Official Statement On The Site To Stop This Legendary Madness

[gnat6]

 

You lose less or even none, yet you want something much bigger in return, its called greed.

This is where every argument against legendary forma falls apart people spend time and forma to remove those skill polarities they are getting the forma back and are asking for the time back as well that is not asking for more than they lost that is asking for a full refund

and honestly if you don't think legendary forma is a good idea then fine please do make your opinion known but claiming to take the moral high ground just because you don't have a problem with getting some of your progress erased is going too far.

[CrystalRibbon]

spend time and forma to remove those skill polarities

 

Did the people who disagreed said that youll loose your all of your effort thus warranting this rant? Incase your one of the people who formaed all of thier warframe slots,only losing 1-2 slots a big deal? your scared your not going to be as strong as usual?

You already wasted your time by forming all of the slots (you enjoyed it?)yet you still rant like no end by just losing a slot or two?

 

Sure, i dont like it if DE resets all of my progress, but if you read thier posts ,your only lose few, not a big deal.

again It all boils down to wanting more by losing less.

Edited October 24, 2014 by CrystalRibbon

[Azawarau]

"And you don't want legendary formas to happen because you got some legendary fusion cores left and fear the price gonna decrease so you not gonna sell them as good as you would like, even tho one has nothing to do with the other except the name,"

See... I assume some incredible S#&$ and make people being like "wtf" in just a second.

I literally said even if they arent tradeable in my post

 

And i have never sold a single item on the market so you can stop with the baseless assumptions and ignorant claims

 

Every post youve made has been trash in this thread

 

Literal trash

[Rekkou]

What bothers me most is if future change ruined your build so much, then why not protest against the change itself? or you can bargain to keep 10 slots instead of 8. But once the legendary forma is mentioned, nobody even protest the change anymore and all jumps to the legendary forma bandwagon.

 

Both ways have just as much chance to be granted by DE. But keeping 10 slots made much more sense because it's a win-win for everyone. People keep all their slots and DE doesn't have to compensate for anything. And Legendary forma is the least helpful solution, your time is still wasted, you're still stuck with only 8 slots. But why people are so adamant in getting legendary forma?

[AlphaHorseman]

1. Ofc I can get the time lost. Do you even read? A forma that lets the warframe not reset is something that makes the time not lost.

2. Why should those people that do not get a legendary forma now get one? I'm not ranting I'm suggesting. You are ranting. How is it unfair to them? I lost my time I get an itme that reverse the time I invested in it. If your warframe doesn't get a level reset then why should you get a legnedary forma as well or even think it's not fair? This is like if somebody crashes my car and my car insurance pays the repair bills for me and some random guy on the street says... hey this is unfair why nobody gives me money for my car...well maybe because your car didn't get crashed?

3. So what? If they do use it on other items? Then that's a minus for them... They warframe stays unranked.

4. I see you got no economy knowledge. "and if they do become tradeable" well then blame DE and not people wanting to just use it on their warframes for the purpose not releveling it.

5. I don't think I need to be compensated I'm just asking DE if they would implement an item that doesn't make my warframe reach lv zero and me leveling it again because I don't want.

 

Yet again what's your excuse for not adding something like a legendary forma? Just one reason. Name it.

Your incomprehension and inability to see reason and common sense is all the more reason why your inability to bring up valid points has allowed everyone here to shoot holes in your baseless arguments.

 

1. DE NEVER PLANED to make Legendary Forma, for the simple fact that they knew it wasn't something ANYBODY needed, only something people want to whine about.

 

2. Why should you get a Legendary Forma period? Why must this be a thing? There isn't a bloody need for it because we already have bloody forma. 

 

3. This isn't gonna be a problem, this will never be a problem, because DE realizes that the idea of Legendary Forma's are stupid, and will not implement them.

 

4. I'm a Business Law and Economics Major you baseless bilge rat, I have more economic knowledge than you can comprehend. And again, this will not be a problem because the idea of Legendary Forma is a stupid one.

 

5. You feel entitled to something you don't deserve. You want compensation, that's pretty much what Forma is, and they're giving that to you. Legendary Forma is a stupid excuse for trying to extort DE. Just take the damn food from the hands that feed you, and be grateful.

 

These aren't excuses, they're reasonable and valid points, your inability to see them as such speaks to how little you understand on the topic.

 

All your posts thus far have been null on the point, and offer no valid or clear reason why Legendary Forma has to be a thing. All arguments for them have been "I want" "I want" "I think I deserve this because" "I want" "I stuck myself into a 1 power build like an idiot and now want to be compensated for my own actions when in actuality it was all my own fault". Or for you it's been "how old are you?" honestly, what kind of response is that? That question has no relevance to the topic.

 

So please, feel free to try and spew some nonsense on why this needs to be a thing, because thus far its all been wants, not needs.

[Kruglov]

4. I'm a Business Law and Economics Major you baseless bilge rat, I have more economic knowledge than you can comprehend.

 

 

Oh my god this forum.

 

First people making blatant lies about the motives behind the idea for the forma and now this.

 

It's like youtube's comment section.

[AlphaHorseman]

 

Oh my god this forum.

 

First people making blatant lies about the motives behind the idea for the forma and now this.

 

It's like youtube's comment section.

Running out of invalid points, so you're resorting to personal attacks because you realize the invalidity of Legendary Forma?

[Kruglov]

Running out of invalid points, so you're resorting to personal attacks because you realize the invalidity of Legendary Forma?

 

Nah, I'm just laughing at you.

[akira_him]

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So please, feel free to try and spew some nonsense on why this needs to be a thing, because thus far its all been wants, not needs.

you are right, as time means nothing to you

some people just don't want to spend extra time to get something that they already have

would be disappear for a while after the update

but yet totally possible to get back to the same level

it just wasting people's time

I rather spend time in experiencing new feature, not wasting my time releveling my frames

 

BTW it won't hurts me if there is no L.forma are given, I never formaed my frames except the Exca prime, it took like 2 ksite to forma it with booster

but what about people having more warframes formaed?

 be in mind that it is not always FUN (which DE concerns most) to reforma things

it is totally not needed, but this shows that DE cares the feeling of players, and I am pretty sure you know the importance of this if you are majoring in what you claim you're

DE can make these L.forma untradable for obvious reasons, what they did to L.core was a mistake

 

edited for some typo

Edited October 24, 2014 by akira_him

[AlphaHorseman]

Nah, I'm just laughing at you.

Yeah, you're out of any actual constructive response.

 

you are right, as time means nothing to you

some people just don't want to spend extra time to get something that they already have

would be disappear for a while after the update

but yet totally possible to get back to the same level

it just wasting people's time

I rather spend time in experiencing new feature, not wasting my time releveling my frames

 

BTW it won't hurts me if there is no L.forma are given, I never formaed my frames except the Exca prime, it took like 2 ksite to forma it with booster

but what about people having more warframes formaed?

 be in mind that it is not always FUN (which DE concerns most) to reforma things

it is totally not needed, but this shows that DE cares the feeling of players, and I am pretty sure you know the importance of this if you are majoring in what you claim you're

DE can make these L.forma untradable for obvious reasons, what they did to L.core was a mistake

 

edited for some typo

Understandable points. And I thank you for actually being constructive about it.

 

The big thing DE has planned to do though, is give back our Formae. For most, that would be enough, as many do not forma away most of their slots for customization. The rest, I would have to say at max you're reranking maybe twice per frame. Maybe not even that, as you've got two less slots to worry about. Or just one if you've left only one power on. You get the 8 plus the forma that you may have lost with the 2 slots being exchanged. Also, you're getting the power points back from the powers you have on your frames, so you may not even have to level at all as you've got the extra mod points from that.

 

Another instance where a system change was implemented was the Melee 2.0 shifts and the removal of charge attacks. Some peoples weapons were specifically built to dish out massive charge damage, whole builds on a melee weapon were built around that. With the advent of Melee 2.0, and the removal of charge attacks and the introduction of Stances, entire builds like that were going to become obsolete. The numbers of melee weapons people had were extreme, and tremendous amounts of builds were going to be trashed or had to be remade. When DE implemented this system, there was no compensation given for this, only the news to players that Melee was getting an entire overhaul. 

 

This time around DE see's fit to give us Forma back, when they aren't legally bound to do so. As a business move, yes, this is actually a great move for them as they're compensating the player base for any inconvenience this can (and probably will for those extreme min-max builds) bring up. They're doing more now than they have for some of the previous QOL and 2.0 changes. What upsets me the most is that people are getting compensation for something when they have no legal right to get it, and yet feel entitled to ask for more when they've already gotten back a lot.

 

This next statement is directed not to you, but to others:

 

DE is giving you something back when they don't actually have to, some Studios just say "here ya go, don't care if you don't like it, its our game so toodles" and go on their merry way.

 

Be thankful you're getting the Forma back at least, because other Studio's wouldn't be doing that.

[Semshol]

Just make it not tradable, problem solved, don't be evil to those of us who have spent actual time on our frames.

[CrystalRibbon]

I cant see how you'll loose much with the changes coming,

 

4 ability builds gain 2 mod slots

3 ability builds gain 1 mod slot and 1 more ability back

2 ability builds gain 0 mod slots, but they get the 2 abilities back (hated? nope, its just a reason to specialization of build which isn't a big deal if its lost)

1 ability builds gain -1 mod slots, but 3 abilities, a forma

0 ability builds (really? are you insulting the devs?), -2 mod slots, 4 abilities, 2 forma

 

i can only see that 2 builds out of 5 if being negatively affected slighty but thy have thier abilities back plus a refund forma. which isn't a bad deal. i doubt  that you have alot of warframes with 0 abilities being used else your playing the wrong game as warframe is supposed to be used with thier ability. Either way, is 2 rerank much?

 

 

Forma'ing a frame from 0-30 is like 3-4 runs on Kiste. Lol. Who cares?

 

 

 

To begin, let’s take a quick look at some dev philosophy:

 

Each Warframe has 4 unique abilities. The current Ability Mod system means players sometimes sacrifice an Ability (or more) in favour of a different mod, leaving a Warframe’s power set incomplete. The next phase of Warframe Abilities aims to maintain a complete Ability set for every Warframe that is based on progression, while offering more choice for modding. Fundamentally, this new system improves versatility without having to sacrifice any Abilities.

 

want to read more?

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/325551-warframe-ability-mods-coming-changes/#entry3672729

Edited October 24, 2014 by CrystalRibbon

[DeMoNiCxTuToR]

IDC, if they give us this 'Legendary Forma, TBH I'd prolly have at least 10+ coming in.  If they don't..oh well.

[akira_him]

I cant see how you'll loose much with the changes coming,

 

4 ability builds gain 2 mod slots

3 ability builds gain 1 mod slot and 1 more ability back

2 ability builds gain 0 mod slots, but they get the 2 abilities back (hated? nope, its just a reason to specialization of build which isn't a big deal if its lost)

1 ability builds gain -1 mod slots, but 3 abilities, a forma

0 ability builds (really? are you insulting the devs?), -2 mod slots, 4 abilities, 2 forma

 

i can only see that 2 builds out of 5 if being negatively affected slighty but thy have thier abilities back plus a refund forma. which isn't a bad deal. i doubt  that you have alot of warframes with 0 abilities being used else your playing the wrong game as warframe is supposed to be used with thier ability.

 

 

want to read more?

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/325551-warframe-ability-mods-coming-changes/#entry3672729

Err, you can always put ability mods not in to a slot without polarity

e.g radial blind only cost 7 and E.shield cost only 9

builds without ability polarity does not necessarily insulting the devs

[CrystalRibbon]

Err, you can always put ability mods not in to a slot without polarity

e.g radial blind only cost 7 and E.shield cost only 9

builds without ability polarity does not necessarily insulting the devs

yea i only cited those out who formad those blank space first then the ability slots, otherwise they could do just that this removing the problem.

and yea it is insulting as the devs intended for those abilities atleast 1 to be used.

 

What if you have a friend who lived in another town gave you a phone as a present, and is hoping that youll use it to call them and contact them,

But you used only it for games and music, ignoring incoming calls. how would they feel?

 

What if I Forma’d/Polarized the 2 slots being removed?

Any Forma spent on Polarizing these 2 slots will be reimbursed.

 

What if I Forma’d/Polarized the 2 Ability slots that are staying?

If you Polarized these slots, the Polarization choice will stay. If you did not Polarize these slots, they will have a default unassigned Polarity.

 

Which 2 slots are being removed?

 

The slots being removed depends on where your Ability Polarities are located. For example, if you have swapped your Top Left default Ability Polarity slot somewhere in the middle of the Mod slot Layout, the position of your current Ability Polarity Slot is the one that will be removed.

 

If you haven't changed around the location of your Ability Polarity Mod slots, we are simply removing 2 of the 4, the top left and top right.

 

This question should answer concerns from players who have Swapped around Polarities and are worried we are 'just removing the leftmost column of slots' in a blanket script and not considering swaps.

Incomming  "lost time" argument

No one is forcing to to relevel your warframe, these are just for the people who are using 1-2 ability builds.

 

1-2 relevels a huge lost of lost time ?

 

sushidubya, on 24 Oct 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Forma'ing a frame from 0-30 is like 3-4 runs on Kiste. Lol. Who cares?

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/328129-official-statement-on-the-site-to-stop-this-legendary-madness/page-7#entry3712610

Edited October 24, 2014 by CrystalRibbon

[akira_him]

yea i only cited those out who formad those blank space first then the ability slots, otherwise they could do just that this removing the problem.

and yea it is insulting as the devs intended for those abilities atleast 1 to be used.

 

What if you have a friend who lived in another town gave you a phone as a present, and is hoping that youll use it to call them and contact them,

But you used only it for games and music, ignoring incoming calls. how would they feel?

 

oh god, what I mean is that put the ability mod in another slot, change the = slot into other polarity to save more points and some more flexiblity

like this http://goo.gl/uuwcH7

you simply don't comprehend

Edited October 24, 2014 by akira_him

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