shut Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Warframe Changes: Excalibur’s Radial Javelin and Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies. Trinity’s Energy Vampire now only benefits teammates who can see or can be seen by the targeted victim (victims remember who they have seen for a short duration). Banish / Rift Walk will no longer stack energy regeneration when used on targets in a Cataclysm bubble. Look, I know that Viver was a nasty issue, but would it have been impossible to not hammer down on the four most-popular frames instead of directly addressing the issue itself? What you've done is reduce the already-relatively-low effectiveness of these frames in every other situation. After the "You just made Viver harder for non-abusers to play" fiasco of last week, I expected you to at least learn from that mistake. There are ways of nerfing Viver without harming the rest of the damn game, you know? Excalibur (once again) no longer has a reason to cast Javelin once it becomes unable to one-shot enemies. I tend to side with DE when it comes to balancing, but I'm sorry, I am not impressed by this update at all. Very little thought went into this change. Edited November 13, 2014 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostar Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Not a big fan of this Trinity Nerf. This is going to make playing her very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokite-Prime Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
514415 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Archwing. Railgun. All my yes. Gauss canon rules :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirukaChan Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Shield Polarize may need LoS, but Crush doesn't. Eat on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 yeah no upvote 4 u you get a pinky finger up for the nyx change :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest khk6 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 very disappointing with the frame nerfs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpyder Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I dont even care for archwing weapons since i can't use my frame's skills on those missions... plus its a bit too chaotic specially in crappy interception missions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-QueenUnicorn- Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 "Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies." i know this was needed but really???? this makes no sense because magnetic can go THROUGH objects, it would have been better if youd just say it gets weaker the father it is away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craiss Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I hope that these "fixes" are placeholders untill you guys come up with a proper solution for the issues we have, because this is gonna make a lot of people mad/ not want to play. Edit. YOU COULD HAVE TURNED VIVER INTO A HIVE NODE! LEAVE THE FRAMES ALONE! THESE CAPS SYMBOLIZE MY EMOTIONS. Edit2. Molten impact and a heatsword BP really give me a good feel of the "more lore" we were promised before. At this point i'm just gonna look for more stuff that's disappointing/uncalled for cuz i'm mad. Edit3. 3 hours in, I've reached what seems to be the current end of the thread and i just finished reading EVERYTHING. I'm hurt, angry and confused. why was this the best option to you guys? I just don't understand. I'm still going to be playing because at least my guns shoot bullets, but i really do hope you either roll this back as another solution EVEN if the rollback is temp. Fix the syndicates. Undo the nerfs. RETHINK the way problems are handled, analyzed and solved for the love of friggin CHAIKA. and lastly just friggin turn viver into a hive mission as a temporary solution. if there's anything that scares people away it's hive. you will have the TIME to think of something else because people DON'T PLAY HIVE, and you can use this time to stop releasing content. As you attempt to do this please look at the major problems as they are, not how you see them. don't act like the system is perfect because you designed it. Hire more damn people if the ideas coming from the community can't be processed properly I am saying S#&$ like this because i am at a loss for words, and at this point i'm not sure what you guys are even trying to do anymore. A large portion of us still like this game and i believe that it is your responsibillity to keep us from disliking or hating the game. Fix it. Edited November 13, 2014 by Craiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Update 15.2.0 Excalibur’s Radial Javelin and Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies. Trinity’s Energy Vampire now only benefits teammates who can see or can be seen by the targeted victim (victims remember who they have seen for a short duration). Banish / Rift Walk will no longer stack energy regeneration when used on targets in a Cataclysm bubble. I'll be playing to see how this is later, but my gut instinct is that these changes are not for the better. This is an obvious response to Viver farming, but it will just encourage players to switch to other frames with highly damaging AOE abilities and it significantly nerfs several frames that are not even particularly good outside of the Viver farm. It also does nothing to address the core issue with Viver, which is the fact that the grind for rep is absurd and unrewarding. Excalibur, I'm looking at you. Why you felt nerfing what is already a mid tier frame at best was necessary is baffling to me. The banish/rift walk nerf in particular is going to be really problematic, since Limbo doesn't have many other niches. Prior to this update, Limbo at least had value as a walking battery to keep other team mates going, similar to Trinity (who also got nerfed.) Edited November 13, 2014 by Cpl_Facehugger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 awww, why they nerf Mag? Her ability made sense to not need LoS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akira_him Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Excalibur’s Radial Javelin and Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies. Excalibur, the joke of warframe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_007 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Update 15.2.0 Warframe Changes: Excalibur’s Radial Javelin and Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies. Trinity’s Energy Vampire now only benefits teammates who can see or can be seen by the targeted victim (victims remember who they have seen for a short duration). Banish / Rift Walk will no longer stack energy regeneration when used on targets in a Cataclysm bubble. Update 15.2.0 In other words, Update 15.NoMoreViver.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I'm Sorry but LoS nerfing is a terrible method in WF. 9/10 an enemy is ducking behind cover, and shield polarize is a magnetic effect, it doesnt even make sense to make it LoS. I know, I know, space magic. Really disappointed in the lazy approach to nerfing Viver via nerfing frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacritan Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Nerfing 4 frames to the ground coz of 1 node abuse.. This is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-10no-Dark Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 What a stupid nerf. As expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xingyuasong Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 yeah no upvote 4 u you get a pinky finger up for the nyx change :^) And a middle finger up for excal changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xNegikunx Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Thanks DE, looking forward to the new Archwing weapons. I'm glad you dealt with Viver, ii was a massive problem but now that you've dealt with that you should take another look at the way we gain syndicate rep. I'm a bit sad about the Excalibur/Mag changes though, they're already relatively underused frames. While I think that Mag can probably get by, Excalibur is just getting hit hard since his other useful skill also got hit with LoS recently. Edited November 13, 2014 by xNegikunx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazeyama Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Reinforcements for the game mod I don't play YAY! A broken fix for the broken snydicates which will cause more rage! YAY! Seriously with all these options on the table this was the solution DE came up with? So if you didn't choose to exploit you are stuck grinding for months now excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySplitter Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Welp, now I have no reason to leave my current game in Viver. I'm milking every last drop of greedy milk before I update :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFOLoche Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Oh, and great, now I can't recolor my Hunter sigil anymore. Thanks DE, nerf 3 of my favorite frames over one map in one game mode and take away my ability to recolor my Hunter sigil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowkid196 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Update 15.2.0 Warframe Changes: Excalibur’s Radial Javelin and Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies. Seriously DE...? As much as I love you guys, Rebecca, Megan, Steve and co. I REALLY don't think nerfing Excalibur TWICE within less than THREE weeks was necessary. PLEASE rethink this.. this is no better than the old radial javelin. All it has is a small little stun. And if enemies aren't seen, well the stun is almost pointless. I'm sorely disappointed with this. Why change to do this again? Just make Viver a bigger map. Simple. Please rethink the Excal thing at least. Thank you for all your hard work and everything, but this small thing did get me a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlraistlx Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Warframe Changes: Excalibur’s Radial Javelin and Mag’s Shield Polarize will now check for line of sight when targeting enemies. Trinity’s Energy Vampire now only benefits teammates who can see or can be seen by the targeted victim (victims remember who they have seen for a short duration). Banish / Rift Walk will no longer stack energy regeneration when used on targets in a Cataclysm bubble. I was expecting a change to several warframes if not most when the LoS was announced. A change to ONLY the Viver squad is kind of dissapointing. Changes: Changed all entries of ‘Fire’, ‘Poison’ or ‘Freeze’ damage elements to ‘Heat’, ‘Toxin’ and ‘Cold’ respectively to remove inconsistency. How about also leaving all the damage bonuses int he same percentages, also to remove inconsistency. It's about time DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I can't wait for this Quest!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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