TittySergal Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Long story short, if you forma a warframe (which means you've already leveled it to 30 once) all of your abilities reset. I really don't see why this was considered a good idea. A player has already invested a considerable amount of time into the warframe and now they want to invest a hard to obtain/platinum purchased item (forma) into that warframe. Abilities should remain unlocked and max ranked since you've already earned them once. Taking those abilities away and dictating when we get to use them again, makes using forma on warframes unappealing. Let's face it, with the ridiculous number of mod points that the ability change freed up, using forma on Warframes is just for convenience and tweaking. Making it difficult to do that is a pointless barrier that discourages consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Your hard work will pay off in the long run. Forma are easy to obtain, try running some T2-3 void missions, particularly defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TittySergal Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 I personally have 61 built forma and another 8 blueprints. I am a regular player. The issue is not with acquiring forma. The issue is that using forma on a warframe forces you to earn abilities you've already unlocked and become comfortable with. It's a pointless speed bump that makes the process unpleasant. This is a F2P game, it should be encouraging consumption. Not adding in a layer of 'do I really want the hassle of dealing with restricted abilities that I have no control over when they unlock or level up if I use this forma?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I personally have 61 built forma and another 8 blueprints. I am a regular player. The issue is not with acquiring forma. The issue is that using forma on a warframe forces you to earn abilities you've already unlocked and become comfortable with. It's a pointless speed bump that makes the process unpleasant. This is a F2P game, it should be encouraging consumption. Not adding in a layer of 'do I really want the hassle of dealing with restricted abilities that I have no control over when they unlock or level up if I use this forma?' The tradeoff is that you have all your abilities from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruglov Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) Nah the system is fine. Shove an aura and redirection on your newly forma'd frame; rely on your weapon for a bit. Go to any defense map, blow up some crap, put your mods back on. Everything hunky dory again. Shouldn't take more than an hour. Forma'ing frames is alot easier than forma'ing weapons. A freshly forma'd weapon can't kill anything. A freshly forma'd frame still has its weapons. (never forma both at once unless you want to annoy everyone you play with for the rest of the day) Edited November 8, 2014 by Kruglov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your_Very_Best_Friend Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I have to agree that acquiring Forma isn't the problem, its getting the dang Warframes leveled that's the tricky part. I agree that your abilities should stay maxed, while your Warframe resets to unranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostosti Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Nah the system is fine. Shove an aura and redirection on your newly forma'd frame; rely on your weapon for a bit. if you play solo, you barely get any warframe exp at all if you use your guns. It will take ages to level it up. While in the old system you put on an aura, 4th ability maxed and from unranked frame you could already get powerful skill to clear rooms and level up quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TittySergal Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 The tradeoff is that you have all your abilities from the start. The trade off is that you either invested a 20p purchase, or several hours of your time spent farming and sacrificing your 30/60 mod points to add a polarity. Under the old system you could selectively mod in a power of your rank and choosing to make the process more pleasant to your tastes. This change has effectively taken choice away from the player and arbitrarily dictates how the player will play the game for several hours, because they chose to consume (which in some cases, generates profit for DE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLocalHentai Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Aside from the unnecessary drama, I do agree to a point. Once ranked to 30 the first time, formaing should leave those skills unlocked BUT back at level one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) The trade off is that you either invested a 20p purchase, or several hours of your time spent farming and sacrificing your 30/60 mod points to add a polarity. Under the old system you could selectively mod in a power of your rank and choosing to make the process more pleasant to your tastes. This change has effectively taken choice away from the player and arbitrarily dictates how the player will play the game for several hours, because they chose to consume (which in some cases, generates profit for DE) The new system is fine, just different than we were used to. There is no problem obtaining forma or affinity. Looking at the larger picture, the whole reason for polarizing something is so that you can make it stronger and stronger. It's not going to be a walk in the park, but the end result is satisfying. Edited November 8, 2014 by -CM-JoeTheBanshee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egregiousRac Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 My problem with all of this is that when the change was announced they said that skills would level up with use and would be kept through Forma (which everybody liked the sound of), then quietly edited the announcement post a few days before the update to reflect reality (which a lot less people like). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 My problem with all of this is that when the change was announced they said that skills would level up with use and would be kept through Forma (which everybody liked the sound of), then quietly edited the announcement post a few days before the update to reflect reality (which a lot less people like). They didn't quietly edit it. It was an official announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s7n7a7k7e Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) The new system is fine, just different than we were used to. There is no problem obtaining forma or affinity. Looking at the larger picture, the whole reason for polarizing something is so that you can make it stronger and stronger. It's not going to be a walk in the park, but the end result is satisfying. Point is not that it won't be worth it in the end. The point is that the End Result is no different than it was before except that they have made it unneccessarily more of a grueling chore. My Hydroid is my favorite of my frames, but I am not going to be happy when I go to use my Tentacle Swarm and a measly few tentacles show up. Having to level up my abilities again is not going to be fun. Especially since this has to be done each time you use a Forma. I originally wanted to Forma several of my Warframes, but with the ability XP climb that needs to be done now, I probably will skip on some of them. Abilities are what make the Warframes fun to play. Edited November 8, 2014 by s7n7a7k7e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Point is not that it won't be worth it in the end. The point is that the End Result is no different than it was before except that they have made it unneccessarily more of a grueling chore. My Hydroid is my favorite of my frames, but I am not going to be happy when I go to use my Tentacle Swarm and a measly few tentacles show up. Having to level up my abilities again is not going to be fun. Especially since this has to be done each time you use a Forma. I originally wanted to Forma several of my Warframes, but with the ability XP climb that needs to be done now, I probably will skip on some of them. Abilities are what make the Warframes fun to play. How is this drastically different than the system before though? You would polarize a slot and you'd be able to throw on an aura and a mod or two. Now you just don't need to put on any abilities and can use all those points to throw on other mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Formaed a frame ? Bring your cheesiest boltor Prime and just spray everything down. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egregiousRac Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 How is this drastically different than the system before though? You would polarize a slot and you'd be able to throw on an aura and a mod or two. Now you just don't need to put on any abilities and can use all those points to throw on other mods. Before you could actually use a decent version of the ability you wanted to use to train from the start. Other than a few oddball abilities, most are much better at higher ranks. Now you don't even get your abilities for a while, let alone have them be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Before you could actually use a decent version of the ability you wanted to use to train from the start. Other than a few oddball abilities, most are much better at higher ranks. Now you don't even get your abilities for a while, let alone have them be useful. But is this level of difficulty too much? By the time you have a Forma and are ready to polarize a frame, are you not prepared for the work needed to re-level it? I believe it would be way too easy if you had all of your abilities maxed from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) [deleted because i misread the argument] Edited November 8, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaGoFast Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Masters. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) Nah the system is fine. Shove an aura and redirection on your newly forma'd frame; rely on your weapon for a bit. Go to any defense map, blow up some crap, put your mods back on. Everything hunky dory again. Shouldn't take more than an hour. Forma'ing frames is alot easier than forma'ing weapons. A freshly forma'd weapon can't kill anything. - Other players can and as a result have your weapon shoot up to 15+. Of Course you have to shoot as well. Damage buff frame should help. A freshly forma'd frame still has its weapons. - But not the extravagant XP boost as weapons taking much longer to acquire 4th power. (never forma both at once unless you want to annoy everyone you play with for the rest of the day) Face it, you either still have your 4th destructive power/damage buff or your weapon, either way it's no different other than the MASSIVE XP difference. Warframes simply take a lot longer to level and due to this change, the level up is much longer than before. Edited November 8, 2014 by Jinryusai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 There is no problem obtaining forma or affinity. Forma are easy to obtain, try running some T2-3 void missions, particularly defense. What are you reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--JoeTheBanshee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 What are you reading? T2-3 Defense rewards Forma at wave 15 and up. Stay for a while and you can get a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Warframes arent even that hard to level unless youre still early in the game Once you get to being able to run pluto and ceres its a cakewalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomStick Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) Previously, i only need to get your warframe to level 5 + 14 from aura to equip maxed redirection and maxed 4th ability. Currently, an unranked 4th ability is obtained at level 10, preventing me from farm warframe exp with 4th ability. I really hope that powers can be given out earlier or give us another way to farm warframe exp. Edited November 8, 2014 by DoomStick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Previously, i only need to get your warframe to level 5 + 14 from aura to equip maxed redirection and maxed 4th ability. Currently, an unranked 4th ability is obtained at level 10, preventing me from farm warframe exp with 4th ability. I really hope that powers can be given out earlier or give us another way to farm warframe exp. Well There is always nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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