The New Powers By Level Thing...

[Llyssa]

I understand part of the reasoning behind it, but the new powers gained by level thing is disheartening when trying a new frame.

 

I'm not quite sure why the dev team thinks that everyone wants the enforced "try things as a newbie", but some frames really aren't newbie friendly.

 

Limbo, for example, has terrible stats, and his first power is terribly mediocre in the context of having no mods and no other options. Cushioned with, y'know, all that stuff I've spent time building up on my other frames, he'd be not so bad. However, thrown out there raw, he's horrid.

 

It would make the most sense to me if all of the powers were unlocked by default, as I've been building frames that way for over a year.

 

If that isn't feasible, it seems like installing a reactor should lower the unlock levels of powers, and perhaps increase the speed at which the maximum becomes available. This would allow the team to keep some of the "unlock it as you go" thing that they really like for whatever reason, and would allow those of us who REALLY disagree with it to get through it as quickly as possible.

 

The current methodology is highly unpleasant, and I'd like as little to do with it as possible.

[Archistopheles]

Limbo's rank 0 banish was one-shotting everything on Earth missions.

[Kalenath]

Limbo's rank 0 banish was one-shotting everything on Earth missions.

 

Not powerful enough.

 

Needz moar creep!

[Mokkania]

just passing by, I'll comment later maybe

 

I'm not quite sure why the dev team thinks that everyone wants the enforced "try things as a newbie"

there is something wrong here

[Kestral9999]

Not powerful enough.

 

Needz moar creep!

Moar crepe!

[unknow99]

Hey I can use psychic bolts without any regrets now.

[unknow99]

Moar crepe!

Here you go.

 

 

Raah you made me hungry again!

Edited November 4, 2014 by unknow99

[LukeAura]

I was thinking the same thing actually. 
A single target skill even if it can kill on mercury for Limbo a squishy frame already is....pretty lacklustre compared to every other frame's first ability except maybe Trinity.

I'd say the first two skills should be unranked by default, that gives every frame enough versatility to get through a mission.
 

[Macdermott]

Hey I can use psychic bolts without any regrets now.

That was what I thought too hehehe.

[CelsiusPrime]

I understand part of the reasoning behind it, but the new powers gained by level thing is disheartening when trying a new frame.

 

It would make the most sense to me if all of the powers were unlocked by default, as I've been building frames that way for over a year.

 

 

My limbo is almost out of the oven and this have been a big concern for me. I used to throw on a aura mod that matched and would be able to have all my abilities (and even some of them ranked ) and then go to mercury exterm and try it out.

 

but now I can't do that. I'll be stuck with one single power that works really good with he's other abilities but you can't now.

 

Imagine if you just got ember and accelerant was the first ability available for you. ( i know, just imagine)

 

now think about what it would be like to try that out as a newb and think, why is my caster frame that's all about damage just have a stun. (maybe you have a fire damage mod, maybe you don't)

 

now  imagine that same scenario in the old way, and realize you still have accelerant, but now you have fireball and fireblast to compliment that and work together to feel like an awesome powerful warframe.

 

see the difference?

[direcyphre]

Limbo isn't really obtainable for newbies in the first place, so that is sort of a bad example. Also not entirely sure, but has it beena  year since we've had aura slots that provided starting mod points? Otherwise we all started with no abilities at any earlier part of playing this game. It's not even remotely a huge deal to have to wait a level or two before unlocking abilities.

[Tveoh]

.....

 

 

Right then...   First off.  Limbo bad choice to use in this.  Given you need to be at least mastery rank 2 to even beable to gain him, unless you buy them through plat.   This is cause.  You can't do any archwing quest missions till you hit MR 2.    So there really is no "try things as a newbie"  with him, unless you bought him with Plat.     

 

Secondly...

 

The ranking of abilities by level, I don't see a problem with it in the slightest..    When just starting out, and if you actively take part in the mission, you should have your second ability unlocked by the end of that very first mission.   Unless you just rush that is, and avoid everything.  

 

Going back to Limbo though.   Banish even unranked is useful as both damage and just. crowd control.    To many people around.  banish few.    If they die from the cast awesome..   If not, after you take care of the guys friends, and the others come back from the rift, shoot them in the face cavity and your problem is over.   Not all frames are meant to be used right out the start. Frames are locked behind quests, or bosses for both content reasons, and cause of how other frames need to approach the game different, and its better to have an understanding of how the game works, the enemies function etc etc before getting these other Frames.  

 

other then that.  My Brain is hurting,   So all leave with.

 

Stop trying to face tank everything with squishy frames, like caster or support types.  You don't have the ability to do that even when modded with hp armor or shied mods. just doesn't give you enough boost to face tank everything.   be mobile, use cover, and know that.. Bullets and lasers Hurt...

Edited November 4, 2014 by Tveoh

[CelsiusPrime]

Otherwise we all started with no abilities at any earlier part of playing this game. It's not even remotely a huge deal to have to wait a level or two before unlocking abilities.

 

ah but here's the difference, in the old style you can have most of your abilities by level 5-10.  assuming that the frames level abilities at the same rate as archwings (I haven't leveled any frames in the new systems so this is what I'm basing this off of. let me know if I'm wrong) it will take you till level 10 to get your first rank in your first ability and have an unranked second ability. 

 

this still ends up being a worse event than before.

[Azawarau]

I dont mind it either way personally

[CelsiusPrime]

.....

 

 

Right then...   First off.  Limbo bad choice to use in this.  Given you need to be at least mastery rank 2 to even beable to gain him, unless you buy them through plat.   This is cause.  You can't do any archwing quest missions till you hit MR 2.    So there really is no "try things as a newbie"  with him, unless you bought him with Plat.     

 

 

 

considering mod drops, (i say this as  a MR 17 person but I could guess) I would say your a newbie until MR 4 or 5 mostly cause at that point you are just starting to get some of the better weapons and experience of how to really play warframe. at MR2 and 3 you just have your braton, maybe one other secondary, and probably a few melees

[Satinpuppies]

It really is fine, you level as you go and you get more abilities in mission. Besides isn't that the point of leveling a warframe? It's supposed to be weak and you are making it more and more powerful.? I for one think it's dumb that some frames before could put their 4th ability on and just power level so fast from like level 2. I prefer it this way, it actually feels rewarding leveling up a frame without spamming 4 at everything.

[LukeAura]

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Right then...   First off.  Limbo bad choice to use in this.  Given you need to be at least mastery rank 2 to even beable to gain him, unless you buy them through plat.   This is cause.  You can't do any archwing quest missions till you hit MR 2.    So there really is no "try things as a newbie"  with him, unless you bought him with Plat.     

 

other then that.  My Brain is hurting,   So all leave with.

 

Stop trying to face tank everything with squishy frames, like caster or support types.  You don't have the ability to do that even when modded with hp armor or shied mods. just doesn't give you enough boost to face tank everything.   be mobile, use cover, and know that.. Bullets and lasers Hurt...

I think you misunderstand the point. 

"Try things as a newbie" Means for high mastery rank players to be forced to using just one ability, when with an aura, and reactor, a Frame could equip them all at max rank by level 5 if they so chose. It also meant the frame was more useful for running content while still levelling it.

In order to have a properly powered frame players must wait until they start ranking out their abilities in the late twenties, when a smart and skilled player could have done the same earlier on by adjusting and carefully building their mod loadout in the old system.

It's less efficient as it is now. 

 

[Llyssa]

Limbo isn't really obtainable for newbies in the first place, so that is sort of a bad example. Also not entirely sure, but has it beena  year since we've had aura slots that provided starting mod points? Otherwise we all started with no abilities at any earlier part of playing this game. It's not even remotely a huge deal to have to wait a level or two before unlocking abilities.

Auras have been mod cards since update 9. Released july 13th of last year. So it's been 1.3 years. Yes.

 

EDIT: Also, Limbo isn't really obtainable to newbies, so that makes him an AWESOME example.

 

Everyone should have mods and so forth by the time they get ahold of limbo. Therefore, there's *no* reason we should have to experience him "like a newb" unlocking one power at a time, slowly, as we go. We get the idea, everyone able to get him has either spent a nice chunk of plat to get him or has completed a remarkable amount of the game.

 

I can see how the process unfolding for newbie frames makes sense, but for more difficult to acquire ones, it's kind of lame.

Edited November 4, 2014 by Llyssa