokin, the tenno have the original virus, which its the same as the one in dark sector, because in dark sector, the virus was not invented, it was discovered from a creature that was from a dark sector, and tenno are people who was mutated like hayden tenno, but in the void, tho by that same virus, so.

Infested technocyte virus =/= tenno/dark sector/hayden tenno virus

 

Uh. Where is any evidence for this. I'm pretty sure it's established that we are not infected by a virus, but simply warped by the void, and then given frames built by the Orokins. Also in Dark Sector i'm not sure what creature you are referring to but they never explained an origin, I'm pretty sure one of the antagonists had something to do with its creation as well? 

 

Where is all of this information coming from? Or is this just speculation as well, because if it is it leads back to my original point, I want DE to explain themselves! (I kid of course, but please, the lore.) 

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They've said they know where they're going. They know what the story is going to do. They don't want to tell us, they want it to be cryptic for now. This style of lore is one of my favorites. They tell you little bits that seem unrelated, and then we see their connections and we're all just suddenly left speechless.

On the subject of lore though,

The Sentients are actually in development, we'll be seeing them "soon".

The technosyte virus in Warframe was developed by the Orokin to fight the Sentients (as evidenced by the dialouge in ODA missions.)

Tenno fight eachother as a clan based society system. Think of it more as honing their skills than trying to kill each other (it's stapled lore for PvP to be a thing)

The grineer fight us for a few reasons.

1. They're massive xenophobia and hate everything non-grineer

2. They're an invasion force, attempting to control the solar system, and we're fighting that.

3. There is mythic lore surrounding the Tenno, the grineer know what we're capable of and they know we need to be stopped if they want to win.

And the Janus key is one of those unrelated lore things I mentioned. When it becomes significant to the whole story, we'll know the connection.

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Uh. Where is any evidence for this. I'm pretty sure it's established that we are not infected by a virus, but simply warped by the void, and then given frames built by the Orokins. Also in Dark Sector i'm not sure what creature you are referring to but they never explained an origin, I'm pretty sure one of the antagonists had something to do with its creation as well? 

 

Where is all of this information coming from? Or is this just speculation as well, because if it is it leads back to my original point, I want DE to explain themselves! (I kid of course, but please, the lore.) 

 

http://darksector.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Mezner

 

he in fact was working in the technocyte virus, but he didn't invented the virus, he discovered the virus from the creature comming from a dark sector, which the americans found first, but later in the intro of dark sector, the russians found the creature that already was infected the submarine, then they called mezmer, and then mezner is infected and then you have the story of why the infection in the dark sector game, and you ask, what creature? well..

 

http://darksector.wikia.com/wiki/Stalker

 

Yargo describes the Stalker as "very old", so, someone can assume this is the original creature found by the americans, then found by the russians, then studied by mezner.

 

the next thing, nemesis.

 

http://darksector.wikia.com/wiki/Nemesis

 

it has a variation of the original virus, and you can say has the first prototype warframe developed by mezner, with this, you can assume, hayden is infected by a more stable version of the virus (we can call it the response A to the virus), so thats why he has the glaive and stuff, so this variation of the virus is the one the tenno have;

 

the original virus can create mindless zombies (we can call it response B), or, can create humans like nemesis and hayden (response A), and it has the distinction that the ones affected by this virus have metallic skin.

 

another hint to that can be the first tenno in hibernation model, a.k.a. "naked nick":

 

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now the technocyte virus from the infested

 

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Infested

 

long story short, they are a failed experiment, a modified version of the virus, made by the orokin in an attempt to control them, after the Great plague implied in the description of the mire weapon

 

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Mire

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Oh and, another thing, you guys are saying stuff like "How do I go from a female to a male in a blink of an eye?" but, if you listened and did the starter quest... which I did for funsies, Vor says "A tenno is like a lightning rod, each frame you possess fills with that energy of a like-mind" And Void Vor also said that in T4 missions.  So basically, every time we switch frames, our intelligence, our mind, through some sort of energy, is being transported into the frame.  The Tenno could be an empty husk for all we know, when we get into the frame, we fill out into its shape.  Maybe there is a body in the frame, except preserved... not like a rotting corpse, ew, but if there was, our consciousness is being transported from one to the other, like a reincarnation of sorts.

 

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Ok, first of all, Vor doesn't say that, he says he thought the Warframes were the source of the power Tenno use when they employ their abilities like slash dash and all that, he says the Tenno are actually the SOURCE of the power, NOT the power themselves.

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"They added new stories, which just makes more loose ends, that DE seem very reluctant on cleaning/tying up."

 

 

^ this describes it perfectly.

 

There are so many.... how do I say... potential lore fragments being "started". But they are never really being worked on.

Instead they seem to throw in more and more fragments - the issue is - every fragment is it's own story.

What about infested Alad V?

What about Frohd Bek (we wrecked his fire hyenas... remember?)?

just 2 examples..

 

And instead of building up on this, something like the cryotic event happened - which had fun gameplay- no doubt about that- but....0 lore value. Nothing.

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http://darksector.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Mezner

 

he in fact was working in the technocyte virus, but he didn't invented the virus, he discovered the virus from the creature comming from a dark sector, which the americans found first, but later in the intro of dark sector, the russians found the creature that already was infected the submarine, then they called mezmer, and then mezner is infected and then you have the story of why the infection in the dark sector game, and you ask, what creature? well..

 

http://darksector.wikia.com/wiki/Stalker

 

Yargo describes the Stalker as "very old", so, someone can assume this is the original creature found by the americans, then found by the russians, then studied by mezner.

 

the next thing, nemesis.

 

http://darksector.wikia.com/wiki/Nemesis

 

it has a variation of the original virus, and you can say has the first prototype warframe developed by mezner, with this, you can assume, hayden is infected by a more stable version of the virus (we can call it the response A to the virus), so thats why he has the glaive and stuff, so this variation of the virus is the one the tenno have;

 

the original virus can create mindless zombies (we can call it response B), or, can create humans like nemesis and hayden (response A), and it has the distinction that the ones affected by this virus have metallic skin.

 

another hint to that can be the first tenno in hibernation model, a.k.a. "naked nick":

 

Inside.jpg

 

now the technocyte virus from the infested

 

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Infested

 

long story short, they are a failed experiment, a modified version of the virus, made by the orokin in an attempt to control them, after the Great plague implied in the description of the mire weapon

 

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Mire

 

Toppien, again. This is from Dark Sector, not Warframe. Read the dialogue and lore from the Orokin Derelict Missions and you'll see that. Also read the guy who posted above you, he has a clearer idea on what the Technocyte virus actually is in the context of "WARFRAME" not Dark sector. I mentioned the technocyte virus because it really really bothers me that they couldn't just call it another name, but had to recycle an idea from an old game rather than 'upcycle' it or revise it, where they couldn't explain THAT properly either. 

 

Also, naked nick is a placeholder? So. There's that. 

 

Also are you trying to say Dark Sector and Warframe share the same universe? If so that would blow my mind, and ruin this game for me. Dark Sector's story was awful, and Warframe is kind of heading that same direction, 

 

"They added new stories, which just makes more loose ends, that DE seem very reluctant on cleaning/tying up."

 

 

^ this describes it perfectly.

 

There are so many.... how do I say... potential lore fragments being "started". But they are never really being worked on.

Instead they seem to throw in more and more fragments - the issue is - every fragment is it's own story.

What about infested Alad V?

What about Frohd Bek (we wrecked his fire hyenas... remember?)?

just 2 examples..

 

And instead of building up on this, something like the cryotic event happened - which had fun gameplay- no doubt about that- but....0 lore value. Nothing.

 

Exactly! It's like writing a bunch of letters and then no clearing it up. Imagine i handed you an essay paper that was entirely composed of this:

 

A  an w  k d i  o a  ar an  th n s o  hi s lf. 

 

^ This is basically Warframe lore. There is the syntax for proper lore and good potential ideas, but without a paradigm, they fall apart just like the English language. 

 

And they never explain anything, the game itself is fine, (I won't say great because I have gripes) The art design is fantastic and fresh, now give us reasons or a plot to tie everything together! 

 

Please DE please! Stop making new rubbish plots and go back and revise your original ideas! 

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Just going to have to point this out but Dark Sector isn't actually within the warframe universe of lore. They share a LOT of basic ideas and visuals because Dark Sector was basically what DE eventually settled for selling the ideas for Dark Sector. The original idea for Dark Sector started in 2004 and the game they envisioned was basically Warframe. Unfortunately they couldn't get any producers to fund the project and Dark Sector ended up shelved.

 

and a rather nice article talking about how that original concept was eventually revived as Warframe  Edited by Riot_Inducer
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Also are you trying to say Dark Sector and Warframe share the same universe? If so that would blow my mind, and ruin this game for me. Dark Sector's story was awful, and Warframe is kind of heading that same direction, 

 

 

 
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NOW YOU GET IT! :D and now the game is ruined for you, to bad, for you, i love the lore of dark sector and warframe, and i think they are making something awesome

 

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Just going to have to point this out but Dark Sector isn't actually within the warframe universe of lore. They share a LOT of basic ideas and visuals because Dark Sector was basically what DE eventually settled for selling the ideas for Dark Sector. The original idea for Dark Sector started in 2004 and the game they envisioned was basically Warframe. Unfortunately they couldn't get any producers to fund the project and Dark Sector ended up shelved.

 

and a rather nice article talking about how that original concept was eventually revived as Warframe

 

they said dark sector and warframe share the same universe. somewhere, on twitter i think

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I'm a huge fan of lore, more than many other people when it comes down to gaming. However lore isn't just what makes a good game its fixing it little by little and updating it little by little so that nothing gets left behind and destroys the lore people have worked so hard too create.

 

Having said that Warframe has left allot of "Screws lose" and have yet too fix major gaming problems while focusing their work on what appears too be more flashy subjects, I mean I'm all up for flashy but this screams the Kubrow Update all over again. People kept questioning "Will Warframe ever fix its major issues and not waste their time on pointless Kubrow"? We all know Warframe is a constant updating game, more so than many other games out their so just give them time they also go back to problems that need fixing.

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I'm a huge fan of lore, more than many other people when it comes down to gaming. However lore isn't just what makes a good game its fixing it little by little and updating it little by little so that nothing gets left behind and destroys the lore people have worked so hard too create.

 

Having said that Warframe has left allot of "Screws lose" and have yet too fix major gaming problems while focusing their work on what appears too be more flashy subjects, I mean I'm all up for flashy but this screams the Kubrow Update all over again. People kept questioning "Will Warframe ever fix its major issues and not waste their time on pointless Kubrow"? We all know Warframe is a constant updating game, more so than many other games out their so just give them time they also go back to problems that need fixing.

 

Not to mention Kubrows look awful no offense. 

 

DE! I want walking Shark Dogs, make it happen! 

 

But on the serious side yes, It's kind of like they keep distracting you from real issues with:

 

"HEY LOOK NEW STUFF HUH??? HUH ?? WHAT DO YOU THINK GREAT RIGHT" 

 

Your eyes slowly look over to the pile of human corpses in the corner. You try to point it out:

 

"NO NO NO LOOK AT THE NEW STUFF! LOOK ARCHWING!! WOOOO DON'T MIND THE CORNER"

 

 

 
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NOW YOU GET IT! :D and now the game is ruined for you, to bad, for you, i love the lore of dark sector and warframe, and i think they are making something awesome

 

 

I hope you realise sometime soon, this is not a good thing. Go read reviews, do some research. Please. 

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