Final Thoughts And Apology Before Hiatus.

[FATEdPondera]

So, here you are again, reading another one of my threads. The odds are good that it'll be the last one for quite some time. Do not mistake my meaning. This isn't one of anger or ragequit or anything like that. It's one of great concern.

 

I have seen MANY MANY posts about Viver, protesting the removal of it. That it "provides a challenge". Regardless of the fact that it is providing an extreme level of reward for spamming the same ultimate over and over again, my issue was the fact that hardly anyone was doing anything else. Cerberus was bereft of players. Why bother doing T4 key farms when you can do farm for syndicate rep, and buy a 5 pack of them instantly? This became the most efficient way to gather keys.

 

Now, the frames that people were using to farm Viver, Excalibur, my beloved Mag, and Trinity, have been hit by the nerf hammer, and honestly, are worse off for it. The reaction I saw was immediate. Viver's life went on, people found new frames to farm with, nothing really changed. And they flaunted DE's efforts, further agitating our benevolent developers. Do these people really expect no consequence for doing this?

 

As for me... until this whole situation has blown over with Viver and some kind of lasting solution is found, I'm taking a bit of a break. I've already put my kubrow in stasis, and packed up all my things. Again, this isn't rage quit. This is me taking myself out of the forum game. I've already done enough damage.

 

2) Make powers no longer go through walls. Now this does kind of make sense. Look at Mag's crush. She has to wrap an enemy in magnetism, magnetize their bones, and attract them toward each other for damage to occur. This isn't' a cudgel. It's a scalpel. So why does it work on enemies she can't see? Excalibur's radial javelin is more of a spray and pray weapon, but the environment SHOULD stop it.

This is a really constructive and well thought out post, thanks for contributing.

 

 

I was the one who started this idea. I placed several concepts and possible solutions in another thread, but this was the one DE read. I tried to go back and strike it through, write it off as a bad idea, but damage done. I did this to you.

 

Sorry, everyone.

[BelugaNinja]

If they implemented it, they can easily remove it. It's in no way your fault. DE was the one who made the mistake. As are we, for supporting the idea. You don't need to apologise. No one's to blame.

[TheErebus.]

Dude, this isn't your fault. They most likely had already planned this out, and your idea just happened to bump into with what they were already planning.

[Kthal]

Don't feel guilty, a knee-jerk was imminent, and at least your suggestions were far better than many that people have suggested. It is a shame that DE chose to go with what was (possibly coincidentally) the weakest of your ideas, but it was ultimately their decision.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Kthal

[AM-Bunny]

I'm confused... why are you taking a break?

 

DE did what you suggested, so surely you can't be terribly unhappy with the change. Is it just the whining you can't stand? You know, in a week it'll all be forgotten anyway.

 

All the same, take care, and be sure to check for new events/updates so you don't miss out while you're gone~!

[izzatuw]

>.> you mother....

Because Mag's powers is magnetic, which is her whole surrounding. Even look at Mag's description, she's a master of manipulation so if a wall stops her she's not really a master of surroundings. And magnetic force doesn't need LOS for it to work

But no not mad at you

Edited November 13, 2014 by izzatuw

[Brozime]

So, here you are again, reading another one of my threads. The odds are good that it'll be the last one for quite some time. Do not mistake my meaning. This isn't one of anger or ragequit or anything like that. It's one of great concern.

 

I have seen MANY MANY posts about Viver, protesting the removal of it. That it "provides a challenge". Regardless of the fact that it is providing an extreme level of reward for spamming the same ultimate over and over again, my issue was the fact that hardly anyone was doing anything else. Cerberus was bereft of players. Why bother doing T4 key farms when you can do farm for syndicate rep, and buy a 5 pack of them instantly? This became the most efficient way to gather keys.

 

Now, the frames that people were using to farm Viver, Excalibur, my beloved Mag, and Trinity, have been hit by the nerf hammer, and honestly, are worse off for it. The reaction I saw was immediate. Viver's life went on, people found new frames to farm with, nothing really changed. And they flaunted DE's efforts, further agitating our benevolent developers. Do these people really expect no consequence for doing this?

 

As for me... until this whole situation has blown over with Viver and some kind of lasting solution is found, I'm taking a bit of a break. I've already put my kubrow in stasis, and packed up all my things. Again, this isn't rage quit. This is me taking myself out of the forum game. I've already done enough damage.

 

 

 

I was the one who started this idea. I placed several concepts and possible solutions in another thread, but this was the one DE read. I tried to go back and strike it through, write it off as a bad idea, but damage done. I did this to you.

 

Sorry, everyone.

Suggesting a bad solution doesn't make you at fault they had the collective idea to take the bad solution and implement it

[bejuizb]

Nah, not your fault.

 

I'll feel stupid to blame ONE person for this. Right now the forums are a proverbial sh!tstorm, just like the whole Brakk fiasco from last year. Things will die down, melodrama will vanish and things will go back to normal. Mind you, I'm not saying "jolly good work with wrecking three frames for the sake of logic and balance", but rather the fact that we don't have as much of a push in developmental decisions as people think we have. If our thoughts align with the devs, things go on from there. But the devs do have their own vision for gameplay mechanics and lore and other aspects of the game, and take it however you will, no one likes to be told to do things. We just have to hunker down and wait things out. Maybe the devs might get bored of seeing the constant thread spam on the forums and it might instigate some form of action. Logic =/= fun in all situations and this line of sight thing is one such example. 

 

Whatever the case, I wish you a good farewell. Hope to see you soon, wrecking face in the battlefield!

[SunalJaswal]

They could've just removed interception from that node instead of nerfing everything!

[Alphafox]

Even if your suggestion was bad(Imo) You are not responsible for the things DE does..

[BelugaNinja]

Even if your suggestion was bad(Imo) You are not responsible for the things DE does..

 

And DE isn't responsible for repercussions for wanting the best for Warframe.

[TheErebus.]

And DE isn't responsible for repercussions for wanting the best for Warframe.

They are. If it's something they've done in the game but it backfires, it is their fault.

[StinkyPygmy]

Its not your fault OP.

DE likely had stuff in the works already.

 

That being said its not exactly logical for SP and EV to need LOS but eh thats just my two cents.

In anycase its not likely that the devs see one threads ideas and instantly run with it. This was probably already coming in one form or another.

I'm not even entirely convinced its related to viver.

In any case, while I don't agree with the nerf and I'm hoping it gets reverted or a skills 2.0 rolls out for all frames with tweaks etc, I'm not exactly freaking out either.

 

Don't worry about it OP.

The forums just need some chill.

Edited November 13, 2014 by StinkyPygmy

[Dseaver]

I was the one who started this idea.

 

Sorry, everyone.

I don't think you were the one who gave them the idea, it looked like they were waiting for someone to make the "powers not going through wall" suggestion, so that they can say that they listened to the community to make the power changes.

 

I read your post the other night and it simply felt like you wanted Warframe to improve.

 

It was very noble of you make this thread. You have my respect and know that you don't really need to apologize.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Dseaver

[MisterUltimate]

No worries for the OP. It is definitely not your fault. It's DE's fault for not investigating the issue for more than a couple of days before deciding on a course of action. Knee jerk solutions are rarely, if ever, effective.

And considering that Viver still gives massive rewards, I'd say that this is not one of those exceptional rare occations.

[Dead_Rabbits]

Magnetism can freely move between dimensions, but apparently walls are special and ignore the current model of physics so it's ok.

Also gravity.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Dead_Rabbits

[Elvang]

I'm confused... why are you taking a break?

 

DE did what you suggested, so surely you can't be terribly unhappy with the change. Is it just the whining you can't stand? You know, in a week it'll all be forgotten anyway.

 

All the same, take care, and be sure to check for new events/updates so you don't miss out while you're gone~!

After the thread got a chance for discussion (DE chose to respond to it before a single post had been made), he changed his mind about it after several counterpoints were brought up, as it didn't target the issue.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Elvang

[BelugaNinja]

They are. If it's something they've done in the game but it backfires, it is their fault.

 

And good intentions are a sin. 

[--Q--NoeleVeerod]

I read your post the other night and it simply felt like you wanted Warframe to improve.

 

I did the same thing, and quite frankly @OP it's not necessary for you to feel "guilty" as there probably were hundreds of other people thinking about the same "solution", and as many mentioned DE had this in mind already.

If you want to take a break, you will have your reasons, and no one is stopping you. Until next time.

[Elvang]

And good intentions are a sin. 

Good intentions or no, that doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their actions. The extent of that responsibility can be debated, but they are directly responsible for any backlash to the situation by way of handling it.

[PsiWarp]

From the moment they changed Radial Blind, it was pretty evident the LOS trend would continue to spread across the full spectrum of Warframe powers with similar properties.

 

Your suggestion merely reminded them to take things step-by-step, rather than slap the changes on all at once.

[DrMagoo111]

To be fair, the example as you provided it does make sense.  That specific Mag power should require line of sight, given how it is used.  Likewise, Radial Jav should not go through walls.

However, if I understand the LoS change correctly (and I may be ignorant, so correct me if I am), part of the Radial issue is that Excalibur must now look at his target.  When I read radial, I tend to think of a more circular pattern outward from a point than a cone style pattern.

I think an easy way to fix the nerfs is to make three families of abilities.

1) LOS cone -> things like Mag's crush.  If a skill makes sense to be more finely targeted, it should be.

2) Room Radial -> things like Radial Jav.  These skills should have a true 360 radial effect around the origin point (the frame), but be rebuffed by walls. 

3) Distance Radial -> things like Energy Well, Shield Polarize.  The same room requirements do not quite make sense for skills that do not require a direct physical contact at any point.

I may actually expand on this and put a post up in the Abilities discussion area.  I did want to briefly place it here for the OP's sake, though, to show that there would have been a way to interpret that suggestion that made more sense and was less harmful.

[Hypernaut1]

wow, sensitive. This is just a forum, get over yourself. 

[Sir_Alex_Traffo]

You suggested several options, DE just took the easiest to implement without changing a whole Syndicate system that is clearly not working.

 

While I admit that once reading your old topic I felt shiver down my spine, I hoped DE would have taken a rework/fix seriously, which they clearly didn't.

 

Excalibur just reworked and now nerfed? Come on, don't let me talk about it.

Edited November 13, 2014 by siralextraffo

[Seraphyx]

I was the one who started this idea. I placed several concepts and possible solutions in another thread, but this was the one DE read. I tried to go back and strike it through, write it off as a bad idea, but damage done. I did this to you.

 

Sorry, everyone.

Pfft, don't even worry about it... You did what any good player would do: give constructive feedback and provide ideas rather than just whining and complaining.

 

They chose to use the idea you provided, you did not force them. They also thought it was a good idea and decided to go along with it.

 

With that said I hope you do come back as I'm sure they'll fix things. No need to try and take all the blame ;]

Edited November 13, 2014 by Seraphyx