Oberonight Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Just....Just why? Shocking Touch and North Wind gives less damage for the same cost but also has higher conclave? WHY? Edited January 13, 2015 by Oberonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 A holdout from damage 1.0 that has not been changed over yet for god knows what reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogManDan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 you forgot North Wind with only 60% freeze damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WiiConquered Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just....Just why? Shocking Touch gives less damage for the same cost but also has higher conclave? WHY? Because mods don't ever get looked at. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberonight Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 you forgot North Wind with only 60% freeze damage Thanks I'll add that No1 cares about D polarities...oh look! Here comes Primed North Wind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skepsis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Also you have to realize that conclave is for babies who wanted to PVP in Warframe. Also Electric gives a stun, so that's probably why it has a higher conclave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaniux Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I've been wondering the same for a LONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Also you have to realize that conclave is for babies who wanted to PVP in Warframe. Also Electric gives a stun, so that's probably why it has a higher conclave. Electric doesnt stun in pvp tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--FORMA-- Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Also you have to realize that conclave is for babies who wanted to PVP in Warframe. That was not best way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420degreequicksopeswag Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Because mods don't ever get looked at. Ever. Lets not be so pessimistic Edit: archwing elemental mods are balanced at least Well, except polar magazine. D polarity Edited January 13, 2015 by 420degreequicksopeswag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WiiConquered Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Lets not be so pessimistic Edit: archwing elemental mods are balanced at least Well, except polar magazine. D polarity Those are new. No old mods that have outlived their purpose get rebalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telzen Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just....Just why? Shocking Touch and North Wind gives less damage for the same cost but also has higher conclave? WHY? Because DE. There are a lot of these problems in the game. Look at the god awful physical damage mods(not the event ones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasumi- Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 That was not best way to put it. Flame Repellent won't cut it. Go big or go home, am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--MZez-- Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 JUST WOOOOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skepsis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Flame Repellent won't cut it. Go big or go home, am I right? This is magic. What I was more aiming for was the fact that PVP In Warframe is so awkward and displaced that it was thrown together to appease those who kept complaining. When it serves no purpose and the game isn't built, nor balanced around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasumi- Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This is magic. What I was more aiming for was the fact that PVP In Warframe is so awkward and displaced that it was thrown together to appease those who kept complaining. When it serves no purpose and the game isn't built, nor balanced around it. Thank you. Took me forever to figure out how GIMP worked so I could make it, using a mod template provided by another player. Yeah. PvP is this game is horrendous. I've only played Dark Sector Conflicts maybe 4 times in the 1400-ish hours I have in the game, and that was only because a friend was asking me to and the battle pay was insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420degreequicksopeswag Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Those are new. No old mods that have outlived their purpose get rebalanced. I think its sad to say this... But i don't think they ever will. DE will never go back. Only forward. Status mods too weak? Release dual stat mods from events. Nekros is broken? Release despoil and soul survivor. Ember is broken? Release fire fright. Shotgun mods too weak? Primed ravage, point blank. This could go on for days, but here is my point DE will never go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skepsis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Thank you. Took me forever to figure out how GIMP worked so I could make it, using a mod template provided by another player. Yeah. PvP is this game is horrendous. I've only played Dark Sector Conflicts maybe 4 times in the 1400-ish hours I have in the game, and that was only because a friend was asking me to and the battle pay was insane. Key word = Was. Battlepay and the control of the relays + Taxes is laughable. But that won't derail the thread though, The fact of the matter really is, conclave is pointless outside of a tactical Alert, even then you can just take off your sentinel, and a few weapons and be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM-Bunny Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 A holdout from damage 1.0 that has not been changed over yet for god knows what reason. Pretty embarrassing if you think about it. I mean, it would literally take replacing one number in the code. Things like this, and not adding in stamina mods for Archwing upon removal of Warframe-mod-transference and other such traces serve as proof that the devs barely consider the ramifications of their changes, and continue to pay no attention to them a year later. Year of quality indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 What I was more aiming for was the fact that PVP In Warframe is so awkward and displaced that it was thrown together to appease those who kept complaining. When it serves no purpose and the game isn't built, nor balanced around it. Except that's entirely false, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skepsis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Except that's entirely false, so... If it's false, then how so? \ Go back to the first couple of livestreams where DE said "hey, this isn't a game built for PVP, But here's conclave so you can get your fix." This game isn't built and balanced around a PVP environment like a traditional MMO, This is a team based third person shooter. Don't even know why I'm arguing a point when you give so little to go on. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 If it's false, then how so? \ Go back to the first couple of livestreams where DE said "hey, this isn't a game built for PVP, But here's conclave so you can get your fix." This game isn't built and balanced around a PVP environment like a traditional MMO, This is a team based third person shooter. Don't even know why I'm arguing a point when you give so little to go on. lol Except they never said anything of the sort, and Steve said they were planning on expanding into PvP like a month after the game released. You can go find the interviews if you'd like, and if you look back through the devstreams you will not see anything like what you mentioned. Balancing for PvP is just a matter of changing some values, like the mods in the OP. A game doesn't have to be "built" for PvP from the ground up. Anyways, I digress. This is not the thread for this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WiiConquered Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Pretty embarrassing if you think about it. I mean, it would literally take replacing one number in the code. Things like this, and not adding in stamina mods for Archwing upon removal of Warframe-mod-transference and other such traces serve as proof that the devs barely consider the ramifications of their changes, and continue to pay no attention to them a year later. Year of quality indeed. I sincerely wonder if the guys in charge of balance--if there are any--have ever played the game. If they have, what do they think when they see Sure Shot? "Man, I really need this additional 5% status chance on my build." Or when they use Warm Coat, "Forecasts predict a snowstorm coming down around Mars today. Good thing this 9% (or whatever stupid number it is) resistance I don't know if I'll need will help me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vadrigos Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Except that's entirely false, so... Nope, pretty sure it's true. The PVP in this game is an abomination that was never meant to be. I tried it all of once and that was all that was needed to know that it was there for people who wouldn't shut up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420degreequicksopeswag Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 PVP is life Doesn't matter if its broken It just needs to be fun This video proves PVP IS LIFE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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