I Don't Know Where To Play Leeeemboh(!)

[ThePresident777]

Mine is level 16 with potatoe.  I'm not an expert yet, but, I get the basic picture, "Use the rift luke."  Read the abilities and as soon as I saw you need to cast at least 2 powers to get anything done, I though, "There isn't enough energy for this.  It's like accelerant.  'Nobody' uses it."  And, so, I don't know where to take him.  Took him to cerberus and it was a total fail.  There didn't see to be enough time or energy to go to rift, hit damage boost, invite unfriendlies to rift, kill unfriendlies.  Even in missiosn where I don't die constantly, all I do is shoot my gun with this Warframe.  Why do I have abilities?  The environment doesn't seem to care for them.  I'm sure I can use rift walk to revive if it wasn't me being the dieing one all the time.

 

No doubt I was doing it wrong.  I had no redirection.  The map is too huge.  But, even if I imagine doing it right, it just doesn't seem to work out for my glass-canon mindset.  Where do I go to destroy the world with Limbo?   What's his mission?  He plays like a shrinking pond.  I don't know what mission that is.

[Personwithhat]

I just dont like limbo , i haven't played him yet but this is my experience

 1: i play trinity so i give energy, if I dont limbo can't do crap and hes like :<

2. If i do give energy, limbo trolls with banish on me , or just does his seperate dimension sphere so i can't do crap anyway when we doing defence.

 

end result:doomed if i do, doomed if i dont XD

 

well limbo may be playable but as of now i just view him as troll.

[--Q--JoeTheBanshee]

Maximize duration, minimize range, profit.

 

Works best in excavation, defense, mobile defense, and rescue.

 

Protects pods, team members, and targets.

[Anatolius]

I havent gotten my Limbo yet but I would like to think that you could use Cataclysm and rift walk to shoot the enemies with the penta/Ogris from a pretty safe distance without fear of outsiders. Seems like a good defensive tactic.

 

Personally I always build for efficency

I will have to test my ideas later

[ThePresident777]

Max duration and min range makes sense to me.  But, is that all?  I just put a cocoon on stuff?

 

Don't see how you would use cataclysm and rift walk to shoot enemies at distance because cataclysm is centered on Limbo.  Could use banish and rift walk.  But, banish is single target and the range isn't long IIRC. 

 

And where do I go to get all this energy without blowing up platoons of enemy pixels first?  Seems like I'll need a million energy restores or a team of trinities for all these 2 or 3 ability combos, just o go toe to toe with HVTs in the middle of a battle field.  Meanwhile, everybody is hiding behind a crate pressing mouse 1 and key 4 and I'm wishing I was with them.

 

P.S.  Top Hat and The Tusker = WIN!

Edited November 4, 2014 by ThePresident777

[--Q--JoeTheBanshee]

Max duration and min range makes sense to me.  But, is that all?  I just put a cocoon on stuff?

 

Don't see how you would use cataclysm and rift walk to shoot enemies at distance because cataclysm is centered on Limbo.  Could use banish and rift walk.  But, banish is single target and the range isn't long IIRC.  And where do I go to get all this energy without blowing up platoons of enemy pixels first?  Seems like I'll need a million energy restores or a team of trinities for all these 2 or 3 ability combos.

 

P.S.  Top Hat and The Tusker = WIN!

He gets plenty of energy if you Rift Walk often and remember to pick up orbs. It's really not an issue at all. But overall yes, you protect stuff. He's mainly used to protect targets or single out tougher enemies and deal with them one-on-one in the rift world.

[ThePresident777]

Why would I want to take the time and energy to use Cataclysm or Riftwalk, then possibly Banish, then possibly Rift Surge when I can use Smoke Bomb, Invisibility, Radial Blind, or perhaps something else, to do the same thing faster or cheaper or better or for more fun?  As far as I can tell, the conditions that make Limbo function either don't exist in Warframe, or ruin the game for me.  I'm honestly trying to find a situation where it's impressive, to me.  Maybe someone can open my eyes here?

 

Maybe it's worth it against bosses?  Does Riftwalk work against Zanuka, G3, or Stalker?  Can you Banish them?

 

Maybe this is a tangent, but, if Limbo is primarily an Anti-Boss game play then that presents the problem of leveling him up.  You have to slog through hordes, not really using him for what he's worth, just to get the ability to use him for what he is worth.  In my opinion, I don't think I want to put myself through that.  And then how often are you going to use him?  As a new player, anti-boss capability would be of most use because you would be farming bosses a lot for Warframe part BPs.  But, a new player is unlikely to know this and spend the time in archwing to get limbo to then farm all the other Warframes.  So, I'm not sure about Limbo as anti-boss Warframe from this angle either.  Even if he's good against bosses, by the time you get him, he might not get much mileage out of him.  It might not be worth it.  Doesn't seem like it to me.  Is there any evidence to the contrary?

 

Even protecting pods with Cataclysm seems off because if the enemy DPS is that high then you want to protect yourself too.  But, you can't shoot out from Cataclysm without using Banish on each and every enemy.  That does not work in Horde game play.  It's too slow.  The Horde itself is the enemy, like a Hydra.  You have to cut off all the heads to win.  You gain nothing just cutting off the biggest heads if you can't cut off all of them.  But, Limbo powers only help you cut off a few heads at a time.  It's too slow, at least with guns.

 

I think abilities will affect enemies outside the rift.  But, then you need the energy and range to make this work.  These are two severe restrictions on abilities.  You can't pickup energy orbs while in the rift.  And if you are in Cataclysm, then you have to leave it to get energy.  Can you even leave the rift if Limbo banishes you?  If Limbo Banishes players but not enemies then how is the mission going to succeed and how are we going to play the game?

 

And Banish has limited range, 35+m max rank and modded, so you don't have much if any distance game play with it either.  It's not good for sniping.  It's nearly impossible to aim it in a crowd.  You don't have a range finder.  These factors make it too clunky to use at the Alamo.  You're more likely to banish a private than a lieutenant in a mob.  Cataclysm has an even shorter range.  Slow, short range game play is what Limbo looks like to me.

 

How about nightmare mode?  Well, it appears very limited to me there too.  Without energy, it doesn't work so that's one NM challenge down the drain for Limbo.  And, you can't choose your nightmare mode challenge so why bother?

 

I like to play a fast glass canon, in coop, against hordes.  I don't think that is what Limbo is about at all.  So, where do I use Limbo?  I just don't see a use for him.  Even if he's just not my kind of play style, I'm having trouble seeing what he actually does let alone what he does well. 

 

Let's try to calculate our way through this problem.  Let's try to be specific.  I'll keep it simple, but, it outlines the problem.

 

Min rank Banish, Rift Surge, and Rift Walk have a 10s duration.  I assume that Banish has no casting time because I am not aware of one specifically.  I cast Rift Walk and then Banish so that I have 10s to make use of it.  At the cost of 40 energy which is probably a lot if I have both abilities at rank 1.  I'm not sure if that is even possible in the new system.  But, let's continue.

 

To get my 40 energy worth out of this combo, I have to kill something valuable in 10 seconds.  If it's a mook, then my effort is wasted.  Either my team killed tons of mooks in the time it took me to kill 1 or I'm swarmed when Rift Walk ends and I die, possibly wasting revive or mission fails.  This also assumes that i have a good reason for this combo.  Which, I'm not sure I do, but, let's continue.

 

What could be worth killing in 10 seconds?  What lasts 10 seconds?  DPS x Time = Damage.  When Damage = Defense, then, the target is destroyed.  If I have 1k, 10k, 20k, or 30k DPS, then, respectively, I can kill a 10k, 100k, 200k, or 300k defense target in 10s.  Using Rift Surge's 300% damage multiplier, I can kill targets with 3 times the amount of defense, in the same amount of time; 30k, 300k, 600k, or 900k defense in 10s.  What has 10k defense in warframe? 900k?  What level is it?  How many hours do I have to wait for it to spawn?  What level are the rest of the mobs?  What are their defenses like?  Can the rest of the team handle them?  What offense does the target have?  How much defense do I need to survive 10s against that target?  Will I be swarmed when Riftwalk ends?  I just don't see the picture here.

 

What about modded maxed rank Limbo abilities?  Right now, my Limbo has +130% duration bonus from Narrow Minded Continuity, and ... I forgot the name of the other duration mod.  (Constitution?)  Getting more would be prohibitively expensive for now.  So, I think +130% duration bonus is a more reasonable goal for most veterans, I think.  I'm not the most persistent farmer out there.  So, let's work with it.

 

Max rank Banish and Rift Surge both last 50s, so they'll last 115 seconds via +130% duration bonus.  In 115s, using Rift Surge, wielding 1k, 10, 20k, 30k DPS, you can destroy targets having 345k, 3.45M, 6.9M, 10.35M defense, respectively.  But, I still have the same open questions.  What Level is this enemy?  Where does it spawn?  How long do I have to wait?  What is it's offense?   How much defense do I need?  Is that even possible?  Etc.

 

I still don't know what I'm fighting with Limbo, where, why, or how long it takes to spawn.  After having actually used Limbo, I'm not closer to finding these answers even though some have tried to help me here.  I get the gist of Limbo, but, I don't see it happening well if at all.

[GideonG]

Why would I want to take the time and energy to use Cataclysm or Riftwalk, then possibly Banish, then possibly Rift Surge when I can use Smoke Bomb, Invisibility, Radial Blind, or perhaps something else, to do the same thing faster or cheaper or better or for more fun?  As far as I can tell, the conditions that make Limbo function either don't exist in Warframe, or ruin the game for me.  I'm honestly trying to find a situation where it's impressive, to me.  Maybe someone can open my eyes here?

 

Maybe it's worth it against bosses?  Does Riftwalk work against Zanuka, G3, or Stalker?  Can you Banish them?

 

Unfortunately, no.

 

Maybe this is a tangent, but, if Limbo is primarily an Anti-Boss game play then that presents the problem of leveling him up.  You have to slog through hordes, not really using him for what he's worth, just to get the ability to use him for what he is worth.  In my opinion, I don't think I want to put myself through that.  And then how often are you going to use him?  As a new player, anti-boss capability would be of most use because you would be farming bosses a lot for Warframe part BPs.  But, a new player is unlikely to know this and spend the time in archwing to get limbo to then farm all the other Warframes.  So, I'm not sure about Limbo as anti-boss Warframe from this angle either.  Even if he's good against bosses, by the time you get him, he might not get much mileage out of him.  It might not be worth it.  Doesn't seem like it to me.  Is there any evidence to the contrary?

 

He's not an anti-boss frame. His abilities can't be used against bosses. They are really only effective at high-level defense or survival missions where you banish Ancients and Heavy Gunners. Where you can use the boost from Rift Surge to actually be more effiicient at killing those enemies, while separating them from the group.

 

Even protecting pods with Cataclysm seems off because if the enemy DPS is that high then you want to protect yourself too.  But, you can't shoot out from Cataclysm without using Banish on each and every enemy.  That does not work in Horde game play.  It's too slow.  The Horde itself is the enemy, like a Hydra.  You have to cut off all the heads to win.  You gain nothing just cutting off the biggest heads if you can't cut off all of them.  But, Limbo powers only help you cut off a few heads at a time.  It's too slow, at least with guns.

 

Cataclysm with +Duration -Range used for protecting the pod is about the best use I've found for it. It makes it small enough to keep you out of it, allowing you to Rift Walk in order to separate high priotity targets out., while keeping the pod inside of it to prevent ranges enemies from damaging it.

 

I think abilities will affect enemies outside the rift.  But, then you need the energy and range to make this work.  These are two severe restrictions on abilities.  You can't pickup energy orbs while in the rift.  And if you are in Cataclysm, then you have to leave it to get energy.  Can you even leave the rift if Limbo banishes you?  If Limbo Banishes players but not enemies then how is the mission going to succeed and how are we going to play the game?

 

Yes, abilities do work on enemies outside the Rift. However, this is not confirmed as a feature. No, you can't leave the Rift unless Limbo uses Banish on you again or wait until it wears off. You do regenerate energy at a faster rate in the Rift, which isn't stated in any of his abilities. It's decent if someone is out of energy, and banishing a weak CC frame (Vauban for instance) can allow them to regenerate energy while still using their skills.

 

And Banish has limited range, 35+m max rank and modded, so you don't have much if any distance game play with it either.  It's not good for sniping.  It's nearly impossible to aim it in a crowd.  You don't have a range finder.  These factors make it too clunky to use at the Alamo.  You're more likely to banish a private than a lieutenant in a mob.  Cataclysm has an even shorter range.  Slow, short range game play is what Limbo looks like to me.

 

How about nightmare mode?  Well, it appears very limited to me there too.  Without energy, it doesn't work so that's one NM challenge down the drain for Limbo.  And, you can't choose your nightmare mode challenge so why bother?

 

I like to play a fast glass canon, in coop, against hordes.  I don't think that is what Limbo is about at all.  So, where do I use Limbo?  I just don't see a use for him.  Even if he's just not my kind of play style, I'm having trouble seeing what he actually does let alone what he does well. 

 

He's primarily more useful on high-level Defense, Mobile Defense, and Survival missions.

 

Let's try to calculate our way through this problem.  Let's try to be specific.  I'll keep it simple, but, it outlines the problem.

 

Min rank Banish, Rift Surge, and Rift Walk have a 10s duration.  I assume that Banish has no casting time because I am not aware of one specifically.  I cast Rift Walk and then Banish so that I have 10s to make use of it.  At the cost of 40 energy which is probably a lot if I have both abilities at rank 1.  I'm not sure if that is even possible in the new system.  But, let's continue.

 

To get my 40 energy worth out of this combo, I have to kill something valuable in 10 seconds.  If it's a mook, then my effort is wasted.  Either my team killed tons of mooks in the time it took me to kill 1 or I'm swarmed when Rift Walk ends and I die, possibly wasting revive or mission fails.  This also assumes that i have a good reason for this combo.  Which, I'm not sure I do, but, let's continue.

 

What could be worth killing in 10 seconds?  What lasts 10 seconds?  DPS x Time = Damage.  When Damage = Defense, then, the target is destroyed.  If I have 1k, 10k, 20k, or 30k DPS, then, respectively, I can kill a 10k, 100k, 200k, or 300k defense target in 10s.  Using Rift Surge's 300% damage multiplier, I can kill targets with 3 times the amount of defense, in the same amount of time; 30k, 300k, 600k, or 900k defense in 10s.  What has 10k defense in warframe? 900k?  What level is it?  How many hours do I have to wait for it to spawn?  What level are the rest of the mobs?  What are their defenses like?  Can the rest of the team handle them?  What offense does the target have?  How much defense do I need to survive 10s against that target?  Will I be swarmed when Riftwalk ends?  I just don't see the picture here.

 

Again, primarily Rift Surge and Banish only shine against very high level targets, where the +Damage you get from Rift Surge can actually save your team time on killing high HP targets (Ancient and Heavy Gunners).

 

What about modded maxed rank Limbo abilities?  Right now, my Limbo has +130% duration bonus from Narrow Minded Continuity, and ... I forgot the name of the other duration mod.  (Constitution?)  Getting more would be prohibitively expensive for now.  So, I think +130% duration bonus is a more reasonable goal for most veterans, I think.  I'm not the most persistent farmer out there.  So, let's work with it.

 

Max rank Banish and Rift Surge both last 50s, so they'll last 115 seconds via +130% duration bonus.  In 115s, using Rift Surge, wielding 1k, 10, 20k, 30k DPS, you can destroy targets having 345k, 3.45M, 6.9M, 10.35M defense, respectively.  But, I still have the same open questions.  What Level is this enemy?  Where does it spawn?  How long do I have to wait?  What is it's offense?   How much defense do I need?  Is that even possible?  Etc.

 

I still don't know what I'm fighting with Limbo, where, why, or how long it takes to spawn.  After having actually used Limbo, I'm not closer to finding these answers even though some have tried to help me here.  I get the gist of Limbo, but, I don't see it happening well if at all.

 

I tried to respond where I could. Finding practical uses for Limbo is tough. He's really only going to shine in high-level missions at this point. He has some very niche "uses" which require a very specific team set-up, VOIP, and specific modding to open up some unique game play options. However, even those seem to require more work than what you actually get out of it in efficiency.

 

He's a very unique frame with some intersting concepts. I'm sure (hope) they'll be adjusting his abilities soon, but until then, most other frames perform the same tasks much more easily and efficiently.

Edited November 4, 2014 by GideonG

[fractal_magnets]

Limbo is a chore...

Which is fine...

For some people.

>___>

[ThePresident777]

OK, he's level 24 now.  I have him fitted with Energy Siphon 5, Narrow Minded 7, Constitution 3, Continuity 5, Intensity 5, Streamline 5, Flow 5, Marathon 5.  Basically, stay in Rift and spam Banish.  Kill stuff with gun.  Blink in and out to get loot.  The energy regen is good enough in Rift to sustain Banish usage.  Banish is strong enough to one shot most level 23 Grineer.  This works well in capture too.  My range is terrible so I have to run up to everything I want to Banish.  It's basically a weapon dependent assassin type.

[GideonG]

OK, he's level 24 now.  I have him fitted with Energy Siphon 5, Narrow Minded 7, Constitution 3, Continuity 5, Intensity 5, Streamline 5, Flow 5, Marathon 5.  Basically, stay in Rift and spam Banish.  Kill stuff with gun.  Blink in and out to get loot.  The energy regen is good enough in Rift to sustain Banish usage.  Banish is strong enough to one shot most level 23 Grineer.  This works well in capture too.  My range is terrible so I have to run up to everything I want to Banish.  It's basically a weapon dependent assassin type.

 

It's easier to just press the left mouse button usually, unfortunately. lol

[ThePresident777]

I know it's often easier to press left mouse than do the leeeemboh.  That's one reason why I don't know where to play Limbo.  I get the gist of what he is about now.  But at what level does he matter?  What mission, faction, etc. I think you guys are right when you say he's for high level play.  I'm guessing wading into Pluto and T4 mobs is a good start once you have him suffiiciently modded.

 

I'm not asking to change Limbo.  I'm just trying to figure him out. 

 

Other Warframes show their use from the start, ex. Volt's Shock, Mag's Pull, Excalibur's Slash Dash.  Then they get powers that reinforce this.  They don't take you out of the fight as much as they win fights, against hordes.  Limbo takes you out of the fight and lets you turn a hordefest into an intimate one on one.  That is a new concept for Warframe.  It's like Limbo is the Dark Souls Warframe, heheh.

[--Q--JoeTheBanshee]

I know it's often easier to press left mouse than do the leeeemboh.  That's one reason why I don't know where to play Limbo.  I get the gist of what he is about now.  But at what level does he matter?  What mission, faction, etc. I think you guys are right when you say he's for high level play.  I'm guessing wading into Pluto and T4 mobs is a good start once you have him suffiiciently modded.

 

I'm not asking to change Limbo.  I'm just trying to figure him out. 

 

Other Warframes show their use from the start, ex. Volt's Shock, Mag's Pull, Excalibur's Slash Dash.  Then they get powers that reinforce this.  They don't take you out of the fight as much as they win fights, against hordes.  Limbo takes you out of the fight and lets you turn a hordefest into an intimate one on one.  That is a new concept for Warframe.  It's like Limbo is the Dark Souls Warframe, heheh.

He's very good in Excavation, Rescue, and Defense missions. Pair him with a Vauban for the best results.

[ThePresident777]

He's level 29 now.  I reconfigured him for damage and range and I prefer it over the max duration build.  I swapped out Narrow Minded for Blind Rage and added Stretch.  Need range on Banish because getting to enemies to stab or shotgun them in the face takes to much time.  And extra damage saves you the time to shoot or stab them.  It's basically a walk in The Rift casting Banish one target at a time.  If it doesn't kill them, then gun or beat them down.  He shines in no shields or energy drain nightmare mode.

 

Tried soloing an interception with him and I almost failed.  It's slow going casting Banish on hordes.  I didn't do cataclysm because it's static and lingers for too long in this situation.  It would leave me exposed to too many bullets for too long if it doesn't kill everything.

 

Luckily, a rhino came along just in the nick of time and stomped everything to death, so the mission succeeded.

Edited November 6, 2014 by ThePresident777