The Lotus Knows, But She Won't Tell Us.

[Sitchrea]

((This has come from the ramblings of Forums user Sophronius and I))

 

Concerning the Old War, why do we have no memories?

 

Let's analyze the facts we have.

 

- Ordis asks if we have memories of the Old War, for his entry was misplaced/deleted.

 

- Mag Prime codex entry shows that the Tenno were well involved in the Old War

 

- Stalker codex entry tells of his witnessing us partaking in the Old War

 

- etc.

 

Now, who is the one person that most characters have in common, that every person the Tenno interacts with that was around during the Old War?

 

Answer: The Lotus

 

Whether she be an AI or a tangible person is irrelevant, the question is why does she not talk about the Old War at all? in fact, she hardly even talks about our past, and only points to our future. Why is this?

 

Hypothesis: The Lotus knows everything about the Old War, but will not tell us because we told her not to.

 

"Wait, what," you ask? Indeed, the theory suggests that the Lotus will not discuss our past because we chose to forget it.

 

We were told that our Cryosleep destroyed our memories, but how believable is that? Cryosleep is suspended animation, which means absolutely nothing can affect our body unless it is an outside stimuli; and while inside those Cryopods, I don;t think anyone could tamper with us without waking us up. Now what outside stimuli could affect us while we are sleeping without coming from outside the Cryopod?

 

Answer: The Lotus

 

She (It?) could access our Warframe's memory and delete it, all of it, making us forget who we were, what we were, and why we do what we do. Sound familiar?

 

Aren't those the exact same questions we have been asking since the first Tenno woke up?

 

Now the obvious next question is why would she do this? Well, as previously stated, we told her to.

 

Regardless of one's hypothesis of what the Orokin and Sentients were, it is clear that the Orokin were destroyed by the Tenno as seen in the Stalker's codex entry. Perhaps the Orokin were forced to create a super weapon to fight the Sentients - the Technocyte Virus. This virus' effects were twofold: when under control it showed white and pure, and was able to be wielded as a massive Bioweapon as well as an energy source. However when it grew out of control it grew orange and consumed energy rather than produce it.

 

This information on the Technocyte Virus can be seen in the difference between the white plants seen in the old Dojo sets and Orokin Towers - the plants are pure, white, and luminescent. However when in the Derelicts, the energy color is blue, with the full-blown infested ships being orange. Notice how the plants in the Derelicts also seem to have completely engulfed the energy tubes, seemingly feeding off of the power core?

 

Now back to the topic...

 

It is seen during Mirage's questline that *Spoiler* she was present during the original Mirage's last stand against the Sentients, as well as attempting to save her while imprisoned. However, it was clear that she held no memories of the events. Why would this be?

 

Well maybe it is bigger than my original hypothesis... Perhaps the Tenno told her to delete her own memories as well as ours.

 

Perhaps we killed the Orokin for their becoming corrupted, and chose to forget these memories. We did not wish to look back upon our deeds with regret, and did not wish to relive the terror of the Old War (As seen in Mirage's questline). Thus, we told the Lotus to delete our memories in Cryosleep - both the Tenno's, our Cephalon's and the Lotus', for we all wished to start afresh once we were called upon again in the far, far future.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Sitchrea

[Archistopheles]

Maybe because Tenno are power-hungry madmen who will kill each other for control over nodes with as little as a 20% increase in pistol affinity gain.

Pistol. Affinity. Gain.

[PookieNumnums]

your biggest flaw here is assuming our memories are accessable. people who suffer severe trauma can suffer amnesia. being frozen for a few thousand years may have corrupted whatever precious info was written into our memory. it is my assumption that the tenno still have brains, not hard drives. now.. it would seem that lotus is either accessing her own memories, or mirages. if its her own well that is another discussion. if its mirages memories, perhaps that is due to either lotus having some sort of insight into the mind and memory of tenno, or that she is was retrieving hard coded data out of the mirage parts / bp 

[Flareux]

[PookieNumnums]

oh yah and we stole the liset. we had no connection to it before the prologue.

 

and by prologue i mean npe 2.0

Edited November 1, 2014 by T4LCOMX

[gnat6]

Regardless of who it was you are definitely right about one thing the memory loss is not simply a case of amnesia that somehow affects every single tenno in the solar system someone or something has been working hard at erasing every single solid piece of information about the old war it can get its hands on and it seems to be able to access just about everything.

 

oh yah and we stole the liset. we had no connection to it before the prologue.

 

and by prologue i mean npe 2.0

That's not entirely correct as soon as you start hacking into it Ordis recognizes the tenno and is glad to see you and based on his dialog snippets it seems that he was used as a tenno ship before they went into cryosleep so there is some connection.

[Sitchrea]

Regardless of who it was you are definitely right about one thing the memory loss is not simply a case of amnesia that somehow affects every single tenno in the solar system someone or something has been working hard at erasing every single solid piece of information about the old war it can get its hands on and it seems to be able to access just about everything.

Our point exactly.

 

How could every Tenno in the entire system all suffer from the exact same level of Amnesia?

 

A likely story...

[PookieNumnums]

ordis refers to us as operator perhaps he just recognizes operators

 

and i nominate suda as a culprit for stealing our knows 

[PookieNumnums]

also arent all tenno brought out of cryosleep thousands of years after the war. thats how we all somehow dont remember.. 

[Sitchrea]

also arent all tenno brought out of cryosleep thousands of years after the war. thats how we all somehow dont remember.. 

But how do all Tenno have the exact same level of Amnesia at the exact same time, even the ones only just now waking up?

[Hypernaut1]

Lore wise, how many tenno are there suppose to be?

 

Will player hubs be part of the lore,  or just a game mechanic? Are Dojos part of the lore?

 

Personally, i feel like there are only suppose to be a few tenno- like less than 100.

[Blackout751]

Our point exactly.

 

How could every Tenno in the entire system all suffer from the exact same level of Amnesia?

 

A likely story...

 

That's the issue though. Only one Tenno has lost their memory - and it's you,

 

In-game, it's meant to be you who has lost their memory due to an early purge (information sourced from the Codex events section) and no-one else. It's why Vor's Prize makes no logical sense (a million Tenno waking up in exactly the same place fighting exactly the same Vor who says exactly the same things seems at least a little bit illogical). It's not meant to be EVERY Tenno who's lost their memory, it's just you.

 

The only reason why you can come to the conclusion that all Tenno are amnesiacs is because it'd be extremely impractical for DE to make every single tutorial unique, when at least several thousand played it.

[Sitchrea]

That's the issue though. Only one Tenno has lost their memory - and it's you,

 

In-game, it's meant to be you who has lost their memory due to an early purge (information sourced from the Codex events section) and no-one else. It's why Vor's Prize makes no logical sense (a million Tenno waking up in exactly the same place fighting exactly the same Vor who says exactly the same things seems at least a little bit illogical). It's not meant to be EVERY Tenno who's lost their memory, it's just you.

 

The only reason why you can come to the conclusion that all Tenno are amnesiacs is because it'd be extremely impractical for DE to make every single tutorial unique, when at least several thousand played it.

 

Well...

 

There are times when gamepley has to trump lore...