TheBrsrkr Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 And I say you should be able to, even if it doesn't come with the stat change.Scindo Prime is the ultimate form of the Scindo. According to DE, it's perfect like that, and I shouldn't have to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezzik Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Scindo Prime is the ultimate form of the Scindo. According to DE, it's perfect like that, and I shouldn't have to change it. Does that include modding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrsrkr Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Does that include modding?How did you come to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LIGHTNINGCOMBAT Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 No. You can't have an exclusive like Excal Prime, and then buff it too. That's simply not fair to non-founders. Wah wah wah! I'm a little sad because I don't have this and you do! Well guess what: They don't care! I would love to see a buff for Excal Prime, he deserves it, after all, he is a Prime. I don't even have him! I'm on freaking PS4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LIGHTNINGCOMBAT Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 judging by all the blue it could be prisma, the color scheme matches at least it probably just serves the purpose of justify a warframe with pieces of corpus tech still hanging, i'd prefer if they used it for another frame and just made a valkyr prime without corpus bits that at least looks something like valkyr It's a skin, like the proto-skin for excal and the nemesis skin for Nyx. They already said that! No more speculation about something that is confirmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Hence why I want everything to become skins for base items. That cuts out all the power creep we've been having from the endless number of variants cropping up. That's a terrible idea that would kill virtually all progression mechanics in the game. Let's be honest, who's going to farm for days to weeks to months (depending on RNG) for the a mere skin? Not many people, that's who. Problem is, DE makes bank off of plat sales, plat which then goes into the trade economy. So if you disincentivize buying stuff through trade chat by making it worthless cosmetics, you harm DE's bottom line by reducing plat sales. And of course there's prime access. I'm a huge fan of Nova Prime and Soma Prime, enough that I bought the biggest one. But if they were just skins? I'd just farm them eventually because who cares, cosmetics don't provide me anything of value beyond e-peen. In short, no, "power creep" is not a thing and you should feel bad for suggesting this as a solution to the "problem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowen231 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How is it pay to win when you can't buy it anymore? Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't pay to win where a player purchases items with real world money in order to excel in any and all content, and said items are always available? Changing Excal Prime wouldn't give any of the Founders the ability to excel at any and all content and the 'frame isn't available to purchase anymore. How is pay to win? Because they used money to get it, and it would be better (more so than now anyway) than the normal excal which is the only frame non founders have. Let's say that starting in 2 hours, with no warning, potatoes become available through real money only for the next 3 months, they are no longer released via random node, and after said 3 months they stop being released all together. By your logic, it isn't pay to win because we were able to buy them before. And no matter what, it would be pay to win if excal prime gets a buff without an equal buff to the regular excal, or unless there is another special version of excal with the same stats as the buffed excal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Because they used money to get it, and it would be better (more so than now anyway) than the normal excal which is the only frame non founders have. Let's say that starting in 2 hours, with no warning, potatoes become available through real money only for the next 3 months, they are no longer released via random node, and after said 3 months they stop being released all together. By your logic, it isn't pay to win because we were able to buy them before. And no matter what, it would be pay to win if excal prime gets a buff without an equal buff to the regular excal, or unless there is another special version of excal with the same stats as the buffed excal. I'm sorry but I still don't see how putting Excal to where is should as pay to win, power creep or "unfair." He's a Prime, Primes get passive buffs, he should have a Prime passive. And your analogy, no it's still not pay to win. Potatoes help but are not required nor do they make you top tier, above everyone else. That's the thing to makes pay to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zryel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Guys,GUYS, chill out, please! Seriously speaking we should no worry... Excal will get an upgrade and most certainly they will buff up the prime one...DE did say and show the new changes... I love this dispute but we should wait until that happen and see...don't u think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bl4ckhunter Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) It's a skin, like the proto-skin for excal and the nemesis skin for Nyx. They already said that! No more speculation about something that is confirmed! how is that even relevant? i was commenting on the art style, i never said it would be another valkyr with different stats and i said that it looks too good to waste it on a reskin. Guys,GUYS, chill out, please! Seriously speaking we should no worry... Excal will get an upgrade and most certainly they will buff up the prime one...DE did say and show the new changes... I love this dispute but we should wait until that happen and see...don't u think? the main point of the discussion is to debate about excal prime getting STAT buffs ala volt prime,there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever about excal prime being subject to upcoming ability reworks Edited June 8, 2015 by bl4ckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Because they used money to get it, and it would be better (more so than now anyway) than the normal excal which is the only frame non founders have. Let's say that starting in 2 hours, with no warning, potatoes become available through real money only for the next 3 months, they are no longer released via random node, and after said 3 months they stop being released all together. By your logic, it isn't pay to win because we were able to buy them before. And no matter what, it would be pay to win if excal prime gets a buff without an equal buff to the regular excal, or unless there is another special version of excal with the same stats as the buffed excal. so by your definition, primed chamber should cease to exist. although it was a reward for an event, players can use real money to buy it off others. so P2W. take out all the primed chambers in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyeless Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 To use that logic, then, Excalibur Prime shouldn't be able to use the Proto-Excalibur skin. The hoops people jump through just to reason out how things they can't have deserve to be soiled. All other Prime Frames get to use their non-Primed counterpart's skins. Not only is your insistence on Primes being skins going to make the idea of obtaining them redundant, but in this instance it's hypocritical. I for one think it's stupid that Primed weapons can't use base weapon skins when it comes down to simply swapping the models. The Scindo Prime used to be able to use it's model swapping skins (Dagger Axe / Manticore) but it was removed because reasons. But it's not about that. This entire thread is essentially entitled brats whining over someone owning something they can't and wanting to soil it for the people that DO have it. Just because it's a video game doesn't mean real world logic and ideals don't apply, that doesn't mean you all shouldn't man up, act like adults, and get over it. People are going to have things you do not, do you ask the president to piss in their cornflakes because they have a nicer car than you? Should Porsche's get wooden tires because you don't own one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I for one think it's stupid that Primed weapons can't use base weapon skins when it comes down to simply swapping the models. The Scindo Prime used to be able to use it's model swapping skins (Dagger Axe / Manticore) but it was removed because reasons. But it's not about that. unless it was changed since i last checked, scindo prime isn't allowed to use the skins cause they give stat boosts. vanilla scindo is fine since it's not as good as the prime but with the added stats it seems like a bit too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naqel Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 No. Unless Excalibut Prime becomes commonly available, it should not offer any advantages over the regular one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 No. Unless Excalibut Prime becomes commonly available, it should not offer any advantages over the regular one. Let's remove all prime advantages then. make primes solely skins so everybody wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Let's remove all prime advantages then. make primes solely skins so everybody wins Let's take this even further - Get rid of all Primes. No one wins and everyone is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naqel Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Let's remove all prime advantages then. make primes solely skins so everybody wins That's actually a great idea from a balance perspective. Primes should be about achievement, not grinding away dozens of hours so your nyx has 50 more armor, or your rhino runs faster. That's the kind of benefits Mods are supposed to provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Let's take this even further - Get rid of all Primes. No one wins and everyone is happy. even FURTHER! get rid of everything related to warframe and make this another COD clone :D no more worry about mastery, founders/non founders, nothing just mindless garbage mongrels think is a game That's actually a great idea from a balance perspective. Primes should be about achievement, not grinding away dozens of hours so your nyx has 50 more armor, or your rhino runs faster. That's the kind of benefits Mods are supposed to provide. then again without stat buffs, nobody would bother with the grind at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 That's actually a great idea from a balance perspective. Primes should be about achievement, not grinding away dozens of hours so your nyx has 50 more armor, or your rhino runs faster. That's the kind of benefits Mods are supposed to provide. Eh. The lore supports the buffs though. The Primes were supposed to be the first and the best, everything else is a copy. And like copies, it's not quite as good as the original, so having a little less armor and being a little slower makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM-Bunny Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Eh. The lore supports the buffs though. The Primes were supposed to be the first and the best, everything else is a copy. And like copies, it's not quite as good as the original, so having a little less armor and being a little slower makes sense. I feel like the more of anything that's produced, the more refined the technique is. Problems that were encountered before can be predicted and the process as a whole can be streamlined and improved. Contrary to what Gilgamesh might tell you, copies are probably more likely to be superior, assuming the manufacturers didn't straight up get lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naqel Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Eh. The lore supports the buffs though. The Primes were supposed to be the first and the best, everything else is a copy. And like copies, it's not quite as good as the original, so having a little less armor and being a little slower makes sense. Lore =/= Gameplay. If lore translated to gameplay, Corpus weapons would be on par with primes, because Corpus have the technology to do that. We'd also never be able to encounter any advanced enemy types, because as far as lore goes, we thwarted any attempts at their development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrsrkr Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Lore =/= Gameplay. If lore translated to gameplay, Corpus weapons would be on par with primes, because Corpus have the technology to do that. We'd also never be able to encounter any advanced enemy types, because as far as lore goes, we thwarted any attempts at their development. Those are two very contradictory statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Lore =/= Gameplay. If lore translated to gameplay, Corpus weapons would be on par with primes, because Corpus have the technology to do that. We'd also never be able to encounter any advanced enemy types, because as far as lore goes, we thwarted any attempts at their development. Lore does not equal gameplay, you are correct. Lore does support game mechanics however. And I agree, the Corpus would have much better weaponry, but I never said our lore was finished or made sense, just that the lore we have now supports the buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyWaffles Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Why not Mag Prime? Her stats are pretty much the same with the normal Mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Why not Mag Prime? Her stats are pretty much the same with the normal Mag. She and Frost have been mentioned a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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