Brimir Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 It really sucks how the Warframe's tankiness is directly affecting your tankiness in Archwing mode. Loki suffers unfairly because of this: he is still as relatively squishy in comparison to the other Warframes in their Archwing but he loses both Invisibility and Radial Disarm which is how he makes up for his squishiness. I'm sure the same applies to other caster/utility Warframes but I've only had the (dis)pleasure of trying out Loki or now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Good, now get used to playing without your precious Radial Disarm. I use an Ash, so no smokescreen and Bladestorm for me. I just use the 1st and 3rd Archwing abilities. Those generally get me out of situations quite quickly. Edited October 28, 2014 by TheErebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrn. Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Loki might be squishy, but he's also got the highest base speed. That makes his Archwing the fastest, so use speed to avoid damage. He's who I've been using for all my Archwinging, and it is just insanely fun rolling flying around at the speed of sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 In a world with hitscan weapons, Loki's speed is overrated for anything but rushing missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senketsu_ Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Loki might be squishy, but he's also got the highest base speed. That makes his Archwing the fastest, so use speed to avoid damage. He's who I've been using for all my Archwinging, and it is just insanely fun rolling flying around at the speed of sound Gotta go FAST!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R34LM Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Good, now get used to playing without your precious Radial Disarm. Don't even go there. Loki doesn't have access to the abilities that allow him to survive despite his low stats. That's why Loki's need invisibility or RD, because they'd be sunk otherwise. For now, OP, you are better of using a really stat tanky frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octoknightx Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Arcance vangaurd helmet+Rhino Prime....poor Loki... Rhino Prime master race. Just can't wait for life strike to be active in melee mode so Valkyr can rise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormandreas Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Loki might be squishy, but he's also got the highest base speed. That makes his Archwing the fastest, so use speed to avoid damage. He's who I've been using for all my Archwinging, and it is just insanely fun rolling flying around at the speed of sound Wrong. Warframe speed does NOT affect the archwings, only health, shield, armour and power max MODS. And like TheErebus said, get used to not having radial disarm. Loki is one of those frames who doesn't need to bother adapting to situations, so requires the least skill to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Don't even go there. Loki doesn't have access to the abilities that allow him to survive despite his low stats. That's why Loki's need invisibility or RD, because they'd be sunk otherwise. For now, OP, you are better of using a really stat tanky frame. Oh I'll go there, and I'm (as an Ash player) not in a better situation either. We depend on Smoke screen and Bladestorm to get us through missions, but because we can't use it, we start using the stuff we have. Like I said, use the archwings abilities (primarily the default archwing) to allow for a more defensive buildup onto your frame. Edited October 28, 2014 by TheErebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnude Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 fast and tank... hmmm... vanguard works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You trade none tankiness for a large energy pool and speed if you want a tank frame then go frost or rhino. Valkyr laughs at your tanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadToRise Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Loki with max rush + Volt maxed speed. GOTTA GO FASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrn. Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Wrong. Warframe speed does NOT affect the archwings, only health, shield, armour and power max MODS. And like TheErebus said, get used to not having radial disarm. Loki is one of those frames who doesn't need to bother adapting to situations, so requires the least skill to play. Base speed does affect it, but mods that change that (Rush) do not. Having used both Loki and Frost Prime with these, I can say that Loki is considerably faster. Plus, plenty of other people have done testing and come up with similar results. http://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/2kfqxt/what_modsstats_get_carried_over_to_your_archwing/ Here's an example of someone else's testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcariusAero Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I've been able to survive easily with Archwing using my Loki Prime. I used my power mods from U13-14 before the 4 ability slots were replaced, and with one of those two slots, slapped on a vitality that isn't even max rank. Just play carefully, fly around a lot, or use melee to jump around and avoid hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix86 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 it's like you arent able to change frame... you feel squishy? and you cant use the skill of ur frame? why not change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 it's like you arent able to change frame... you feel squishy? and you cant use the skill of ur frame? why not change it? Because Archwing should not simply cater to Rhino...? Squishy frames are given an unfair disadvantage without the ability to use their abilities which are what makes up for their squishiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octoknightx Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Could just give everyone a default set of stats so no one needs to complain...but that might be boring :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Could just give everyone a default set of stats so no one needs to complain...but that might be boring :/ I'd rather the Archwing have their own set of stats (complete with their own version of Redirection and Vitality) rather than they "leech" stats of your Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyion Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Loki might be squishy, but he's also got the highest base speed. That makes his Archwing the fastest, so use speed to avoid damage. He's who I've been using for all my Archwinging, and it is just insanely fun rolling flying around at the speed of sound I don't think the extra speed really makes up for the loss of utility. Besides, you can get the exact same speed from Rhino Prime with the Arcane Vangaurd helmet. Which kinda makes Loki worthless by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorsContraction Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Base speed does affect it, but mods that change that (Rush) do not. Having used both Loki and Frost Prime with these, I can say that Loki is considerably faster. Plus, plenty of other people have done testing and come up with similar results. http://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/2kfqxt/what_modsstats_get_carried_over_to_your_archwing/ Here's an example of someone else's testing. According to the reddit results my Rhino Prime with Vanguard helmet has the same speed as loki with tons of more shields and life, and armor. Rhino Prime, master space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macdermott Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'd rather the Archwing have their own set of stats (complete with their own version of Redirection and Vitality) rather than they "leech" stats of your Warframe. I'd love to know how and why this isn't the case...maybe because you start the mission in the warframe and THEN "put the archwings on" like an attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 According to the reddit results my Rhino Prime with Vanguard helmet has the same speed as loki with tons of more shields and life, and armor. Rhino Prime, master space. Theres still the much larger energy pool of loki prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrn. Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Besides, you can get the exact same speed from Rhino Prime with the Arcane Vangaurd helmet. Which kinda makes Loki worthless by comparison. According to the reddit results my Rhino Prime with Vanguard helmet has the same speed as loki with tons of more shields and life, and armor. Rhino Prime, master space. Rhino Prime is ugly though lol I much prefer my main man Loki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latronico Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Good to know. Finally something in which Loki Prime isn't immortal and Loki players have an huge advantage. Switch to another frame or mod you Loki to better handle it. Like all the rest of the World do with their 'non-master race' Frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfeyBoi Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You could just run another frame because it's not just Loki that's squishy in the Archwing missions. Plus pretty much every frame is screwed when it comes to taking a hit. Especially when one of those Missile Skiff's hit you. I've seen my 1k+ shields get shredded almost instantly. And that 1k is about the entire combined health/shield bars of MOST frames, not just Loki. There isn't an unfair disadvantage, everyone's getting killed almost equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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