Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Simply because there is no mathematics questions for us to solve to the next step (maybe simple cryptography puzzles could be done to reveal the location [solve the code to reveal the location]), like Mirage's riddles and such. What do you other players think? Edited October 29, 2014 by Renegade343 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I would prefer math to grinding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryyos Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I agree I didn't like just doing hard archwing missions to get "proof fragments" and then doing earth extraction missions forever just to get the pieces. No thought involved, no puzzles, not enough magic in the quest to get the magic frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYABU5A Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 well we have an AI to help us, a true AI would be able to calculate even the most complex maths known to man right now in less than microsecond but sure a puzzle of some kind for novelty sake would be fun i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishmo Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Didn't really feel like a quest to me, so I'd have to agree. Just followed a scheme of: Excavation, Build, Excavation, Build, Excavation, Build. Would have been neat to have some custom layouts for certain quests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 well we have an AI to help us, a true AI would be able to calculate even the most complex maths known to man right now in less than microsecond but sure a puzzle of some kind for novelty sake would be fun i guess And why did Ordis not help us solve all those riddles for Mirage's quest as well, based on that train of thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Most people would just google the answers anyway. No real point lol I mean, does anyone really think the majority of players would figure out Charybdis? Come on now. Though I'd be able to judge the quest better if I did the mission. But interception is a god damn stupid mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senketsu_ Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Simply because there is no mathematics questions for us to solve to the next step (maybe simple cryptography puzzles could be done to reveal the location [solve the code to reveal the location]), like Mirage's riddles and such. What do you other players think? some of us are stupid. and suck at math<----- Edited October 29, 2014 by Senketsu_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Most people would just google the answers anyway. No real point lol I mean, does anyone really think the majority of players would figure out Charybdis? Come on now. It is the effort that counts. I mean, with the Internet, walkthroughs are going to be posted anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjpdn Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Me too. Even though walkthroughs are going to be posted anyways, I would be nice to let people who actually want to calculate it out to do it. It would be much more boring if Mirage's quest was just go there, do stuff ,go to another place, do stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It is the effort that counts. I mean, with the Internet, walkthroughs are going to be posted anyways. When it's just something that's either an easy answer or better done by googling, it's a pointless addition. I'd rather have something that's fun, interesting or a test of skill that can't be solved by googling the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 When it's just something that's either an easy answer or better done by googling, it's a pointless addition. I'd rather have something that's fun, interesting or a test of skill that can't be solved by googling the solution. Right. So that means most puzzle-based video games can just pack up and go home, since the puzzles can be better done by Googling (and subsequently walkthroughs), based on that train of thought. And who says puzzles are not fun? Heck, one example of fun puzzles is the Elemental Quest series in Runescape, especially the third and fourth instalments. Just hours of me drawing up diagrams to find out patterns and such, without any look into the walkthrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul_Echo Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 And why did Ordis not help us solve all those riddles for Mirage's quest as well, based on that train of thought? Well the Mirage Quest line involved riddles about ancient times, remember that Ordis has no memory of the War or before, meaning that those ancient times were lost to him, only people from during and before the War (like the Tenno) would have known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabehn Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I'd rather have "something" than just more grind, after doing 3+ missions with nonsense credit rewards and nothing else, and actually realizing that the mission IS called "Theorem" I'd expect a bit more out of them. Especially considering how "quests" were implemented to give the game something different than more grinding. Edited October 29, 2014 by Grabehn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Did I mention I hate math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well the Mirage Quest line involved riddles about ancient times, remember that Ordis has no memory of the War or before, meaning that those ancient times were lost to him, only people from during and before the War (like the Tenno) would have known. Counterpoint is that Ordis has access to knowledge of the history of Ancient Earth. Ordis just has no memories of the Old War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landwalrus Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Simply because there is no mathematics questions for us to solve to the next step (maybe simple cryptography puzzles could be done to reveal the location [solve the code to reveal the location]), like Mirage's riddles and such. What do you other players think? I would prefer an actual puzzle to the garbage grinding they're calling content. It is lame as is, and the scaling is a pathetic way to ramp up the challenge. Just another stupid grind wall that is neither fun nor particularly unique in concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Did I mention I hate math? You do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 You do? For the sake of argument and migraine inducing discrete combinatorics, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaru Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Not everyone would be able to solve a satisfyingly difficult math problem. For me, a difficult math problem involves Calculus. Someone else might struggle with polynomials. Some would inevitably find it too difficult and others would find it insultingly easy. Simple answer to the OP: Because it can't involve math without screwing over some of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Simple answer to the OP: Because it can't involve math without screwing over some of the players. Which the same can be said for the Mirage riddles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Why not do both? Offer a puzzle to pinpoint the extraction location for the Limbo part or just keep grinding. Edited October 29, 2014 by KnotOfMetal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Offer a puzzle to pinpoint the extraction location for the Limbo part or just keep grinding. And 90% of the players are probably just going to go for the grind. At least, this is the trend I see with video game players: Less use of thinking (and yes, I am being a bit of a hypocrite). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaru Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Which the same can be said for the Mirage riddles. Agreed, which actually impacted my overall enjoyment of the quest. I enjoyed the lore of the quest (Mirage's story) but I felt that I was forced to use trial and error or the wiki to complete the quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Agreed, which actually impacted my overall enjoyment of the quest. I enjoyed the lore of the quest (Mirage's story) but I felt that I was forced to use trial and error or the wiki to complete the quest. I actually enjoyed that riddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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