MagPrime Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I dont get why you are talking about these guys who WANTS Excal Prime again and again... That isnt the topic in this case. It will solve your problems; Excal gets a buff and will still be exclusive as F***, while the normal players can also play a better Excal - just with a lesser shiny look. Because it wont fix the problem of none-Founders and completionists wanting Excal Prime. He'll always be that one 'frame they can't get and it'll drive them bonkers. Adding a new Excal will just create two more factions that will yell, the ones that are glad he came out and demand the same for the others and the ones that demand his removal because it falls into the same category of reskinning weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmoone1 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Imagine if I, by myself, Had Trinity prime and nobody could get it because I'm special and won some event or bought the frame during a tiny window that you weren't online for or somethin'. Except the reality of the situation was that the window for the founder package was on for practically a year. Hell, I knew about the founder package months in advance and decided not to grab until I could afford it in the final month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsches Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Lol at all of this. My serious opinion on this? Excally Prime should get a buff. Founders kickstarted this game and then get pooped on by the people that enjoy the game after it got on its feet, not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Lol at all of this. My serious opinion on this? Excally Prime should get a buff. Founders kickstarted this game and then get pooped on by the people that enjoy the game after it got on its feet, not cool. I agree he should get the buff, he's still played by hundreds of players and deserves to be updated with the rest of the Primes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster-T Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Because it wont fix the problem of none-Founders and completionists wanting Excal Prime. He'll always be that one 'frame they can't get and it'll drive them bonkers. Adding a new Excal will just create two more factions that will yell, the ones that are glad he came out and demand the same for the others and the ones that demand his removal because it falls into the same category of reskinning weapons. Yeah, you get it. Than why change Excal Prime at all? The reason why other Primes are better version is that they are available for everyone - thats simply not the case for Excal Prime - so why change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yeah, you get it. Than why change Excal Prime at all? The reason why other Primes are better version is that they are available for everyone - thats simply not the case for Excal Prime - so why change? No, the reason Primes are better is because they were the "first" version of that 'frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnoverman Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 <-------- Has Excalibro Prime I disagree completely. Excalibro Prime has no need to have any kind of buff or anything else better than regular Excalibro. Completely impossible to obtain bonuses are not okay. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraetus Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yeah, you get it. Than why change Excal Prime at all? The reason why other Primes are better version is that they are available for everyone - thats simply not the case for Excal Prime - so why change? Because the founders deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster-T Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 No, the reason Primes are better is because they were the "first" version of that 'frame. Ah, now you are arguing with lore? Who is saying that the original Excal is better than the rebuild one? Stop that please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster-T Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Because the founders deserve it. They deserve visual goodies - yes. But no powercreep. Edited January 23, 2015 by Monster-T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Ah, now you are arguing with lore? Who is saying that the original Excal is better than the rebuild one? Stop that please. Look up the definition of the word Prime. Look at all of the other Primes in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Yeah, you get it. Than why change Excal Prime at all? The reason why other Primes are better version is that they are available for everyone - thats simply not the case for Excal Prime - so why change? No, the reason why the Primes are better are because they were the first, the Alphas, the best. Edited January 23, 2015 by AlphaHorseman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster-T Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Look up the definition of the word Prime. Look at all of the other Primes in game. Yeah - when I look at the other primed frames out there I see a lot of better versions. But you know what? They arnt exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Yeah - when I look at the other primed frames out there I see a lot of better versions. But you know what? They arnt exclusive. Exclusivity doesn't mean it isn't a Prime. The Founders LAID DOWN THEIR SUPPORT to ensure that we ALL could play this game. Excal Prime is a Prime WarFrame. Following Lore and simple logic, he deserves to be on par with other Prime Frames. Edited January 24, 2015 by AlphaHorseman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yeah - when I look at the other primed frames out there I see a lot of better versions. But you know what? They arnt exclusive. So? It's a change that doesn't affect you in the slightest and is a nod at the people that helped found this game that you're enjoying. I'm not saying we should bend over and kiss the feet of every Founder that walks by, but we shouldn't be shafting them on upgrades just because you and I can't enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster-T Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 So? It's a change that doesn't affect you in the slightest and is a nod at the people that helped found this game that you're enjoying. I'm not saying we should bend over and kiss the feet of every Founder that walks by, but we shouldn't be shafting them on upgrades just because you and I can't enjoy them. That buff would affect me - theoratically; if I start playing Excal I dont want to play a weaker version with - like I already said a thousand times - no chance of getting the better one. Is that really so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 That buff would affect me - theoratically; if I start playing Excal I dont want to play a weaker version with - like I already said a thousand times - no chance of getting the better one. Is that really so hard to understand? What I'm understanding is that you want to hold back improvements on a 'frame, just because you can't have it. By your "theoretical" argument, are you going to ask DE to remove the stats boosts from the event weapons you don't have, just because you like the regular version but can't get the dex/vandel/wraith version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnoverman Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) So? It's a change that doesn't affect you in the slightest and is a nod at the people that helped found this game that you're enjoying. I'm not saying we should bend over and kiss the feet of every Founder that walks by, but we shouldn't be shafting them on upgrades just because you and I can't enjoy them. <--- Still a founder Just want to point this out: we don't feel shafted in the slightest. There's no reason that Excalibro Prime needs to get some kind of "haha, we hate you, everyone else" buff. Stop trying to make an issue out of nothing. Edited January 24, 2015 by Turnoverman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyeless Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What I'm understanding is that you want to hold back improvements on a 'frame, just because you can't have it. By your "theoretical" argument, are you going to ask DE to remove the stats boosts from the event weapons you don't have, just because you like the regular version but can't get the dex/vandel/wraith version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster-T Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) What I'm understanding is that you want to hold back improvements on a 'frame, just because you can't have it. By your "theoretical" argument, are you going to ask DE to remove the stats boosts from the event weapons you don't have, just because you like the regular version but can't get the dex/vandel/wraith version? I dont want to tell it "improvements"... if you think just a second about all other newer players. I've no problem with visual-exclusivity at all - just with exclusive powercreeps, because I think that is in long terms an unhealthy way for that game. And yes, I've generally a problem with similar cases (remember the Arcane-Helm-Dilemma). But Excal Prime is something special - because thats the only exclusive where DE has confirmed it will never be available again. All other exclusives have at least a small chance of beeing reintroduced. @Turnoverman: Im not trying to create a problem - I try to help for solving one (dont sure if you mean me). Edited January 24, 2015 by Monster-T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyeless Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) <--- Still a founder Just want to point this out: we don't feel shafted in the slightest. There's no reason that Excalibro Prime needs to get some kind of "haha, we hate you, everyone else" buff. Stop trying to make an issue out of nothing. How is giving him a passive to go with every other Prime for the sake of consistency even close to that? Most everyone on here fighting against this and dragging this thread in pointless circles are people whining and being fickle because they weren't around to contribute to Warframe when the Founders program was available. Making nothing out of something because they just can't wrap it around their heads that someone's going to have something they can't and trying to claw it away from them in any way they can. Edited January 24, 2015 by Hastur609 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) <--- Still a founder Just want to point this out: we don't feel shafted in the slightest. There's no reason that Excalibro Prime needs to get some kind of "haha, we hate you, everyone else" buff. Stop trying to make an issue out of nothing. Yeah, the 10+ Founders in the first 4 pages disagree with you, as well as the Founder that started the thread. And your status as Founder was not in question. Edited January 24, 2015 by Noamuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 DE's marketing department would be my first answer. DE in general for not having an attractive game at the time, or someone's parents who didn't give birth to them early enough for them to be old enough play warframe two years ago, or perhaps the various factors (war, economy crash,personal loss, ilness or injury) during that period and you don't always have time or the resources to play online-video games during a period of poverty. Do I need more reasons why this quote is foolish? My point is that, none of these things makes it "unfair" for you not to have Excalibur Prime. None of these things makes it "unfair" for DE to bring Excalibur Prime up-to-par stat-wise with the other Prime Warframes. It doesn't matter whether you were old enough then, or whether you heard about Warframe then, or whether it wasn't available on your platform then. Non-Founders still weren't the ones who put a large amount of money (money that could've bought a number of high-quality, AAA games) into this game in its infancy. That's my point. I personally am all for Excalibur Prime getting re-released, but Founders will have to be reimbursed in some form if it is re-released because, again, it's a legal issue. Based on how DE sold the Founders Program, they would have to pay back the Founders. But in no way is it unfair to non-Founders to rework Excalibur Prime, whether visually or stat-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Men... did you have even understand what I've tryed to say? Where is your problem with my idea of buffing Excal Prime but in exchange make an statwise equal Excal (not visually equal - maybe a Dragon Excal) available for those players, who hadnt the chance of buying him? I dont get it why you're dont can accept a win-win situation... My issue isn't with some new version of Excalibur being released. It's with your saying that it'd be "unfair" if they didn't. And I've just explained why it wouldn't be unfair. That's all. It's only fair to the Founders that Excalibur Prime not be forgotten when it is in need of a slight stat buff, and again, the only thing that makes sense, imo, is a stamina buff, since Excalibur Prime, and Excalibur, are melee-based frames. Honestly, I'd say that both should receive a stamina buff, and then Excalibur Prime should receive a larger buff so that the Prime version does have one stat that is better than the non-Prime version. Edited January 24, 2015 by AntoineFlemming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerHappyWhiteGuy Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I think Excalibur Prime should have get a buff. Seriously why do so many people not want him to have a buff. Its not like it will be that big of a change where Excalibur Prime would immediately become the strongest frame making it pointless to play any other frame. Also why cant founders have 1 item that is a little better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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