I Have Encounter A Problem About The Kind Of Warframe You Use In Archwing Missions. Weaker Defensive Warframe Are Less Likely To Be Used. + Solution

[SWAT_Omega]

So I have been playing the archwing missions for a while and I discovered that warframes with low Shield, Health, and armor are not as viable as higher defensive stats. In normal game play the Warframe are viable for the Abilities more then there defensive stats. However when you play archwing missions there is little to no reason to play a low defensive warframes. Archwing mission are based more survivability and the archwing used. That mean most Warframe are less likely used in archwing missions, BUT I have a solution depending on the Warframe use they provide a team passive.

 

Example: Play as Trinity the squad has passive heal, Valkyr Melee hit regen HP by x%, Elemental Warframes *Frost, Ember,Volt, ect* a X% of extra element damage, Ash provides melee damage, Neckros X% for the drop table to roll twice on a kill.

 

If Archwing passives were added then it gives a better reason to use a less defensive Warframe. What are your guys take on this subject.

[d1sc1p1e]

i haven't played much because of this. running around with a squishy, uber-offensive frame is totally viable everywhere except for Archwing missions.

[Shiro_Kisaragi]

Saryn.

[Xeo_Nespydonum]

DE should give all frames some sort of bonus while in archwing mode beyond their base stats.

[Jeigo]

The real issue here is that warframe base stats are hardly balanced. Archwing just makes it blatantly obvious because we dont get to use our standard abilities to compensate.

Edited October 31, 2014 by Jeigo

[JohnProdman]

Smaller, weaker frames are faster in Archwing missions.

[Octoknightx]

Smaller, weaker frames are faster in Archwing missions.

You poor fool.

Rhino Prime + Vangaurd helmet is Archwing master race

[Judgebanks]

Valkyr can obtain 5000 effective hp thanks to the extra armor from argon plating. Saryn has half of that.

[SWAT_Omega]

Valkyr can obtain 5000 effective hp thanks to the extra armor from argon plating. Saryn has half of that.

as true as it is, yes Valkyr does have Alot of HP but without a effective way to heal she is in the same boat as the Weaker defensive warframes, Thats why i suggest the passive system.

[Orbister]

I still would not use them, i love your idea but i think squishy frames need more in order to make them desirable for Archwing because right now they have nothing to compete against defensive frames choosing anything besides, rhino, frost, saryn, oberon, valkyr etc is just gimping yourself. I hope they fix this because its just bad design that you can't really choose your favorite frame because it implies a plain and irrefutable disadvantage right now.

[Judgebanks]

as true as it is, yes Valkyr does have Alot of HP but without a effective way to heal she is in the same boat as the Weaker defensive warframes, Thats why i suggest the passive system.

I wish that were true, but I've yet to be successful on any other frame other than valkyr on caleus, as she's the only frame that can recover from a missile hit.

 

As for healing you better have 100 medium team heals if you're doing harder content.

[Ditsydoo]

Zephyr with rejuvination works really well for the mission, plus its what protects you in archwing is mostly speed and evasive tactics. 

[SWAT_Omega]

The problem is it removes A LOT of warframes for Archwing Gameplay ( Ember, Volt, Nyx, Loki, Limbo, banshee, Mag, Mirage, Nekros, Nova, Trinity, Vauban) what is the benifit VS ( Rhino, Saryn, Valkyr, Frost, Zepher)

[MaverickZero]

I agree with the current Tanky vs. Squishy problem with Archwing. I'm not sure your suggestion fixes that entirely. It is also very difficult to apply to all Warframes. Ex. Vauban, Rhino, Limbo.

 

I've really lost most of my enthusiasm towards Archwing. It seems (to me) that the ideas behind Archwing are paper-thin while the technical aspect was great. A lot of time and effort went into Archwing but I'm really questioning the concepts it was built upon. Calling it half-baked is extremely generous at this point. I'm sure something will be done about it sooner or later.

 

That actually extends to Syndicates as well. The only difference is that the technical side is much worse. I hope this isn't becoming a trend. 

[Lost_Cartographer]

Basing archwing stats on Warframe stats was a mistake.  I get that DE wanted to maintain some rudimentary connection between Archwing and Warframe, but it's falling flat on it's face.  If we ever end up with hybrid missions, the issue will only become more troublesome.  Rhino is already the go-to frame, and with the way archwing scaling works, it would be even more so.

[BerelHawdos]

Basing archwing stats on Warframe stats was a mistake.  I get that DE wanted to maintain some rudimentary connection between Archwing and Warframe, but it's falling flat on it's face.  If we ever end up with hybrid missions, the issue will only become more troublesome.  Rhino is already the go-to frame, and with the way archwing scaling works, it would be even more so.

no it would be the birth of zephyr master race

[ShardsSuperior]

It'd make sense if the lighter armored warframes flew faster. Maybe it could be based on the inverse of armor?

But Valkyr gets the short end of the stick there.

 

I don't like the idea of stats being tied to the Archwing, though. It doesn't really make sense for me. After all, under just the Archwing on your back, it's your frame.

Maybe it'll be hard to give individual perks to frames, but I feel like this would be the best, most balanced option. Just the implementation is difficult.