Please, For The Love Of God, Let Us Migrate From Pc To Ps4 As Well Again!

[r0ckwolf]

I beg you DE,

you must realize that there are tons of people who have missed the very small first time window where this was possible and since you are currently doing it on Xbox One, it should be possible on PS4 as well.

 

[Letter13]

Pretty sure the answer is no due to contractual reasons. Sorry.

 

We had our chance, just like how XB1 players are getting their chance.

[AM-Bunny]

I'm pretty surprised that it isn't as well. It was only a few short months ago that it was offered last, but I was under the impression that the PS4 and Xbone builds were perfectly in sync, which would make you think it should be equally possible on both.

 

That being said, I have really no idea the mechanics behind migration, so I don't understand why you can't migrate any time you wish, instead of dealing with this "one week" window nonsense.

 

 

EDIT:

Pretty sure the answer is no due to contractual reasons. Sorry.

 

We had our chance, just like how XB1 players are getting their chance.

 

 

I would *love* to know what you are basing this off of, because it sounds positively ridiculous to me.

 

They never once said it was a one time offer, just that they weren't sure when it would be possible again. They claimed that Sony has been nothing but supportive of migration, and even supported cross-play back when that was thought to be possible. Any limitations are on DE's end, not some contractual restriction from Sony. 

Edited November 5, 2014 by AM-Bunny

[r0ckwolf]

Pretty sure the answer is no due to contractual reasons. Sorry.

 

We had our chance, just like how XB1 players are getting their chance.

well... that´s the thing, isn´t it! There´re a bunch of people who didn´t have the chance for various reasons. It would be very unfair and unpleasant for them to learn that it´s never gonna be possible again!

[Imaru]

I think that the ability to move accounts to PS4 from PC is less reliant on DE than Sony. I think that DE needs Sony's go ahead before they can start a migration, and that doesn't seem to be in the cards right now (if ever again).

[armedpoop]

Im sure itll happen again sometime down the road. Who knows when? They never once said that it was a one time only thing.

[Letter13]

I'm pretty surprised that it isn't as well. It was only a few short months ago that it was offered last, but I was under the impression that the PS4 and Xbone builds were perfectly in sync, which would make you think it should be equally possible on both.

 

That being said, I have really no idea the mechanics behind migration, so I don't understand why you can't migrate any time you wish, instead of dealing with this "one week" window nonsense.

Technically we *can* migrate at any time. DE has a script working that allows migrations no matter the difference in builds.

 

 

I would *love* to know what you are basing this off of, because it sounds positively ridiculous to me.

They never once said it was a one time offer, just that they weren't sure when it would be possible again. They claimed that Sony has been nothing but supportive of migration, and even supported cross-play back when that was thought to be possible

Probably the same contract(s) that prevents PS4 (and XB1) players from migrating to PC. Basically Sony gets a cut of all PSN-store bought platinum, prime access, etc. If people transfer over lots of gear and prime access items from PC, then it means they're much, MUCH less likely to purchase platinum (for gear/slots/cosmetics) or prime access from the PSN store, thereby resulting in a loss of profits.

Sony is in the business of making money. Allowing PC to PS4 migration results in less players spending money, so it's not in Sony's best interests. And if something isn't in their interest, they're obviously going to try to prevent it or limit it... in this case it's likely that in the migration contract they established with DE they added a clause saying that the time window to allow migrations would be limited.

 

Any limitations are on DE's end, not some contractual restriction from Sony.

I would love to see your citations/source for this claim of yours.

 

 

I think that the ability to move accounts to PS4 from PC is less reliant on DE than Sony.

Whether it's more reliant on DE or not... on the topic of PS4 to PC migrations:

This will never happen for contractual reasons, sorry :(.

[AM-Bunny]

Probably the same contract(s) that prevents PS4 (and XB1) players from migrating to PC. Basically Sony gets a cut of all PSN-store bought platinum, prime access, etc. If people transfer over lots of gear and prime access items from PC, then it means they're much, MUCH less likely to purchase platinum (for gear/slots/cosmetics) or prime access from the PSN store, thereby resulting in a loss of profits.

 

Sony is in the business of making money. Allowing PC to PS4 migration results in less players spending money, so it's not in Sony's best interests. And if something isn't in their interest, they're obviously going to try to prevent it or limit it... in this case it's likely that in the migration contract they established with DE they added a clause saying that the time window to allow migrations would be limited.

 

Ridiculous.

 

Migrating from PS4 to PC is contractually limited, but the opposite is entirely different. Sony will make much less money from players who never play at all because they were unable to migrate. 

 

The very fact that Rebecca was so quick to mention contractual obligations making it impossible for PS4->PC conversion, but have never once hinted at this for PC->PS4 should speak volumes.

[Letter13]

Ridiculous.

 

Migrating from PS4 to PC is contractually limited, but the opposite is entirely different. Sony will make much less money from players who never play at all because they were unable to migrate. 

 

The very fact that Rebecca was so quick to mention contractual obligations making it impossible for PS4->PC conversion, but have never once hinted at this for PC->PS4 should speak volumes.

You're using the absence of evidence as the evidence of absence. Which is even more ridiculous.

 

I'm suggesting the possibility that there are contractual obligations that are preventing migration from being available again, and that these contractual obligations are likely due to the fact that migrations result in lost profits for Sony.

 

This is a case of Devil's Proof; evidence is required to prove it, but the lack of evidence fails to disprove it.

 

I'm also still waiting on you to cite your source on how migrations being a limited time is entirely DE's decision and has nothing to do with Sony or contractual obligations.

[(PSN)M0v1ng_T4RG3T_-]

Pretty sure the answer is no due to contractual reasons. Sorry.

 

We had our chance, just like how XB1 players are getting their chance.

Copy/Paste DERebbeca from the ps4 to pc transfer lol

[(PSN)M0v1ng_T4RG3T_-]

I'm pretty surprised that it isn't as well. It was only a few short months ago that it was offered last, but I was under the impression that the PS4 and Xbone builds were perfectly in sync, which would make you think it should be equally possible on both.

That being said, I have really no idea the mechanics behind migration, so I don't understand why you can't migrate any time you wish, instead of dealing with this "one week" window nonsense.

EDIT

I would *love* to know what you are basing this off of, because it sounds positively ridiculous to me.

They never once said it was a one time offer, just that they weren't sure when it would be possible again. They claimed that Sony has been nothing but supportive of migration, and even supported cross-play back when that was thought to be possible. Any limitations are on DE's end, not some contractual restriction from Sony.

Agree lol bc we have the same patch build. What makes them possible for them and not us?

Edited November 5, 2014 by (PS4)M0v1ng_T4RG3T_-

[AM-Bunny]

I'm also still waiting on you to cite your source on how migrations being a limited time is entirely DE's decision and has nothing to do with Sony or contractual obligations.

 

Ugh... well I can't be bothered to dig too deeply when you've offered nothing concrete yourself, but here's a few morsels.

 

, among multiple other times, they mentioned the builds being in sync being the largest (only?) limitation to account migration.

 

This is an early quote from Steve demonstrating that Sony has no problems with any of it

[Creative Director Steve Sinclair] told Sony at the show that he wanted Warframe to be updated every week or two weeks, and that players would be able to team up with PC users using cross-platform. They agreed no questions asked. It surprised Sinclair as he initially feared there would be many political hurdles blocking his team’s ambition, particularly when cross-play was concerned. It was a non-issue for Sony

 

I could understand them being reluctant to saying "we can't do it because Sony wants money" because that would be poor form. However, that did not stop them from immediately disconfirming PS4->PC migration, so yes, I think the absence of proof here speaks volumes, as I said.

[Letter13]

, among multiple other times, they mentioned the builds being in sync being the largest (only?) limitation to account migration.

Originally that was the case, but Sheldon designed a script later on that allowed migrations regardless of build sync, which was announced in a livestream as well as here on the forums. Said script was ready long before migration for PC -> PS4 went live, and the delays to migration were said to be due to negotiations with Sony.

 

So no, build version doesn't really play into the reason as to why it was time limited. This indicates that it was time limited for some other reason. Additionally, the delay between the migration script being ready and the actual migration date due to negotiations with Sony indicates that DE may have wanted one thing, but Sony wanted another; I'm not saying this is the case, but it's likely that in order to come to an agreement to allow account migration, Sony insisted that DE only allow account migration for a short window (in addition to PC-exclusive items and platinum not being transferred). For such a large delay to occur due to negotiations shows that Sony was probably not 100% on board with every single thing that DE wanted to do.

 

Build versions/differences do however prevent cross-play. Were the builds in sync then cross-play would be possible.

[Grrbacca]

So if I buy a PS4 this Christmas, I will never be able to migrate my account from PC...that seems a little crazy and bad for business.  I also don't understand how the blunt "it won't happen you missed your chance" comments come from...That is a pretty concrete statement that has no proof either way.  I think DE needs to give a definite answer, because it is a pretty important thing.

[AM-Bunny]

Originally that was the case, but Sheldon designed a script later on that allowed migrations regardless of build sync, which was announced in a livestream as well as here on the forums. Said script was ready long before migration for PC -> PS4 went live.

 

So no, build version doesn't really play into the reason as to why it was time limited. This indicates that it was time limited for some other reason.

 

Build versions/differences do however prevent cross-play. Were the builds in sync then cross-play would be possible.

 

Okay, I'm not trying to be hostile, but I would like to see a source, because this is news to me. Could you bother to point it out for me?

 

So far, both times migration has been made available is when the builds are very close (since Update 15 is confirmed to be out on consoles in a few weeks, I assume the build is already completed and just awaiting "certification" or whatnot).

[DarkLordX2]

ಠ_ಠ

 

Everyday i log in the Forums, i see a thread about someone asking for an account Migration to PS4...

 

It's was a limited time opportunity, i don't see the reason of making thread everyday.

 

My answer will be the same...

 

It might come back.

Edited November 5, 2014 by DarkLordX2

[Letter13]

Okay, I'm not trying to be hostile, but I would like to see a source, because this is news to me. Could you bother to point it out for me?

 

So far, both times migration has been made available is when the builds are very close (since Update 15 is confirmed to be out on consoles in a few weeks, I assume the build is already completed and just awaiting "certification" or whatnot).

 

Devstream 24:

Rebecca: The last time we commented on Account Migration we said that it was in the final stages of going live, where are we at now?

Sheldon: It works BUT it needs approval from Sony. We're waiting.

 

Devstream 21:

Sheldon: Right around the corner is going to be Migration. The last few bugs are being ironed out. I’m referring to being able to do that before the builds are in-sync.

[DarkLordX2]

Quote

 

Rebecca: The last time we commented on Account Migration we said that it was in the final stages of going live, where are we at now?

Sheldon: It works BUT it needs approval from Sony. We're waiting.

This ^

 

DE can't allow the migration unless Sony give them the approval, it's not something DE can do everytime.

[AM-Bunny]

ಠ_ಠ

 

Everyday i log in the Forums, i see a thread about someone asking for an account Migration to PS4...

 

It's was a limited time opportunity, i don't see the reason of making thread everyday.

 

My answer will be the same...

 

It might come back.

 

To be fair, now, PC->XBone has gone live, and I think some were expecting PS4 to happen at the same time, so circumstances have changed, and it's worth bringing up. No need to be ornery. 

 

Devstream 24:

Not what I meant, but I'm tired of debating. All you offer is rampant speculation. I'll await an official response.

[DJ_Redwire]

Not what I meant, but I'm tired of debating. All you offer is rampant speculation. I'll await an official response.

 

Don't hold your breath. This is not a topic DE likes to paint black nor white. If you're expecting a straight answer from anyone containing nothing but pure, unadulterated facts and figures - you're going to be waiting quite a long time. Sorry but the real world is messy, and inter-company politics like these even more so. You will find very few instances where companies will look their respective customers in the eye and definitively say "yes" or "no" about most things, especially matters that are often largely out of their control.

[Tsukinoki]

@AM-Bunny
How is it rampant speculation that Sony is holding it up when Sheldon said in DevStream 24:

Sheldon: It works BUT it needs approval from Sony. We're waiting.

That seems like an incredibly clear cut case that DE needs approval from Sony to allow any account migrations.  Meaning that even if a lot of people want to be able to migrate accounts right now it's up to Sony whether to allow it or not.

This isn't rampant speculation in the least, this is going off of what DE themselves have said in the past.

So in most likelyhood DE can't just say "There's going to be PC to PS4 migration again" without first consulting Sony and getting them to agree with it.  So in all honesty you would get a much straighter answer by going to Sony and asking them if they would allow Warframe to do another account migration.

[Grrbacca]

What I don't understand is that the original topic in this thread is "reopening" migration...and nothing that has been said has anything to do with that.  It is pretty simple, will we be able to migrate again in the future?  That is the only question that needs to be answered.  Everything that has been said is about the past and nothing that has been quoted has said anything about not doing it again in the future.  So unless you can provide the answer about migrating in the future as a community moderator, then it seems like this is a topic that DERebecca will need to address.  This thread is becoming pointless, and way off topic from what the original question was.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Grrbacca

[DarkLordX2]

-snip-

Yes, i understand your point, it would be fair for PS4. But keep in mind, Sony must give them the approval so they can reopen the Migration again.

I am not against the migration, not at all, but i have seem many threads asking for the reopen, and it's kinda annoying.

 

Just remember, if DE could, they would reopen the migration, but as Sheldon said:

Sheldon: It works BUT it needs approval from Sony. We're waiting.

 

 

But then again, the migration might come back in the future, but people need to be patient.

DE are working on fixing bugs, adding content, etc. Maybe the migration isn't in the High priority list, maybe yes.

Edited November 5, 2014 by DarkLordX2

[Grrbacca]

 

But then again, the migration might come back in the future, but people need to be patient.

 

I am in agreement, and that is exactly what this thread was originally about...the OP wanted to know if it would be open again in the future, I don't know how it became this though.

[optyk]

Yes, i understand your point, it would be fair for PS4.

 

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I am not against the migration, not at all, but i have seem many threads asking for the reopen, and it's kinda annoying.

 

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Cool story. The link to go back to the main forums index, where you and others who feel the same can easily avoid 'annoying' threads like this one -by not clicking on them, is in the top left of the page. What you're doing is the equivalent of opening the 'suggestion box', taking a comment thats not yours and attempting to debate it in the opposite direction because you simply can. Quite rude.

 

Thanks for stopping by and providing nothing to the thread, other than your admittance of annoyance(twice now) on this subject. WE get it.

 

Cya.

 

 

 

 

When I buy a PS4 this season and want to bring my PC account over, how is that making anyone involved lose already banked money -other than myself? Fair question no?

 

I'm failing to grasp this, and I apologize. But, we chalk it up to 'sorry we missed our chance'?

 

Seems very anti-consumer, if its that limited because of contracts, the only ones to benefit from us migrating an account is DE and Sony with no real benefits falling on to the consumer.

 

I appreciate the moderators attempt at being a proxy between DE and the players, but it has not advanced anything on the subject. An official reply from someone that actually makes final decisions (ie DE staff) is warranted. Anything else is hearsay and speculation.