Why Is It That Everytime I See A Post With A Valid Point Questioning Something It Gets Locked?

[BloodSage09]

FIRSTLY I AM NOT TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE

 

But why is it when players that have valid questions, their threads get silenced?

FOR EXAMPLE some recent threads questioning the "improved peformance by capping mods'' .I personally have never experienced any problems with lots of mods nor has any clan member of mine. however as an experienced player and i'm sure others aswel get the meaning behind it.  

 

Is the community not allowed to ask these things? Are we only allowed to speak of how good things are? i understand that things such as spam/flame wars and such are not allowed but actual valid questions concerning updates?

 

I can honestly say i have stopped halfway through making a post before in fear of warning points and being banned of here but i really have to ask this question

[vaugahn]

Because 99% of the time those "valid points" are just thinly veiled flamebait.

[UndeadGhostWarrior]

Sage u can't ask these things here it's not safe xD

[Imaru]

My guess (nothing more than that as I don't know what threads you're referrimg to) is that it doesn't have to do with the original poster but rather the ensuing discussion/argument that happens in the thread not complying with the forum rules.

[MihawkDulacr1]

The questions may be with good intent but its usual that the community gets split in half under that question and thus a ruckus is made with each side throwing insults and thus derailing it and or breaking forum rules or its already been answered by the devs.

 

The mods simply do their job to not let a thread de-rail from its proper path,its nothing about silencing us.

Edited November 12, 2014 by MihawkDulacr1

[TheErebus.]

We are allowed. 

If we deviate from the topic, it gets locked.

 

If we start insulting each other, it gets locked.

 

If the topic at hand has a suitable answer made by a DE official or someone who can represent them, it gets locked to prevent it from getting out of hand.

[Somedude1000]

It is likely they have been reported for violating the foru rues, or have had an uncomfortably large amount of negative responses and horrible forum-member interaction which was nonconsructive, resulting in the aforementioned lock. If you are afraif of your thread being locked, PM a moderator and ask them some questions, theyll surely answer

[Letter13]

The community is definitely allowed to ask. But a lot of those questions would probably be better suited for the patch notes thread.

 

Also, when the questioning is more flamebaiting than actual questions (i.e. "DE is punishing us" ... "We all know this was really a nerf") then it doesn't really facilitate good discussion. 

 

Feedback belongs in feedback forums, questions that can be answered by other players belong in Players Helping Players, and questions about patch notes clarification are best directed to the patch notes thread.

 

The recent locks were because the threads had been based more or less on incorrect assumptions, and those incorrect assumptions and misinterpretations were then used to incite anger and further misconceptions. No actual questions were being asked, they were sensationalist threads (read: yellow journalism/yellow press).

 

 

If you are afraif of your thread being locked, PM a moderator and ask them some questions, theyll surely answer

This too. We don't bite. Really, if you have any questions about how things are moderated, shoot us a PM and we'll be happy to reply. If users are worried if what they want to post is in violation of the rules or if their topic they want to post might be considered flamebait, etc, we're more than happy to read it over and/or offer feedback on how to make it suitable through PMs. We help forum staff by enforcing the rules, but we're also a resource for everyone if there are any questions regarding the forums, posting etiquette, so on and so forth. 

[H3dsh0t]

Because half of the topics are just making another thread that there is already a million threads open on. If people stopped making repeat threads on the same issue, they wouldn't be locked.

 

Edit: Tennoed by someone more in the know XD

Edited November 12, 2014 by H3dsh0t

[RoboDoge]

Problem is, we dont need 10000000000 threads about same issue.

[Letter13]

Problem is, we dont need 10000000000 threads about same issue.

Also this.

 

Although some of the threads could have been merged, it actually becomes detrimental to the conversations at hand when multiple threads spanning many pages get merged; things get out of order and just messy.

[Satwo]

the thing i never got is why that perticular change had ever caused such an uproar.

 

the mod thing had been around since, what, update 12? 13? it wasnt until viver that it could be tested for stability so easily and quickly and with vast amounts of tests.

 

if anything, the viver incidents showed DE how to help enhance stability on lower end PCs more effectively. it wasnt targeted at viver specifically.

 

besides, we all know that mods arent the reason people play on viver currently.

[Kestral9999]

FIRSTLY I AM NOT TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE

 

But why is it when players that have valid questions, their threads get silenced?

FOR EXAMPLE some recent threads questioning the "improved peformance by capping mods'' .I personally have never experienced any problems with lots of mods nor has any clan member of mine. however as an experienced player and i'm sure others aswel get the meaning behind it.  

 

Is the community not allowed to ask these things? Are we only allowed to speak of how good things are? i understand that things such as spam/flame wars and such are not allowed but actual valid questions concerning updates?

 

I can honestly say i have stopped halfway through making a post before in fear of warning points and being banned of here but i really have to ask this question

Welp, you have a veritable cornucopia of answers. Pick some. They're all pretty much spot on.

[Satwo]

everything comes with a grain of salt. DE always listens, but wants to keep everything peaceful.

almost every update now, some of the more 'hardcore' players that are too 'hardcore' flame about every little detail that decreases their DPS or collection processes in the slightest percentages. 

 

its encouraged to reveal key concerns, but to also do so in a dignified manor, with level headed discussion and your thoughts on how it can be improved, rather then just saying "problem!!!". DE is made of a human staff, a group of Devs that are just as creative as the majority of their player base, but in different ways. if you come up with an idea that they find very useful, they will take the suggestion into consideration. every little bit helps.

[Wiegraf]

Because there's already 5, 10 or 20 threads about it and people don't bother to realize they could add to an existing thread instead of creating the 6th, 11th or 21st one.

[Hamsta]

FIRSTLY I AM NOT TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE

 

 

Because 99% of the time those "valid points" are just thinly veiled flamebait.

 

^('-')

This.

 

I see through your disguise BloodSargasRuk09

[ThePresident777]

Because, this forum is overrun by a clique that actively exploits the forum rules to derail threads, 24/7/365.  The only way to stop them is:

1)  Never deviate from the rules, at all.

2)  Focus entirely on ideas and concepts, and nothing else. 

3)  Never ever get personal in the least.  Be entirely impersonal.

 

The slightest deviation is all they need to start the derail.  Once a topic is derailed, the mods shut it down and will not let you reboot it.  Then your voice is silenced, which, is exactly what the derailers wanted all along, so they can gaslight DE. 

 

If they lose a forum account, it doesn't matter to them, they can always start a new one and keep doing the exact same thing.  They can always rack up post counts with drive by commenting in the Extras sub-forums.  They can even anticipate getting banned and keep multiple accounts mildly active.  I know, this sounds like a weird use of one's time, but a few people are that dedicated.  It's just fun and games to them, like a role-playing game, a text based one.  Their constant activity becomes a rallying point and directing force for whatever ambient discontent is floating around.

 

If they can't derail your topic then they just go away after a few tries.  If they have a failed history of baiting you then they become conditioned to not bother with you at all, especially if you report them every time they break the rules.  But, reporting can be tricky because it calls the mods which is exactly what the derailers want.  So, you have to be perfect.  That is how favoritism works.  The in crowd can break rules.  The out crowd has to follow the rules perfectly.  It's the entire point of favoritism.  But, it's a double edged sword for the favored because favoritism is irrelevant when people are comfortable with the rules.

 

In many cases you will find your topic has little participation.  That is to be expected because the forum population is a tiny fraction of the player base and there are a lot of threads scattered across a lot of sub-forums.

 

The advantage is that your point gets heard by DE and you don't get sucked into the mess of never ending *@##$ing and derailing that forums are subject to.

Edited November 12, 2014 by ThePresident777

[WERElektro]

1)... that mod cap thing has been misunderstood by many I think

2) Most of the threads I see getting locked are about things that are already being discussed in other threads.

[Lost_Cartographer]

Generally speaking, threads get locked because they get derailed hard, passions flare up over a topic, or because it's the 54325643rd thread created on the same topic today because the thread author either can't be bothered to look around the forum for 2.3 seconds to find other similar posts, or simply MUST have their opinion heard, and the best way to do that is to be the OP, with being a responder on the first page as a secondary concern.  Page 2?  You might get heard.  Page 3 and beyond?  Only the dedicated forumites are going to see anything before posting their opinion.  There's a reason threads eventually die off to be a conversation between a small handful of people past page 2 unless the topic is really just that controversial (of course, this typically breaks down to petty insults and a lot of misinformed responses.)

 

Sadly, there's a horrifying truth in all this: sensationalist threads tend to gather more responses than reasonably level headed threads that actually follow a "observation > feedback/criticism > suggestion" flow process.  I can only assume this is because most people aren't actually interested in constructive discussions so much as just pushing their preferences in a way to suggest they're being constructive to the discussion, and right of course, even if they're not at all.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Littleman88