Why Does Steel Meridian Hate The Perrin Sequence?

[Dewsitine]

who knows maybe there will be some event of some kind where some of the syndis break their ties with the current allies and form new ones?

 

I don't know to me the syndis look like a bunch of people playing the game war original edition.

[Jucesar]

who knows maybe there will be some event of some kind where some of the syndis break their ties with the current allies and form new ones?

 

I don't know to me the syndis look like a bunch of people playing the game war original edition.

It would be awesome. I'd love to see the Perrin Sequence break their bonds with the New Loka, and ally with the Steel Meridian. Also, make every syndicate hostile to the Red Veil :^)

[kaboomonme]

Here are my thoughts on this. There isn't much to go on for now, as we wait for updates in the future for more insight on syndicate lore, but for now, here is what I have.


Steel Meridian : Protects colonies and civilians, fights for the sake of the defenseless. They inadvertently strongly oppose the Grineer, as it was the main reason the faction was formed.

Red Veil : Wants to restore balance and destroy corruption, and would stop at nothing to achieve it, no matter how much blood may be shed. Anyone  perceived as a threat to their agenda would receive no mercy from them. OP's view on the Red Veil may be twisted or biased.

Perrin Sequence : Think that the Corpus approach to being a tyrannical tech and wealth hoarding corporation is stupid, and that a joint faction that welcomes external help would not only maximize efficiency, but also minimize spending (conflicts and takeovers).


Why the Red Veil allies themselves with Steel Meridian?

Firstly, their agendas don't clash. Red Veil is out to destroy corruption and Steel Meridian are protecting colonies from tyranny.

Secondly, they are both factions that are actively in conflict, as their agendas cannot be achieved without it. Thus, allying themselves with each other would prove beneficial to both. They would also be able to help each other out without fear of conflicting objectives. They can also rely on each other for reinforcements or armaments if there is a need to do so.

Third, there is a chance that they see value in each others agendas. Cleansing corruption would indirectly mean dealing with the Grineer for the Steel Meridian, while protecting the colonies would indirectly contribute to the state of "balance" that the Red Veil seek.

Why the Steel Meridian are enemies with the Perrin Sequence?

Firstly, there is a chance that, like many have already mentioned, the innate hate between Grineer and Corpus still exist. Their agendas may have changed, but their code and approach towards events are still the same, and they have not forgotten the ugly side of the faction.

Secondly, OP has mentioned the Perrin Sequence restoring wealth to the colonies. This may not be the case.

The Perrin Sequence are wealthy merchants, not a charity. Remember, they only reject the "conflict" part of the Corpus ideology, not the rest of it, so they are still innately Corpus. Their ultimate goal is to seek Profit, and if the event in question does not meet this goal, then they have no interest in it. It is also possible that the Perrin Sequence not only would not help the colonies under attack by the Grineer, seeing that there are no returns or gains to be had in this endeavor, they probably also see the Steel Meridian as foolish. Why would you bother fighting against a powerful faction when you could ally yourselves with them and share the gains?


P.S. These are mostly opinion and speculation, as there isn't much to go on for the syndicates, other than dev input and a few lines of text, but this is what I think. Also, I'm Steel Meridian.

[MihawkDulacr1]

-snip-

, I'm Steel Meridian.

I greet you, oh allied brother!

jk xD

I also joint Meridian. I join the opinion of kaboom mostly. The Meridian protect the colonies and since the Perrin Sequence doesnt fully put down the corpus doctrine, it might be possible them not seeing any profit in the colonies and thus denying help to them which pissed of the steel meridian grineers and their leader and might even fired up their hatred for them.

 

I might be the only one, but i like this whole faction war...i hope there will be more explanation which and why they are allies and foremost i hope sweet events from it.

[FATEdPondera]

I think I can answer this. Why does the Steel Meridian hate the Perrin Sequence? Because the Corpus are the Walmart of the future. Even when they claim to be interested in peace, the Sequence is still this giant soulless corporation that has a way of stepping on the little guy. Most likely, they employ colonists with crappy wages, unsafe working conditions, and a general lack of human respect. Y'know, just like Walmart does now.

The only thing we in the Meridian have to offer the Sequence is a bullet. Go ahead, send your eximus squads after me, but just... leave a return address. I need somewhere to mail the scrap.

[Jucesar]

Maybe that's the case, but I personally don't think so, mostly from the description of the syndicate: "Their goal is to restore order by bringing prosperity and direction to the violent world they study". Although your theory is as probable as mine, I think their hate comes from the "corpus vs grineer" hate. Like, you may have splintered, but once Corpus always Corpus, and vice versa. Also, the way Profit is written with capital letters may imply that it's like a religion for the Corpus and the Sequence. I'm a Sequencer, personally.

Good to see this thread is alive again

I greet you, oh allied brother!

jk xD

I also joint Meridian. I join the opinion of kaboom mostly. The Meridian protect the colonies and since the Perrin Sequence doesnt fully put down the corpus doctrine, it might be possible them not seeing any profit in the colonies and thus denying help to them which &!$$ed of the steel meridian grineers and their leader and might even fired up their hatred for them.

I might be the only one, but i like this whole faction war...i hope there will be more explanation which and why they are allies and foremost i hope sweet events from it.

Maybe that's the case, but I personally think so, mostly from the description of the syndicate: "Their goal is to restore order by bringing prosperity and direction to the violent world they study". Although your theory is as probable as mine, I think their hate comes from the "corpus vs grineer" hate. Like, you may have splintered, but once Corpus always Corpus, and vice versa. Also, the way Profit is written with capital letters may imply that it's like a religion for the Corpus and the Sequence. I'm a Sequencer, personally.

Good to see this thread is alive again

Edited October 28, 2014 by Jucesar

[UrielColtan]

It's "Progressive vs. Conservative".

 

Red veil wants to establish a new order, arbiters want to re-establish old system, only with Tenno where there were Orokin.

 

I disagree and don't see Red Veil as progressive thinkers at all, they want to purge anything at the drop of a hat if they see fit. Arbiters seek truth and don't say jack about re-establishing the old system. I think the only real reason Red Veil even team with Steel Meridian is for mere intel on Grineer. I dont think they would hesitate to kill them and the people they protect though once their usefulness expires. No cost too great, no blood too precious. Steel Meridian even make note that they are the only syndicate that protects these civilians, no one else.

Edited October 28, 2014 by UrielColtan

[UrielColtan]

Here are my thoughts on this. There isn't much to go on for now, as we wait for updates in the future for more insight on syndicate lore, but for now, here is what I have.

Steel Meridian : Protects colonies and civilians, fights for the sake of the defenseless. They inadvertently strongly oppose the Grineer, as it was the main reason the faction was formed.

Red Veil : Wants to restore balance and destroy corruption, and would stop at nothing to achieve it, no matter how much blood may be shed. Anyone  perceived as a threat to their agenda would receive no mercy from them. OP's view on the Red Veil may be twisted or biased.

Perrin Sequence : Think that the Corpus approach to being a tyrannical tech and wealth hoarding corporation is stupid, and that a joint faction that welcomes external help would not only maximize efficiency, but also minimize spending (conflicts and takeovers).

Why the Red Veil allies themselves with Steel Meridian?

Firstly, their agendas don't clash. Red Veil is out to destroy corruption and Steel Meridian are protecting colonies from tyranny.

Secondly, they are both factions that are actively in conflict, as their agendas cannot be achieved without it. Thus, allying themselves with each other would prove beneficial to both. They would also be able to help each other out without fear of conflicting objectives. They can also rely on each other for reinforcements or armaments if there is a need to do so.

Third, there is a chance that they see value in each others agendas. Cleansing corruption would indirectly mean dealing with the Grineer for the Steel Meridian, while protecting the colonies would indirectly contribute to the state of "balance" that the Red Veil seek.

Why the Steel Meridian are enemies with the Perrin Sequence?

Firstly, there is a chance that, like many have already mentioned, the innate hate between Grineer and Corpus still exist. Their agendas may have changed, but their code and approach towards events are still the same, and they have not forgotten the ugly side of the faction.

Secondly, OP has mentioned the Perrin Sequence restoring wealth to the colonies. This may not be the case.

The Perrin Sequence are wealthy merchants, not a charity. Remember, they only reject the "conflict" part of the Corpus ideology, not the rest of it, so they are still innately Corpus. Their ultimate goal is to seek Profit, and if the event in question does not meet this goal, then they have no interest in it. It is also possible that the Perrin Sequence not only would not help the colonies under attack by the Grineer, seeing that there are no returns or gains to be had in this endeavor, they probably also see the Steel Meridian as foolish. Why would you bother fighting against a powerful faction when you could ally yourselves with them and share the gains?

P.S. These are mostly opinion and speculation, as there isn't much to go on for the syndicates, other than dev input and a few lines of text, but this is what I think. Also, I'm Steel Meridian.

Nothing biased about TC's quote about Red Veil, they see corruption all around them and want to enact a great and violent purge, and no cost is too great or blood too precious for them. What you said about Perrin can also be considered biased

Edited October 28, 2014 by UrielColtan

[Kietsu]

Well the most obvious thing is that Meridian are led by a Grineer war veteran, and Perrin are Corpus.

 

But the Steel Meridian aim to 'help those who cannot help themselves', while the Perrin Sequence are still all about the profit - or basically, 'help those who can help us more'. Chances are the Perrin Sequence absolutely refuse to help the Steel Meridian out at all, because they're likely a poor revolutionary group, and the Perrin refuse to profit from fighting anyways.

[Freelancer27]

Two things I know about the Steel Meridians:

 

1. No Steel Meridian (who is a Grineer exile faction) = No Wraith Weapons (for the Red Veil)

2. Greedy Milk > Grin-Dogs

[Caliocerion]

This

Edited October 28, 2014 by Caliocerion

[kaboomonme]

Nothing biased about TC's quote about Red Veil, they see corruption all around them and want to enact a great and violent purge, and no cost is too great or blood too precious for them. What you said about Perrin can also be considered biased

No cost is too great and no blood is too precious, but that doesn't mean they just send people in to die for the hell of it. It just means they are willing to be extreme when nobody else would.

The line "they see corruption all around them" may not mean that they wish to destroy everything. It's more likely to be referring to the great factions that currently dominate the galaxy (The Grineer and the Corpus), which if why they worded it as "all around them"; because of how dominant they are in the system.

A purge doesn't mean destroying everything, which many seem to misunderstand. A purge can be selective.

 

purgeverb (used with object), purged, purging.

1.

to rid of whatever is impure or undesirable; cleanse; purify.

2.

to rid, clear, or free (usually followed by of or from):

to purge a political party of disloyal members.

3.

to clear of imputed guilt or ritual uncleanliness.

4.

to clear away or wipe out legally (an offense, accusation, etc.) byatonement or other suitable action.

5.

to remove by cleansing or purifying (often followed by away, off, orout).

6.

to clear or empty (the bowels) by causing evacuation.

7.

to cause evacuation of the bowels of (a person).

 

Think of it as a "cleansing", they want to destroy everything that is corrupted. Sort of like "extreme janitors", willing to risk their lives to remove anything they see as "unpure".

Do you have any more input on why you think my view on the Perrin Sequence is biased? This thread needs to be kept alive, and I'm glad there are people actually interested in the lore.

[Brimir]

The bad blood between the Corpus and Grineer must be running deeper than we thought.

[UnknownGunneryChief]

Corpus are greedy scum.

I'm surprised the Perrin Sequence isn't the enemy of everyone.

I'm proud to be part of The Perrin Sequence.

 

THE PERRIN SEQUENCE SHALL BUY YOU ALL TO DEATH!!!

 

P.S. Not sure if I should be scared or laughing at that Eximus Roller Platoon. Lol.

Edited October 29, 2014 by UnknownGunneryChief

[Tsukinoki]

Here are my thoughts on the opposition:

The Steel Merridian generally just wants to help the underdogs and people that are suffering because of the wars and current oppressive regimes that are in power.  They are a rebel group that wants to help the people.

They see the Red Veil as a group that can help them.  Afterall, the Red Veil wants to remove the corruption that is currently there.  The goals do align when it comes to the current oppressive regimes: remove them.  While the alliance would most likely fall apart after that is done because the Red Veil seems a tad fanatical and might turn against the colonies that the Steel Merridian is trying to help, at least for now they can agree and work together.

The Perrin Sequence on the other hand they don't like.  The Sequence seems to still largely follow the Corpus doctrine, profit above all, except they want to get it peacefully and by avoiding conflict instead of starting conflicts and profiteering off the resulting battles.  The Steel Merridian see the Sequence as only helping when they get a clear benefit, and potentially being exploitative towards the colonists instead of trying to help out and remove the current oppressive regime.  And honestly I dont see the Sequence wanting to remove the current regimes all that much or help the colonies unless they stand to gain a profit.

The Steel Merridian thinks it's wrong that the Sequence only wants a profit from it instead of wanting to help for the sake of helping, and that is where the conflict comes from.

[Brimir]

Guys, guys, guys: The Grineer don't like the Corpus and vice-versa. It is as simple as that. Old, deeply rooted prejudice is what makes them dislike each-other.

[Grayphilosopher]

Post removed, wrong thread

Edited October 29, 2014 by Grayphilosopher

[Temfist]

as said above Grineer vs Corpus.

 

 

it doesnt matter that they are Grineer rebels. They still are Grineer (and they hate corpus)

 

 

i have a better question why is Red Veil against Arbiters?

I believe the Red Veil and the Arbiters are essentially; RV = "Communist" vs AoH = "Monarchist", where the RV want all people to be equal, and will eliminate all who oppose their agenda, verse the Arbiters who desire to become the new rulers of the universe through Tenno Superiority.

 

going back to the Steel Meridian and Perrin Sequence for a moment, while it does make sense to simply say they have deep rooted hatred towards one another, I feel it would be silly to assume they are not dynamic enough as thinkers to put those differences aside, and as such, I feel their opposition goes deeper then that.

 

That said, I look at Steel Meridian and Perrin Sequence as; SM = "Anarchism" vs PS = "Capitalsim", where the SM Grineer view themselves as not only Rebels against the other Grineer, but also Vigilante's in what they believe to be a "Survival of the Fittest" society, willing to not only fight against the established governments, rules and systems, but also striving to be hero's among it's people by "defending the weak" while also being "strong". PS Corpus however are just a bunch of new politicians that want to do things "different" then their current Corpus brethren. Corpus also seem to have a highly male elitist society, having no Female Corpus in the field or in leadership from what we've seen so far, which I'm sure also bothers the SM Grineer a bit for the same reasons they support Anarchy, seeing as how they are led by female and male Grineer. Their opposition seems to me, more political end game then it does rooted in hatred. SM want freedom from "Greedy Leaders", PS want to be new "Business Leaders"....likely driven by greed.

 

The alliances then start to make "slightly" more sense. Arbiters wanting "Monarchy" and SM wanting "Socialism" through Anarchy, putting their differences aside momentarily and waiting to see who comes which comes out higher up at the end, while Red Veil and SM are working closer towards a similar goal, communism just being a more extreme version of socialism. SM perhaps view the Red Veil as a necessary evil, a means to an end, so they are "allies" for now.

 

Red Veil vs Arbiters however, then starts to make perfect sense. They are both "Tenno Syndicates" that seemingly, unlike us, perhaps do not work with the Lotus anymore. This means they were so set on their beliefs that it conflicted with their ability to perform missions I suppose. Either way, the differences between their political goals are almost ironic;

 

Monarchy via a class system, through the Tenno, would mean that the Tenno view themselves as the highest class, and as such would likely only establish Tenno leadershp, who would then delegate to humans and other members of society who they view are "beneath them" but have a "high enough standing in society" to be trusted. This would form a dual class system. Tenno classes based on their clans, and human classes based on their income or some other measure of value. It would perhaps be good, as all "Good Kings" have been perhaps some of the best things to ever happen to a society, but the potential risk for a "Bad King" to step in was always there. Perhaps the Arbiters recognize this, which is why they believe so strongly in being the new Kings....because unlike the Kings of Old, Tenno are "Immortal", and so their reign would never end. If they are good rulers, they will always remain.

 

Red Veil seems to want people to simply be free of corrupt institution (a potential corrupt monarchy by fellow Tenno perhaps being their biggest fear and threat). I don't know if they are so much communist, as much as they support the idea, of a "perfect communist society" where no one would own anything, and they would all simply do their part. Red Veil however do not see themselves as "members" of this society, they simply see themselves as tools of war, enforcers of the "order" they themselves may not fully understand. They are not wise, but they are driven towards an extreme version balance through force, and they recognize that only through the power of the Tenno, can such a lofty goal be achieved. As tools, they have no ethics, so no matter how good their end goal may seem, they will not achieve it by "popular methods".

 

Both Arbiters and Red Veil are sorta hard core in different ways, but at least Arbiters don't want anyone to get hurt in the process. I feel Arbiters want the universe to accept them as rulers through time, I believe they are patient like that. Red Veil want the corruption of rulers and capital to end by any means necessary, as "ending the opposition" is the "extreme" form of "restoring the balance" that they were created for, and the most "efficient" short term answer.

 

These are all just my thoughts and observations though, I don't presume to know what DE really wants for these factions, this is just how I've made sense of them.

Edited October 29, 2014 by Temphis

[MihawkDulacr1]

Maybe that's the case, but I personally think so, mostly from the description of the syndicate: "Their goal is to restore order by bringing prosperity and direction to the violent world they study". Although your theory is as probable as mine, I think their hate comes from the "corpus vs grineer" hate. Like, you may have splintered, but once Corpus always Corpus, and vice versa. Also, the way Profit is written with capital letters may imply that it's like a religion for the Corpus and the Sequence. I'm a Sequencer, personally.

Good to see this thread is alive again

Well most likely one or the other, we unfortunately dont know more :/ I hope to see some clearing up and hopefully also more details to what actually happened between them.

[RahuHordika]

-snip-

I'm sorry but I do not see where people are getting this idea that AoH wants to be some kind of monarchy or 'superior power'. It doesn't take too much thought to look at them more as monks who (as suggested by, well pretty much everything they say and in their section) simply seek truth and enlightment without any real political ideals. They see the Tenno as being mere tools for others and simply want them to go above that.

[Phoenix86]

Because reasons.

[sedu13]

I don't think Perrin and Meridian hate themselves, just dislike the fact that you are chasing another objective.

 

 

Help Meridian and Perrin thinks you are wasting time when you could be helping them to bring wealth to those colonies.

Help Perrin and Meridian dislikes you for focusing on the monetary side while the people won't be there to get that money.

Help Meridian and Red Veil respects you for helping those who are weaker than you.

[Nissun]

The Red Veils seemed much more humble and thankful when we were saving their asses. I'd expect a " thank you", but instead get "We await sacrifice". I regret saving that 100 Red Veil agents, and I really want to burn the syandana I got for helping them.

Pierce the Veil

god, I wish these things were tradeable. I missed that reward because I got fed up of playing the missions. I was so foolish back then. I'd gladly take that syandana from someone who doesn't want it.

 

Specially after the Red Veil leader turned out to be a hottie. Or whoever that guy is, if he isn't Cantis. Maybe he's her second in command. Or maybe between the events of that operation and now, there was an internal power struggle and Cantis isn't the leader anymore. The Red Veil have a slight Sith vibe going on, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Temfist]

I'm sorry but I do not see where people are getting this idea that AoH wants to be some kind of monarchy or 'superior power'. It doesn't take too much thought to look at them more as monks who (as suggested by, well pretty much everything they say and in their section) simply seek truth and enlightment without any real political ideals. They see the Tenno as being mere tools for others and simply want them to go above that.

their entire life philosophy has become opposition to the very idea that they "are merely warriors or tools", which instantly suggests they believe in becoming free thinking, world changing individuals.

 

Even the line "we will surpass our masters" tells you automatically that they are trying to assume a position of "leadership" over the entire solar system in due time, since their former masters, the "Orokins" were the former rulers of the solar system.

 

They may not come out and exposition their goals, but it's clearly obvious to me at least that becoming the new leadership of the galaxy is their end game. There is no better reason to enlighten themselves through "distancing themselves" from the Lotus as they currently are, since they "reject the current ways of thinking Tenno as warrors" as their very Dogma, which I believe the Lotus is "biased" on, since she uses them as tools herself. 

 

I think that is at least why I, and so many others keep coming to that conclusion, it's heavily inferred through everything that they say about "why" they seek enlightenment, or why they even exist as a "syndicate" as opposed to calling themselves "monks". If anything, they are more like Zealots, fighting for what they feel is their "Destiny" rather then simply meditating on it. If not they wouldn't have formed a Syndicate and asked Tenno to help them.

Edited October 29, 2014 by Temphis

[MichaelSD]

Remember, DE hates logic.

 

I think this is the most valid reason (with most of U15)